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[BabyCottontail]

Hello there,

I came to this site by googling "minecraft is evil." I was trying to find out why some Christians seem to think it is an evil game. I was slightly concerned regarding some of the comments that were posted, and felt that I needed to say something here.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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That doesn't tell us much about your walk with , dear! Tell us what church you go to, what your favorite Bible verse is, and the kind of sinful wasteland that was your life before you sought Redemption!

[BabyCottontail]

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That doesn't tell us much about your walk with , dear! Tell us what church you go to, what your favorite Bible verse is, and the kind of sinful wasteland that was your life before you sought Redemption!

Over time, I'd be glad to share about my walk with Jesus with all of you. For now, I'll say that I attend a United Methodist Church. As for my favorite Bible verse...

Philippians 3:7-11
7 But whatever things were gain to me, those things I have counted as loss for the sake of Christ. 8 More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish so that I may gain Christ, 9 and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith, 10 that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death; 11 in order that I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.


As for a testimony, I'm afraid that I have nothing spectacular to offer to you. I don't really have a before Christ story, as I grew up in the church. There really was never a time that I did not know Christ, and as I learned more about Him, my faith in Him grew.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Welcome to God's favorite forum. The reason you think that jap video games are harmless is because you were raised in the false Christian church of Methodism. Read THIS and repent.

If you'd like to find out more about Landover Baptist Church, please read THIS thread created especially for new posters.

If you have a question, use the "search" function before posting it. Most likely it is being discussed somewhere on this Godly forum. Please don't waste God's precious bandwidth.

You will keep a respectful tongue in your head whenever addressing your betters, which includes all True Christians™. Failure to do so, or any attempt at inciting debate or mockery of God's Divine Plan, can and will result in the suspension of your posting privileges.

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[BabyCottontail]

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Welcome to God's favorite forum. The reason you think that jap video games are harmless is because you were raised in the false Christian church of Methodism. Read THIS and repent.

If you'd like to find out more about Landover Baptist Church, please read THIS thread created especially for new posters.

If you have a question, use the "search" function before posting it. Most likely it is being discussed somewhere on this Godly forum. Please don't waste God's precious bandwidth.

You will keep a respectful tongue in your head whenever addressing your betters, which includes all True Christians™. Failure to do so, or any attempt at inciting debate or mockery of God's Divine Plan, can and will result in the suspension of your posting privileges.

Your rights on this forum are listed HERE. If you feel that any of these rights have been violated, please don't hesitate to contact a Pastor at once.

In one of the pages that you linked above, it says this:
"We tend to get two types of dissenters here. Some are calm and reasonable folks who are capable of rational discussion. I personally enjoy discussing religious topics with this sort of person."

This is the kind of discussion that I would like to engage in here.

Given that, I have to say that I respectfully disagree with many of the things presented in these forums.

I read the link that you provided to the Methodist paper -- I have a couple things to say. First, United Methodist is a Christian denomination, as is Baptist. If it is an issue to call people who attend United Methodist churches United Methodists, and the United Methodist Church would be a false church because of this -- then the same logic would have to apply to Baptists.

But since both the United Methodist Church and the various Baptist churches are Christian denominations, then the members can be called by both their denominational name and the general name "Christian."

There is more that could be said regarding that link -- but I don't think those things are as important as the following two passages from the Bible.

Secondly, Paul himself said this about the gospel:
1 Corinthians 15:1-8
15 Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.
3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 6 After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep; 7 then He appeared to James, then to all the apostles; 8 and last of all, as to one untimely born, He appeared to me also.


And also this:
Romans 10:8-13
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes in Him will not be disappointed.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13 for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”


Romans 10 does not say "whoever belongs to _____ church or denomination will be saved." It says ALL who call on the name of the Lord will be saved.

[Zechariah Smyth]

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blah blah blah It says ALL who call on the name of the Lord will be saved.

That's so weird, because Jesus said the EXACT OPPOSITE.

(Matthew 7:21) "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

You need to use the WHOLE Bible, not just the bits here and there that support your failed claims.

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

[BabyCottontail]

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That's so weird, because Jesus said the EXACT OPPOSITE.

(Matthew 7:21) "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

You need to use the WHOLE Bible, not just the bits here and there that support your failed claims.

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

I see why you draw this conclusion, but Paul and Jesus are actually talking about two different things in the two passages. Paul was speaking of those who were sincere, and actually believed with their heart and truly confessed with their mouth, as can be seen from the context. Jesus, however, was talking about those who are insincere -- those who used His name but who actually didn't believe. Why do I conclude this? Because Jesus was talking about false teachers in Matthew 7:21. 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. What Paul said contains a promise for all those who believe. What Jesus said contains a warning for all those who use Jesus' name for evil, and claim that they are followers of Christ. Paul also writes about false teachers, as do other New Testament writers. And, if we are using quotes from Matthew, we should all ponder this: Matthew 5:21-24 21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. 23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; 24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

[Alphonse Alban]

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I was trying to find out why some Christians seem to think it is an evil game.

All Christians think it's evil game, as this game is not with Jesus. As He says, all that are not with Him, are against Him. Thus, this is an anti-Christian game.

Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

[BabyCottontail]

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All Christians think it's evil game, as this game is not with Jesus. As He says, all that are not with Him, are against Him. Thus, this is an anti-Christian game.

Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

The first time I had ever heard of a Christian thinking that minecraft was evil was what an online friend of mine said. Therefore, it cannot be assumed that all Christians think that minecraft is evil. Only some do.

The game itself does not mention Jesus. It doesn't say anything pro-Jesus or anti-Jesus, and Scripture says nothing whatsoever about it -- so I think that this verse applies:

1 Corinthians 8:4-13
4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. 5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.


7 Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled. 8 But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse. 9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak. 10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols; 11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? 12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ. 13 Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.


I do not believe that the game is sinful itself, so I think that Christians have the freedom to play it. However, if they are in the presence of other Christians who believe it is sin, then those Christians should not play it around the people bothered by it.

[Alphonse Alban]

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It doesn't say anything pro-Jesus

So, just as I quoted Jesus just now, He says it's against Him because it's not pro-Jesus.

Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

[BabyCottontail]

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So, just as I quoted Jesus just now, He says it's against Him because it's not pro-Jesus.

Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

There are so many things in this world that are neutral. Just because something isn't explicitly written about in Scripture, or isn't specifically Christian, does not mean that it is against Jesus.

A verse of Scripture should never be interpreted on its own, and a doctrine cannot be formed from just one verse. We should always interpret a verse within its larger context -- how it fits in with the surrounding verses, the chapter, the book, and the Bible as a whole.

In this case, let's look at Matthew 12:22-37
22 Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw. 23 And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David? 24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.


25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: 26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? 27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges. 28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. 29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.


30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.


31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.


33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit. 34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. 35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. 36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.


Jesus here is not talking about a thing. He is talking about people who stand against Him. This can be seen from the context.

[BabyCottontail]

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Hmmm...it seems that the posts are working now without putting in any special codes for the line breaks. That is good. I'm going to try and repost this post that I made earlier, since my earlier post was difficult to read due to the formatting:

I see why you draw this conclusion, but Paul and Jesus are actually talking about two different things in the two passages. Paul was speaking of those who were sincere, and actually believed with their heart and truly confessed with their mouth, as can be seen from the context. Jesus, however, was talking about those who are insincere -- those who used His name but who actually didn't believe.

Why do I conclude this? Because Jesus was talking about false teachers in Matthew 7:21.

Matthew 7:15-23
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

What Paul said contains a promise for all those who believe. What Jesus said contains a warning for all those who use Jesus' name for evil, and claim that they are followers of Christ. Paul also writes about false teachers, as do other New Testament writers.

And, if we are using quotes from Matthew, we should all ponder this:
Matthew 5:21-24
21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. 23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; 24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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Jesus here is not talking about a thing. He is talking about people who stand against Him. This can be seen from the context.

You cannot see the context of the Holy Word of God because you have been blinded by the Dark Forces of this World (2 Corinthians 4:3-4). You come away with a warped idea of the Gospel, all the while acting as the willing dupe of the Adversary. You should be ashamed of yourself, coming to a church community and spreading lies about the Father.

[BabyCottontail]

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You cannot see the context of the Holy Word of God because you have been blinded by the Dark Forces of this World (2 Corinthians 4:3-4). You come away with a warped idea of the Gospel, all the while acting as the willing dupe of the Adversary. You should be ashamed of yourself, coming to a church community and spreading lies about the Father.

All I'll say to that is this:

2 Corinthians 4:1-6
4 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; 2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. 3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. 6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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All I'll say to that is this:

2 Corinthians 4:1-6
4 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; 2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. 3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. 6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

Are you trying to correct Jesus' Gospel with Paul's words? Just what kind of schizophrenic claptrap do you think the Holy Bible is?