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  • MathTechScienceTurd
    Confirmed Enemy of God
    • Mar 2014
    • 44
    #1

    Mathematics and God? Musings from a junkie.

    I would just like to say that I am not starting this thread to upset anyone. If you want to argue against this, you are free to do so. I have been mistaken as "Unsaved trash of prefers math over Jesus." I have never claimed that mathematics is above the Lord. Here is my claim (and I would like opinions):

    Mathematics is extremely elegant and is the "code" of the universe. We are all bound by it. When God created the universe, wouldn't he have had the desire for it to be as beautiful and elegant as possible? Maybe God wrote the universe in the language of mathematics.

    Here's the thing: Mathematics is separate from all other sciences. Just because you are extremely knowledgable in this field does not mean you are bound to believe any other scientific theories. The greatest mathematicians have said that the more they unravel in math, the stronger their faith becomes because of how elegant it is.
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    • Pim Pendergast
      PHD - Theophysicist
      Saving The Lost With The Truth Of Applied Theoscience
      True Christian™
      • Jun 2012
      • 3103
      #2
      Re: Mathematics and God?

      Welcome, friend. First we'd like to know where you're at spiritually. Do you believe in God? Do you go to church? Have you read the Bible? Please introduce yourself to us properly.

      Your opinions about math have no basis in Scripture; therefore I give them no credence. God created the universe through the power of His Word. He spoke, and things popped into existence (Genesis 1). He has revealed Himself to us through the Bible, not through math.

      Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
      sigpicMt 21:42, 44 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes . . . ? And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

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        • MathTechScienceTurd
          Confirmed Enemy of God
          • Mar 2014
          • 44
          #3
          Re: Mathematics and God?

          Yes and that brings me back to taking things literally. Maybe the word of God isn't just words. God is more than man, then shouldn't his language be more than our language. Maybe the word of God is mathematics.

          I have not read the entire Bible. However, my favorite verse, which I look at every morning is "Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged, for the LORD your God will be with you wherever you go." (Joshua 1:9)

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            • Faith_Machine
              Dyed-in-the-wool True Christian™
              True Christian™
              • Mar 2011
              • 10050
              #4
              Re: Mathematics and God?

              OK, so it seems like you've dropped a lot of acid and smoked a lot of dope, and these things have given you keen insights. What's next, are you going to wonder if our solar system might be a giant electron and our galaxy a big atom and the universe just one cell in the flesh of a much larger organism?

              Put down the hash pipe, buddy.
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                • MathTechScienceTurd
                  Confirmed Enemy of God
                  • Mar 2014
                  • 44
                  #5
                  Re: Mathematics and God?

                  Originally posted by Faith_Machine View Post
                  OK, so it seems like you've dropped a lot of acid and smoked a lot of dope, and these things have given you keen insights. What's next, are you going to wonder if our solar system might be a giant electron and our galaxy a big atom and the universe just one cell in the flesh of a much larger organism?

                  Put down the hash pipe, buddy.
                  Absolutely not. And I am offended. Not just because you have made these offensive assumptions and generalizations about me, but also that you have wasted my time. It seems that when I say something makes sense, you will just attack me. Is that what you do? In no way have I questioned the Lord. I am merely proposing that he created the universe in the language of mathematics.

                  Math is much more than just addition and subtraction, it is way beyond us. I cannot even dream of some math. Only God can understand it.

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                    • Pim Pendergast
                      PHD - Theophysicist
                      Saving The Lost With The Truth Of Applied Theoscience
                      True Christian™
                      • Jun 2012
                      • 3103
                      #6
                      Re: Mathematics and God?

                      What reason do you have to think that math is some secret code from God?

                      Please also bear in mind that when we quote from Scripture, we use only the King James Version.
                      sigpicMt 21:42, 44 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes . . . ? And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

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                        • MathTechScienceTurd
                          Confirmed Enemy of God
                          • Mar 2014
                          • 44
                          #7
                          Re: Mathematics and God?

                          Originally posted by Pim Pendergast View Post
                          What reason do you have to think that math is some secret code from God?

                          Please also bear in mind that when we quote from Scripture, we use only the King James Version.
                          Simply the elegance and the fact that the universe is bound by it. The "word of God" can be taken in many ways. Why would a being as divine as himself speak in OUR words. He is beyond us, and so is his language. Now, having said that, maybe his language isn't mathematics. But it makes sense that it could be. What makes you believe that God must be bound by a human language?

                          I apologize for quoting incorrectly.

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                            • Faith_Machine
                              Dyed-in-the-wool True Christian™
                              True Christian™
                              • Mar 2011
                              • 10050
                              #8
                              Re: Mathematics and God?

                              God says what He means, and He means what He says. If math was His other language, He would have told us.
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                                • Attila's Wife
                                  True Christian™
                                  True Christian™
                                  • Jul 2013
                                  • 1941
                                  #9
                                  Re: Mathematics and God?

                                  Originally posted by MathTechScienceTurd View Post
                                  Simply the elegance and the fact that the universe is bound by it. The "word of God" can be taken in many ways.
                                  Really? REALLY??? I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt here and ask you to kindly explain what you mean.

                                  Originally posted by MathTechScienceTurd View Post
                                  Why would a being as divine as himself speak in OUR words. He is beyond us, and so is his language. Now, having said that, maybe his language isn't mathematics. But it makes sense that it could be. What makes you believe that God must be bound by a human language?
                                  The only possible reason I can see that God would NOT speak to us in our own, human language would be if He did not wish every one of us to be able to understand him. His Holy Scriptures are written in plain, straightforward human language, accessible to all, not in some sort of mathematical notation.

                                  You seem to have some crazy ideas. What is your religious background?

                                  YiC
                                  AW
                                  2 Timothy 3:16

                                  All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


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                                    • Pim Pendergast
                                      PHD - Theophysicist
                                      Saving The Lost With The Truth Of Applied Theoscience
                                      True Christian™
                                      • Jun 2012
                                      • 3103
                                      #10
                                      Re: Mathematics and God?

                                      Originally posted by MathTechScienceTurd View Post
                                      He is beyond us, and so is his language.
                                      Following your logic, then, if math is His language, it's beyond us.
                                      sigpicMt 21:42, 44 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes . . . ? And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

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                                        • Cranky Old Man
                                          Trying to out-Methuselah Methuselah
                                          You kids get off his lawn!
                                           
                                          • Jan 2010
                                          • 22380
                                          #11
                                          Re: Mathematics and God?

                                          Originally posted by MathTechScienceTurd View Post
                                          but also that you have wasted my time
                                          What !?!?!?

                                          So YOU are visiting OUR forum and then you complain that WE are wasting YOUR time !?!?!?

                                          Clearly all that fuzzy math has caused some severe brain damage.
                                          5 Reasons why GOD HATES WOMEN!
                                          To most "Christians" The Bible is like a license agreement. They just scroll to the bottom and click "I agree". All those "Christians" will burn in Hell!
                                          James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

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                                            • MathTechScienceTurd
                                              Confirmed Enemy of God
                                              • Mar 2014
                                              • 44
                                              #12
                                              Re: Mathematics and God?

                                              Originally posted by Cranky Old Man View Post
                                              What !?!?!?

                                              So YOU are visiting OUR forum and then you complain that WE are wasting YOUR time !?!?!?

                                              Clearly all that fuzzy math has caused some severe brain damage.
                                              Please, only give me arguments that are worth reading. Simply attacking me is not going to help your cause. It is a waste of your time and my time.

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                                                • MathTechScienceTurd
                                                  Confirmed Enemy of God
                                                  • Mar 2014
                                                  • 44
                                                  #13
                                                  Re: Mathematics and God?

                                                  Originally posted by Pim Pendergast View Post
                                                  Following your logic, then, if math is His language, it's beyond us.
                                                  That is EXACTLY my logic. Mathematics is way beyond human intelligence.

                                                  Also, you seem to be the only one on here worth talking to. Why is it that if I say something that is different, I am attacked? If people would like me to change my mind, then why not explanation. We could leave the hate out of here. I never questioned God, his existence, or the fact that he is the creator of everything. I am simply saying that his language must be beyond us, and MAYBE it is mathematics.

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                                                    • Mother Of Seven
                                                      True Christian™ with a quiverful
                                                      • Jan 2014
                                                      • 2243
                                                      #14
                                                      Re: Mathematics and God?

                                                      1 Kings 7:23 And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.


                                                      If you follow that mathematically, radius is 5, circumference is 30, therefore pi = 3. As our resident mathematician Dr Snyde, so eloquently point out. How do you feel about that?
                                                      Unfortunately, Dr Snyde is on leave at the moment.

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                                                        • Zechariah Smyth
                                                          Walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
                                                          True Christian™
                                                          • Feb 2011
                                                          • 15251
                                                          #15
                                                          Re: Mathematics and God?

                                                          Originally posted by MathTechScienceTurd View Post
                                                          blah blah blah I have not read the entire Bible. blah blah blah
                                                          At least you are being honest. Thank you for that.



                                                          You would be amazed at how many people come here and say they've read the Bible ("Cover to cover, I swear!") and then reveal their utter unfamiliarity with the vast majority of it.

                                                          Oh sure, they know about The Flood, and The Creation, and some of The Life of Jesus. You know, the basic Sunday School stuff. But do they know about:

                                                          - God sending two bears to kill 42 (math!) children for making fun of a guy with male pattern baldness?

                                                          - the man who gave some queers his concubine instead of his male house guest, and they raped her all night, and the following day the man cut her up in to 12 (math!) pieces and sent the dismembered parts all over Israel? Heck, he even offered them his daughter!

                                                          Of course they don't.

                                                          And that is why I want you to get a proper KJV Bible, start at Genesis 1:1 and don't stop until you get to Revelation 22:21. It will only take a few weeks, and then you can speak about God with a little authority.

                                                          Yours in Christ (NOT GEORG CANTOR),

                                                          Z. Smyth
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