[Prayer Warrior]

Re: Give feminists True Equality™

How are they not?

In the ways that I explained in the opening post.

No, you said that "most of these cultural stereotypes are accurate." Which is incorrect, depending on the case.

Which cultural stereotypes are feminists trying to fight against?

That's highly improbable, but sure, say that. Also, if one has less experience, it is highly unlikely that they will have equal ability, depending on the job.

Yeah, it is highly improbable. That is why from the start I simply said you discriminate against people with less experience. Because people with more experience are generally better at the job.

Possibly twice as likely. Which means that you shouldn't discriminate and say that they will and not hire them. Also, collectively earning less does not mean they don't do as good a job, they might just be doing different things or they are discriminated against. Again, see the wage gap.

Sure, different. Like how men are doctors, and women are nurses. How men are managers, and women are secretaries. They do different work in the sense that it is work that doesn't pay as well.

I think you'd define that as freedom, not independence. Your independence is not relying on anyone, which is what some feminists want. However, see below on defining independence.



You were talking about people who wanted independence while being in shelters. Yes, they do want independence to be able to live on their own, but they have to be dependent for the time being on the shelter.

Again it doesn't matter what they want sometime in the future, they are dependent right now. Once they've gotten out of the shelter, then they can talk.

The government and at least half the population cares. So it's really too bad for you.

So, when you can't come up with a logical or moral reason to refute my claims, your argument is "other people like it"? I thought atheists were supposed to be logical (Yeah right)

A corrupt government run by Obama, along with sinful people that includes a women vote. It isn't just too bad for me. It is too bad for millions of business owners across the nation who are already struggling. It is too bad for all of the other qualified applicants who want to get a job, but can't because the position is held by a women out for pregnancy leave. It is too bad for America.

Or it should apply to men.

Sure, once I see the "Violence against men act", I'll back down from this position.

No one can be truly independent unless they live in anarchy or outside societal influence. Feminists are not calling for absolute independence. They probably want #1, #2 to an extent, and #3. #4 and #5 are options depending on whether they are able to achieve this. Obviously, if they aren't able to, they should not be saying that they are able to be independent.

Exactly, they shouldn't say they're independent if they aren't. All I'm asking is that people who claim to be independent actually be independent. Women who want to remain dependent on men are free to do so provided they follow my simple instructions outlined in the opening post.

Not asking for a source in that post, I was asking for an opinion. In the first post, yes, I was asking for a source.

You asked how I knew, not why I believed. Knowledge is not an opinion, knowledge is a fact.

Many factors, one of them being "the estimates for the discriminatory component of the gender pay gap include 5%[4]:2 and 7%[3]:9 and in at least one study grow as men and women's careers progress."

So what? Again, all this shows is that men discriminate against women. As I mentioned earlier there's nothing wrong with discrimination when you have the right criteria. It doesn't prove that women who are discriminated against actually provide equal work.

With your reasoning, I could say "children get hired for 50% less often, and they get 20% less pay on average even though there are one or two children who happen to be good people who are good at the job. How unjust."

Not enough support from society? Some do start companies. Also, they aren't claiming that they're smarter.

Not enough support from society? Only in America would women be granted a free education, food stamps, loans, the ability to invest, then turn around and claim they don't have enough support from society. What exactly is "enough"? Where a man is sitting behind the scenes explaining exactly what to do?

Some women do have companies, just ask Meg Whitman (CEO of eBay). There is nothing "holding women back" except their own lack of intelligence and drive. If they were smart enough, and they wanted to, they could start a company, yet so few of them do. There are more men in millionaire and billionaire positions than women, just like how there are more men CEOs than women. That's a fact. Maybe instead of blaming chance, luck, and society for their failures, they should take a look in the mirror and realize how inadequate they really are.

I only hope that feminists can see the error in their line of thinking, and accept their God given role as inferior beings designed to serve men. And if they can't do that, then at least stop wasting men's tax dollars and resources on unequal benefits for themselves.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Give feminists True Equality™

I don't get what feminists are whining about. I treat all women exactly the same!

[Tool of satan]

Re: Give feminists True Equality™

In the ways that I explained in the opening post.

Well we've been through that first post so I'm just going to move on..

Yeah, it is highly improbable. That is why from the start I simply said you discriminate against people with less experience. Because people with more experience are generally better at the job.

They also have results to show, while the inexperienced do not.

Sure, different. Like how men are doctors, and women are nurses. How men are managers, and women are secretaries. They do different work in the sense that it is work that doesn't pay as well.

Again, stereotyping jobs, which is why women don't get these jobs or feel reluctant to pursue those fields.

Again it doesn't matter what they want sometime in the future, they are dependent right now. Once they've gotten out of the shelter, then they can talk.

They should be able to say they want to become independent, because that would be exactly what they want, to not have to rely on the shelter anymore.

So, when you can't come up with a logical or moral reason to refute my claims, your argument is "other people like it"? I thought atheists were supposed to be logical (Yeah right)

Stereotyping again I see. Bosses care about money, not about whether there employees can't work. That's why we have government and labor laws.

A corrupt government run by Obama, along with sinful people that includes a women vote. It isn't just too bad for me. It is too bad for millions of business owners across the nation who are already struggling. It is too bad for all of the other qualified applicants who want to get a job, but can't because the position is held by a women out for pregnancy leave. It is too bad for America.

And you, and the losing battle you're trying to fight.

You asked how I knew, not why I believed. Knowledge is not an opinion, knowledge is a fact.

You don't have knowledge about the individual woman yet you made claims as if you did.

So what? Again, all this shows is that men discriminate against women. As I mentioned earlier there's nothing wrong with discrimination when you have the right criteria. It doesn't prove that women who are discriminated against actually provide equal work.

Doesn't prove that they don't provide equal work.

Not enough support from society? Only in America would women be granted a free education, food stamps, loans, the ability to invest, then turn around and claim they don't have enough support from society. What exactly is "enough"? Where a man is sitting behind the scenes explaining exactly what to do?

"Women's experiences of gender discrimination and feminist protests concerning a contemporary backlash against women reflect women's inroads into traditionally masculine arenas, especially their efforts to gain access to high-status, high-paying male-dominated jobs, which are thought to require characteristics stereotypically ascribed to men."

Enough is when they are no longer stereotyped and discriminated against.

Which cultural stereotypes are feminists trying to fight against?

Some women do have companies, just ask Meg Whitman (CEO of eBay). There is nothing "holding women back" except their own lack of intelligence and drive. If they were smart enough, and they wanted to, they could start a company, yet so few of them do. There are more men in millionaire and billionaire positions than women, just like how there are more men CEOs than women. That's a fact. Maybe instead of blaming chance, luck, and society for their failures, they should take a look in the mirror and realize how inadequate they really are.

Again, many factors. Such as, they are stereotyped to rearing children, to being inferior to men, to "prejudice against women in masculine domains (e.g. male-dominated jobs, male-stereotypic behavior)." Anyways, Meg Whitman is an example of a woman who is more than capable of being a CEO. Kind of tramples on your "women are inferior" stereotype, but continue believing that if you want to.

I only hope that feminists can see the error in their line of thinking, and accept their God given role as inferior beings designed to serve men. And if they can't do that, then at least stop wasting men's tax dollars and resources on unequal benefits for themselves.

Not going to happen any time soon. Also, not unequal benefits, explained this in my first post.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Give feminists True Equality™

If women want to be treated as equals to a man, no man would marry one (unless he was a Homer). It is in a females instinct to cater to the mans needs, cooking, cleaning and pleasing him. Just like it is in a mans instincts to tolerate the females presence. No different than a good hunting dog. Even as a pup, they know what they must do. Not letting a dog hunt leaves them unfulfilled. So I do not care what the God haters believe, there is no way I am going to be cruel to a female and let her feel unfulfilled and unneeded.

[Tool of satan]

Re: Give feminists True Equality™

It is in a females instinct to cater to the mans needs, cooking, cleaning and pleasing him. Just like it is in a mans instincts to tolerate the females presence.

Well, I personally am happy that modern society resists this opinion and is moving away from it.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Give feminists True Equality™

Well, I personally am happy that modern society resists this opinion and is moving away from it.

No friend, not true.
Perhaps the pantie waisted 'men' you spend your time with who are surrounded by raging bull dyke full on lesbeans feel that way because the 'tough chicks' will sock them.
There is not a single female anywhere in the Shenandoah mountains or the Smokies that 'wears the pants'.
Perhaps you feel inclined to scrub toilets or darn socks. For normal men, that simply is not the case.
That is not an opinon, that is a fact.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Give feminists True Equality™

Well, I personally am happy that modern society resists this opinion and is moving away from it.

And any woman who WANTS to be "just a housewife" is just backwards and stupid and deserves anything she gets.


Honestly, "feminists" are nothing more than another socialist plot so that the state raises our children. Society is falling apart around our knees, divorce is rampant, but somehow these things are nothing compared to a woman having the right to abandon her family in order to have a career where she gets all the rights of men, but extra benefits because she's a woman and therefore "special".

[Tool of satan]

Re: Give feminists True Equality™

No friend, not true.
There is not a single female anywhere in the Shenandoah mountains or the Smokies that 'wears the pants'.

Do you know every single female in these areas?

Perhaps you feel inclined to scrub toilets or darn socks. For normal men, that simply is not the case.
That is not an opinon, that is a fact.

And that is your opinion.

[Tool of satan]

Re: Give feminists True Equality™

And any woman who WANTS to be "just a housewife" is just backwards and stupid and deserves anything she gets.

No.

Honestly, "feminists" are nothing more than another socialist plot so that the state raises our children. Society is falling apart around our knees, divorce is rampant, but somehow these things are nothing compared to a woman having the right to abandon her family in order to have a career where she gets all the rights of men, but extra benefits because she's a woman and therefore "special".

..Read above for a long winded argument about all of this.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Give feminists True Equality™

Do you know every single female in these areas?

As far as anyone can tell. We are pretty close knitted here in the mountains.
Tell me, do you know all the females everywhere else and they all share your views? When are you planning to 'be with child'?

And that is your opinion.

Not really, it is the female opinon. The few females I have met that feel like you are either drag queens from California (Los Angeles or San Francisco) or from Connecticut. In every case, they came from broken homes where the male member was dead, either from a industrial accident or from trying to save the world from communism and the spread of hate. For the male children in those homes, the females often mutilated the child's genitals causing the boy to want to become a Homer.
When did your dad die?

I think women should be women. That is my opinion.

[Tool of satan]

Re: Give feminists True Equality™

Tell me, do you know all the females everywhere else and they all share your views?

No, never claimed to. Also, people in the mountains don't represent the entire population.

Not really, it is the female opinon. The few females I have met that feel like you are either drag queens from California (Los Angeles or San Francisco) or from Connecticut. In every case, they came from broken homes where the male member was dead, either from a industrial accident or from trying to save the world from communism and the spread of hate. For the male children in those homes, the females often mutilated the child's genitals causing the boy to want to become a Homer.
When did your dad die?

You seem to be very isolated.

I think women should be women. That is my opinion.

Sure.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Give feminists True Equality™

No, never claimed to. Also, people in the mountains don't represent the entire population.

I see, but you expected me to know all women, that was your inference. Friend, I most assuredly know more women that you do or will ever know. I am a very personable individual, I travel a great deal. I do not state facts without knowing them. Your opinion means little to anyone but you.

You seem to be very isolated.

No, not at all. Another of your opinions that are completely wrong and based on a very limited knowledge. Little children think they know it all. It is not until they become adults that they realize that they do not. However, once they have a close relationship with Jesus, the Truths all become clear because of Gods Divine Wisdom.

Sure.

Awesome comment.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Give feminists True Equality™

I think women should be women. That is my opinion.

THANK YOU Mr. Hutchins!

I resent feminists trying to make all women into copies of men. The LORD created me as a woman, to do as a woman ought! I may not feel joy in my flesh doing all the things required of me, such as stretching out my uterus and stomach muscles to the point where I have to scoop them up with me when I get up out of a chair, or constantly feeding and cleaning after children for decades, or scrubbing toilets, lest any of my boys touch their little fellas and get the wrong idea. But I know that my sacrifice today is a part of my duty as a True Christian™, and my reward in Heaven will be worth it. If I have to wait until I die to be happy, then so be it, but I will die as a woman!

[Tool of satan]

Re: Give feminists True Equality™

I see, but you expected me to know all women, that was your inference. Friend, I most assuredly know more women that you do or will ever know. I am a very personable individual, I travel a great deal. I do not state facts without knowing them. Your opinion means little to anyone but you.

I'd expect you to know all the women in those areas before stating that none of them "wear the pants".

No, not at all. Another of your opinions that are completely wrong and based on a very limited knowledge. Little children think they know it all. It is not until they become adults that they realize that they do not. However, once they have a close relationship with Jesus, the Truths all become clear because of Gods Divine Wisdom.

Not exactly an opinion, it was the impression I had based on availiable facts.

Awesome comment.

Of course.

[Thomas Taylor]

Re: Give feminists True Equality™

I'd expect you to know all the women in those areas before stating that none of them "wear the pants".



Not exactly an opinion, it was the impression I had based on availiable facts.



Of course.

Ok. I know that this will mean absolutely nothing to you, but here goes anyway.

1 Peter 3:5

For after this manner in the olde time, the holy women also who trusted in God adorned themselues, beeing in subiection vnto their owne husbands.

You can't get any clearer than that. Women are to be in subjection to men.

i.e. A woman's place is in the home. Barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.

P.S. why is your name that of a perverted act that is an abomination unto Our Lord God?