WOMEN HAVE NO SOULS TO SAVE

[revrggreen]

Dear fellow Christians,

I was interested in the your Landover investigations into women having no immortal soul to save.

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0500/femsoul.html

This is something that has been on my mind for some time, as the Bible states that MAN will be reunited with his maker, NOT CATS, NOT RABBITS, NOT WOMEN, MAN!

This would explain a lot about our faith, as remember God first made man, and gave him a soul, and then took a rib from him and made woman from it, so that she could serve him as sort-of a slave. It says nothing in the Bible about women having souls, so possibly this reseach commission is right.

Do you have any other information on the research?

Rev RG Green

[Seeker]

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Pastor Billy did explain this to me one time. The way that I look at it is.. yipeee. I shall rest in peace.........and you?

I think the men are the ones to be judged harder because they proved in the begining that they sucked about their job. Hold up now! Adam did not provide, got bored and wandered. (probally thinking there might be another chick in the garden to compare boob size) If he stood by his true woman 24/7, EVE, he would have not been tempted and listened to her when she was pissed off and went off on him to share a gosh darn fruit. What a sucker! And women get bad raps! Whatever. Can't yell at me for not being into the womens Lib movement.

pfft, women are cursed in child bearing. It is called an Epideral.

Men have to work and sow fields to bring home the bacon so we can fry it up in the pan. We can sit at home eating bon-bons and still multi-task.

I say...that is why we don't have a soul. There is nothing to be judged because you guy's will be the ones facing the Bema seat. Not us. Glad you feel better about preaching a sermon on this.

I know, I know! I just did not want to see an OP go unreplied.

<<<<shut it up woman. I got it!!!

Do you have any other information on the research?

[SalvationSeeker]

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Yes, I have something to add..
I don't agree with this for one bit, as I cannot find any scriptural evidence for their position.

Do note that a Creation scientist is the one responsible for this "research"!
I think they should just stick to making Sarin for use in our Godly crusade for Jesus, and leave the Bible to us Theologians.

This is something that has been on my mind for some time, as the Bible states that MAN will be reunited with his maker, NOT CATS, NOT RABBITS, NOT WOMEN, MAN!

And I cannot find such a verse either....


My position is that women can go to Heaven too, and very much have souls to save.
This is easily proven:

If a creature doesn't have a soul, it cannot be Saved.
This is proven by (apart from common sense) the fact that there is no verses talking about the Salvation of creatures we know to be soulless. (animals)
Men can be Saved however, and we know man has a soul.
In short, to get Saved, one must have a soul to Save.


And as such, there is a verse that is very much talking about how women are Saved. (1 Timothy 2:15)
Thus, women must have souls to save, and thus be capable of going to either Heaven or Hell.
As otherwise, they couldn't get Saved in the first place. No soul = No Salvation.
And the fact that faith is mentioned in this verse confirms that this does indeed mean Saved as in Salvation.
(And not saved as in Numbers 31:15-17)

Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing,
If they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
1 Timothy 2:15


Thus, women have souls, women can be Saved.
So Seeker, don't think you're off the hook here, you're still very much in danger of going to hell.

[Andrew Barrick]

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Hmmm...This is interesting. Yet another revelation provided courtesy of Landover Baptist. I'm being led into such a glorious light. Praise! As for the women not having souls, I'm not loosing any sleep over the issue.

[Talitha]

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There has to be Women in Heaven to fetch and carry for the Men.
It's a womans duty in this life and the next

[LordMaster]

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"Women have no souls to save"

Well... that's not a hateful thing to say is it? Make sure to tell your mother or sister or aunt or grandma etc. etc. the next time you tell them you love them.

"For God so loved the world..." John 3:16 The World means everything and everyone.

[Brother Temperance]

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As I understand it, women have souls, but not very important ones. This explains why they're valued less, but means they can still go to Hell. Roughly speaking, I'd say your average man has as much soul in one rib as a woman has in her entire body.

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

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Catlickers certainly argue against female souls.

The research is still ongoing, but it seems quite clear that when GOD made Eve from Adan's rib, Adam didn't give up HIS soul, or have a chunk of it chopped off for Eve, and it is quite clear that GOD views Eve (and all women) as animals which men can own or discard as they wish, like any other property. So since GOD HIMSELF values women little, if at all, and souls are what GOD wants in Heaven, women obviously don't have them.

There are many reference works available concerning this very subject.

http://www.mellenpress.com/mellenpress.cfm?bookid=5707&pc=9

Treatise on the Question Do Women Have Souls and Are They Human Beings?: Disputatio Nova Expanded and Revised Edition
Hart, Clive

With translation, commentary, and appendices

The anonymous tract Disputatio nova contra mulieres, qua probatur eas hominess non esse (A new argument against women, in which it is demonstrated that they are not human beings), first published in 1595, rapidly grew notorious, and was reprinted many times during the 17th and 18th centuries. By selectively quoting scriptural passages, along with a few references to other works, the author attempted to prove that women have no souls, and, being little better than higher animals, will have no afterlife. Although a degree of anti-feminine spite is evident, he was less intent to denigrate women that to advance an absurd argument parallel to what he took to be the equally absurd theological propositions of the Socinian sect, that Christ was not divine. It was nevertheless inevitable that most readers would take the tract at face value. Many refutations appeared. This new edition, with complete translation, collated text, and copious quotations from many references to it, ranging from the 16th to the 20th centuries, offers the first full assessment of its impact on early modern feminist thought.

Professor Hart’s edition of the Disputatio Nova can serve as a model for scholarly editions of texts from the borderland of literature, history, philosophy and theology. Not only does it provide a textual basis which is as close to being reliable as it can be under the circumstances, but also a crisp translation in the – probably unintentionally – ambiguous spirit of the original, together with a considerable number of contemporary sources in the appendices – indispensable material for the valuation of this treatise….The user of this edition thus gets a solid basis for research and does not need to spend valuable time unearthing remote sources. The bibliography alone is a treasure trove for any scholar who does research in this field.” – Harald Beck, Augsburg

Table of Contents:

Foreword

1. Introduction: do women have souls? Opinions from the middle ages to the nineteenth century
2. The Disputatio nova: a history of its publication and reception
3. The Disputatio nova: translation
4. The Disputatio nova: commentary, with identification of allusions and sources
5. Essai sur l’ame des femmes: translation of the anonymous essay of 1744
6. The Disputatio nova: Latin text

Appendix 1: An admonition to students: translation
Appendix 2: Further references to the Disputatio nova and to the belief that women have no souls.

Bibliography; Index

ISBN10: 0-7734-6541-3 ISBN13: 978-0-7734-6541-1 Pages: 272 Year: 2003

Series: Mellen Critical Editions and Translations Number: 11
Imprint: Edwin Mellen Press

USA List Price: $109.95 UK List Price: £ 59.95

[SalvationSeeker]

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""For God so loved the world..." John 3:16 The World means everything and everyone.

No, it doesn't.
God doesn't love everyone (Psalm 5:5) and He isn't going to Save everyone either, but only those WHO BELIEVE.
That's not including everyone or any nonnsense like that, it's excluding -
Believers are excluded from going to hell. While everyone else, babies included (there is NO scripture saying babies go to Heaven by default) will go to HELL:
Where the fire burns eternal and the worm die not.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,
that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16

As for the world in the verse, that's not a reference to people, but the world quite literally.
Jesus used a field to describe the world - Where the produce of it are the people.
As such, people are not the world, but what grows in it.. what comes out of it.

Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers,
Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them:
But gather the wheat into my barn.
Matthew 13:24-30

Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house:
And his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
Matthew 13:36-40

In short, the world is the world. This place we live. Jesus love it, He made it.
But He greatly dislike all the tares (that is, sinners) polluting it, just as God was angry with Adam and Eve for polluting the garden with sin!
He drove them away from the garden and sent them forth into the earth.
In similar fashion, Jesus will drive all the sinners off the earth, and send them straight to hell! Praise God!
Thus "the world" does NOT mean everyting and everone, Biblical fact.

[LordMaster]

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From what the bible describes of Jesus's actions, he seems to have taken up with 'sinners' for the most part ( drunks, fighters, prostitutes, etc. ) even the diseased or tax collector were part of his circle. He didn't exclude anyone from his love whether they deserved it or not ( except the money-makers in the temple that one time... ).

Next, God was angrier about the fact that they disobeyed his one restriction, the sin part came later.

Nex, by your own quoting of the Bible, Angels are the Reapers ( ie: judges ), not mortal, fallible manknd. So in that sense how can any of us truly judge anyone else. Especially according to God's plan seeing as how we couldn't possibly conceive of something so infinite.

Lastly, none of this detracts from my earlier assertion that everyone should try to look their mothers in the eye and tell them they have no soul, then try to say you love them...

Everything that lives has a soul, how else could it live? Magic? That's blasphemous. Satan? God created the world and everything in it not the Morningstar. BTW, it stands to reason that since God gave souls to everyone, they all belong to Him. Him being God not men, to attempt to lay claim would be nothing short of Satan laying claim to The Throne through pride and hubris. Thanks for your time in reading this.

[H. Montague Worthington]

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Hmmm...This is interesting. Yet another revelation provided courtesy of Landover Baptist. I'm being led into such a glorious light. Praise! As for the women not having souls, I'm not loosing any sleep over the issue.

We can see that. Maybe we could fix you up with a True Christian(tm) woman who knows her place and doesn't correct your Star Trek Trivia factoids.

One other question, just what kind of a NAME is Andrew Barrick? Are you any relation to Barrick Osama, the fancy-talking Nigra terrorist?

[SalvationSeeker]

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From what the bible describes of Jesus's actions, he seems to have taken up with 'sinners' for the most part ( drunks, fighters, prostitutes, etc. ) even the diseased or tax collector were part of his circle. He didn't exclude anyone from his love whether they deserved it or not ( except the money-makers in the temple that one time... ).

That's because Jesus came to save sinners.
We are all sinners, before we accept Him as our personal Saviour.
But find me a verse where Jesus approves of sin? There is none.

He came to call us to REPENTENCE AND BELIEF!
Not to forgive those who refuse to acknowledge Him and their wrongdoings, to get forgiveness, one must ask it. (Repent.)

But their scribes and Pharisees murmured against his disciples, saying, Why do ye eat and drink with publicans and sinners?
And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick.
I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Luke 5:30-32

They (His disciples) were willing to repent of their former lives and follow and believe in Jesus, thus they were no longer sinners, but children of God.
So once again, Jesus shown His love for the ELECT, not anyone else.

Next, God was angrier about the fact that they disobeyed his one restriction, the sin part came later.

Sin is everything contrary to the will of God, the transgression of His law.
What He commands, that word is law, and disobeying it is sin. (1 John 3:4)

Nex, by your own quoting of the Bible, Angels are the Reapers ( ie: judges ), not mortal, fallible manknd. So in that sense how can any of us truly judge anyone else. Especially according to God's plan seeing as how we couldn't possibly conceive of something so infinite.

You're right in that we can't judge as in make laws and such, we do not have the wisdom.
Angels aren't judges however, GOD is the judge.
Angels are but proxies and servants of God. They carry out punishment, tops.
They don't make the decision that judgement is to be carried out against someone, God does. Thus, God is the judge.
He gives the orders, they follow. Very much like us True Christians.

So what we can do and is COMMANDED to do, is carry out the punishments described in God's law, against those who break it.
However, we must also follow the same law, and it states that secular law must be obeyed -
Thus, we cannot kill homosexuals if it's forbidden in secular law, even though the punishment for homosexuality is death according to God's law. (Leviticus 20:13)

Lastly, none of this detracts from my earlier assertion that everyone should try to look their mothers in the eye and tell them they have no soul, then try to say you love them...

We aren't supposed to love our mothers, only honor them.
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters,
Yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Luke 14:26

As for souls, why argue that with me?
As I said earlier, there is nothing in the Bible to indicate that women doesn't have souls;
Only that they are inferior to men.

Everything that lives has a soul, how else could it live? Magic? That's blasphemous. Satan? God created the world and everything in it not the Morningstar.

Please do not translate Lucifer to english, it's like you glorify the devil...

And why must a living thing has a soul to live? Because YOU think so?
The Bible doesn't say that everything has a soul, therefore it doesn't. Period.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

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Everything that lives has a soul, how else could it live?

That's utterly ridiculous.

Do you believe that fish have souls? Do you believe that oysters have souls? Do you believe that sponges have souls? Do you believe that ferns have souls? Do you believe that mushrooms have souls? Bread mold? Pond scum?

Do you believe that bacteria have souls? At what point during meiosis would a soul enter the new bacterium? Would the parent bacterium's soul also split during meiosis, or would God have to actively insert a new soul every time a bacterium splits? What would happen to a bacterium's soul when it dies? Could a bacterium be saved, or would it go to Hell?

If what you are saying is true, your body isn't home to one soul, your body is home to hundreds of trillions of souls. In a human body, bacteria cells outnumber the human's own cells by 10-1.

I think you need to rethink your theology a bit, friend. The Bible is clear that men have souls. Whether women are born with souls, or only get one later when they have borne children, is something that saved Christians of good conscience can disagree on and discuss civilly. However, there in nothing in the Bible that even hints of plants or animals having souls.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Seeker]

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pfft, women are cursed in child bearing. It is called an Epideral.

Wait, I just had one of my nightly air-headed thoughts. I have to quote myself. Why would Eve even be cursed in child bearing in the first place? Did she experience kids before what Genesis stated? Before Cain and Able obviously? I think God did state this after the 2 brats. ha!

Anyone...

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

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Wait, I just had one of my nightly air-headed thoughts. I have to quote myself. Why would Eve even be cursed in child bearing in the first place? Did she experience kids before what Genesis stated? Before Cain and Able obviously? I think God did state this after the 2 brats. ha!

Anyone...

I came here to assist you one more time, although I now suspect that you have a Book of Mormon hidden somewhere around your house. Be careful it doesn't spontaneously combust! If you are in it's presence when fire consumes you, SATAN will be standing there licking his lips!