[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Cultural exchange: understanding the other side

Some lovely examples there offering life expectations other than hallucinogenic foodstuffs and one's innards. And how much more is offered to Christians! Truly a foretaste of Glory divine.

Effective witnessing does require understanding the other side—I'm not sure how much "cultural exchange" I'd want coming in my direction though—and an appropriate segue came up:

They dump their miserable internal experiences onto us like anyone cares.

In the backgroundª was an enigmatic piece which I researched further and in accordance with the aim of the thread am happy to am now going to post here.

4. BACKGROUND DETAIL FROM THE INSTALLATION


5 & 6 – detail enlarged with VIEW FROM DIFFERENT ANGLE


I'd wondered what it was, possibly a fallen angel or a take on the music of the spheres? but no: I eventually got it: look for the transverse and/or sigmoid colon and you should be able to work it out from there. It is important to understand the other side of Creation, here in its supremely fallen condition, but as I suggested earlier cultural exchange will be preferred in just the one direction.


ª my previous post

[Dr. Anthony J. Toole]

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For anyone interested in diversity in art, I'd suggest the Redlin art store.

Thank you Mr. Mayor. In many ways, Redlin and Kinkade remind me of my all time favorite artist. There's something very clean and wholesome about their work. Everything is how it's supposed to be, straight out of central casting. Like Kinkade, he also did not take spit from liberals. This one is entitled Alpenhof, which I believe translates to invade Poland and exterminate the vermin/undesirables.

[Johny Joe Hold]

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Thank you Mr. Mayor. In many ways, Redlin and Kinkade remind me of my all time favorite artist. There's something very clean and wholesome about their work. Everything is how it's supposed to be, straight out of central casting.

When you look at Redlin and Kinkade you cannot but search for a subliminal message or meaning behind their paintings. What was the societal impact they hoped to have?

I think they were both trying to convey this message: People like art they can understand.

[WWJDnow]

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Why can't we have more wholesome paintings in this world? Artists, I encourage you to paint that happy little cabin next to the happy little trees next to Jesus on the cross. Let your creativity flow as you show the world how Jesus suffered as He died. What more positive message could we present to today's youth? So much better than duck-headed demons!

[MitzaLizalor]

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Why can't we have more wholesome paintings in this world? Artists, I encourage you to paint that happy little cabin next to the happy little trees next to Jesus on the cross. Let your creativity flow as you show the world how Jesus suffered as He died. What more positive message could we present to today's youth? So much better than duck-headed demons!

You've put your finger on it there: demons!

Allowing that art reflects the society producing it (although the art itself would be an element of culture rather than of society) there must be some very strange societies out there. And that's the reason, right there: DEMONS. Using even the material teaching how to read, the story lines, the illustrations, the characters, the situations described, all together present a demon-controlled world certain to result in artworks no sane person could appreciate. By the age of 21, everything passes through a warped filter with no need for Christ—as they'd see it—because the remission of sins had never been a topic in any reading material from the very first book to the latest adventure. Pirates probably, plenty of rum and gin, even the games they play mock Jesus, "leapfrog" and "ouija" and "tarot cards" and endless carousing with the demonic suggestion that if you don't get wasted there's something wrong with you.

Culture consists of ideas and objects. An artwork is an object. Poetry is an object too, as far as the page it's printed on is concerned, but poetry is also ideas, making literature (poems, novels, comics, magazines) part of culture. I've seen enough of the demonic stuff to understand the other side's culture. Society though, being interactions between people, is where The Gospel is presented. Explaining to someone why Jesus had to be murdered is a type of interaction BUT we can expect trick questions, smarmy curiosity about why do you think that? sort of thing. It's not really a question and they're not interested in your answer. It's an interaction, sure, but informed by ideas and as such an expression of culture in a pretend exchange format—demons have nothing to exchange so the whole thing's transparently fake—I understand well enough to avoid.

I thought those houses with the lights on were quite good.

[Dr. Anthony J. Toole]

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Today two lovely young liberals created a unique piece shown below. I believe they entitled it "Sunflower Tomato Soup". It is on display for a short while and then the artists will be starting a GoFundMe page to help with their legal problems, seeking around $100m in the first round.

Not a fan of it personally, but would anyone like to help us understand the other side in this case?

[Johny Joe Hold]

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Not a fan of it personally, but would anyone like to help us understand the other side in this case?

What we are seeing in this case, where soup was poured on a priceless painting, is a longing for attention from mothers. Soup is comfort food, the kind their mothers would have fixed for them.
Pouring soup over anything reflects this need.

[MitzaLizalor]

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So they're promoting sunflower seed oil powered vehicles?

[Dr. Anthony J. Toole]

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So they're promoting sunflower seed oil powered vehicles?

I think, possibly they are suggesting we burn old paintings for fuel? The red tomato liquid is reminiscent of flames and they are glued to the wall. Glued to the Goddam... I mean, what in the name of?

[MitzaLizalor]

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Oh —— you mean they've superglued themselves to the wall?
Are they aware of the centuries of Big Industrial Chemistry needed to come up with superglue? It's hardly a fundamental substance and I doubt if any of its primary ingredients can be produced without immense fumes. They worry about "oil" but do they know whether a hundred year old car would have more fumes exiting its exhaust than came from the factory making it? (ask them for quantities) What about rare earths used in fancy magnets? (ask them about % yields from ore) I'm not making the claims so needn't have those answers to hand. Hand! Geddit?!!?!??!?!??!?!


OK, I've recovered from that now – yesterday I was talking to someone about how much fuel his vehicle used. That is to say he was talking to me about it. I was impersonating a deaf person. But he did say something like, "You'd think they could come up with something better than blah, blah, etc.," so I said, "Yes: centuries ago: clockwork." And I'm sure with development of metals throughout the industrial revolution we ought to be able to make a pretty good clockwork car by now.

It doesn't look very comfortable though. Wouldn't it be more convenient to concrete their feet into a hole and sit on a chair?

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

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So they're promoting sunflower seed oil powered vehicles?

Heinz tomato soup contains rapeseed (canola) oil, though. Perhaps they were protesting against the painting illustrating the wrong kind of oil? It's hard to know, when these protesters are so very inarticulate.

[MitzaLizalor]

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Probably if they were articulate they wouldn't need to be protestors.

Understanding the other side can be demanding when they don't understand themselves in the first place. Having no moral grounding, something that needs to be taught with an emphasis on consequences in The World to Come Matthew 12:32, their thoughts have no direction and there's nothing there to understand. An outright heathen at least has direction and even more unmitigated savages become ever easier to understand. They want to kill and eat me. They see me: into the missionary pot as fast as possible! A simple, clear objective (if they can catch me) and easy to understand. They make fetishes. What do they represent? Satan. Again, straightforward. Generally savages don't have post-structuralist street marches or discuss the application of semiotics to language.

Are there even missionaries to furry conventions? At least savages understand why Jesus needed to die.

[Dr. Anthony J. Toole]

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I'm not one to gloat and say I told you so, but in the case of "New York City I" by abstract Dutch artist Piet Mondrian, it's going to be difficult. Nevertheless I'll try to remain open-minded in the interests of maintaining a civil dialogue with these idiots.

The "painting" - a complex interlacing lattice of red, yellow, black and blue adhesive tapes - has been hanging upside down since it was put on display 75 years ago. Curator Susanne Meyer-Büser who discovered the error said "Once I pointed it out to the other curators, we realised it was very obvious."

Part of the problem is that unlike most of Mondrian’s earlier works, New York City I does not bear the artist’s signature, possibly because he hadn’t deemed it finished.

Certainly that is part of the problem, among a complex interlacing lattice of other problems. Despite this important art historical discovery, curators say it will continue to be displayed the wrong way up. Because it doesn't matter, does it? Upside down, back to front, or possibly just the packaging, "it’s now part of the work’s story." I'll yield the floor to any young modern artists with soup and superglue who wish to carry on the story.

For reference, here it is the right way up.

[Johny Joe Hold]

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I've had a lifelong hobby of interpreting what is called "abstract art." What I found is it often is not abstract, just an artist trying to paint something real and getting mixed up. That is the case here.

This artist intended to present a window. The "header" or weight bearing structure is on the bottom, so, the work is mistakenly hung upside down.

Then, the artist set about presenting two panes of glass and an insect screen. He intended for each to be a different color. But, in painting he got distracted or something and started incorrectly running the inside pain over the storm pain then over the insect screen and so on. He discovered this then quit rather than correcting his mistake.

I hope this helps.

[Dr. Anthony J. Toole]

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I think your perspective is fundamentally the correct one, Mr. Mayor. Let's marvel at the artist's skill in depicting the backs of people's heads as they ponder if it's the right way up, especially the short gnome figure on the left (right). What is he even doing? Where are his hands??! Does he have soup in there? There's so much to look out for.