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Pie Please help me out - 04-28-2019, 08:19 PM

Hey, you may remember me, but it doesn't matter.

Basically, there's this problem that not a single has yet given me a straight answer to; I thought that you, as basically the most religious people I know to exist, could at least help me.






Here's the thing:


God is Omnipotent.
God is Eternal.


Can God kill Himself?
That is, can God eliminate himself from all existence, forever?


If He can't, He is not Omnipotent.
If He can, He is not Eternal, since He has an end.






I e-mailed Pastor Zeke, but I think my message was buried somewhere in his junk mail


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Default Re: Please help me out - 04-28-2019, 08:39 PM

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Basically, there's this problem that not a single has yet given me a straight answer to; I thought that you, as basically the most religious people I know to exist, could at least help me.
Thank you for your faith, dear!

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Here's the thing:

God is Omnipotent.
God is Eternal.

Can God kill Himself?
He did - He killed His Son (Who is also Him), and stayed dead for one and a half day. We just celebrated His Resurrection a week ago!

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That is, can God eliminate himself from all existence, forever?

If He can't, He is not Omnipotent.
If He can, He is not Eternal, since He has an end.
Third option:

He can (because He's Omnipotent) but He won't (because He wants to stay Eternal).

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I e-mailed Pastor Zeke, but I think my message was buried somewhere in his junk mail
Pastor Zeke has important things to attend. If your message was important, he'll address it. Eventually.

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Default Re: Please help me out - 04-28-2019, 08:49 PM

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Pastor Zeke has important things to attend. If your message was important, he'll address it. Eventually.

I suspected as much


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Third option:

He can (because He's Omnipotent) but He won't (because He wants to stay Eternal).

But here's the thing:


If He will kill Himself (In the Future) He is not (In the Present) Eternal, as He will have an End (In the Future)


So to be Eternal, there must be no chance of Him killing Himself in the Future. As such, He cannot be both able to kill Himself and Eternal.




Please note that each time I say kill I mean erase from existence forever.
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Default Re: Please help me out - 04-28-2019, 08:51 PM

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But here's the thing:

If He will kill Himself (In the Future) He is not (In the Present) Eternal, as He will have an End (In the Future)

So to be Eternal, there must be no chance of Him killing Himself in the Future. As such, He cannot be both able to kill Himself and Eternal.
That's why He won't kill Himself (even though He totally could)!


EDIT:

One more question: do you remember when you sent that email to Pastor Zeke? Maybe I can ask the secretary to find it in the archives.

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That's why He won't kill Himself (even though He totally could)!
But He can't do both. He can't kill himself and still be Eternal, right?
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But He can't do both. He can't kill himself and still be Eternal, right?
He can kill Himself hypothetically, which means He's still eternal.


Do you remember, when did you send that email to Pastor Zeke? It's probably buried somewhere in the archives, the secretary can send an intern to dig it out.
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He can kill Himself hypothetically, which means He's still eternal.


Do you remember, when did you send that email to Pastor Zeke? It's probably buried somewhere in the archives, the secretary can send an intern to dig it out.
Eh, it's fine - He would probably say everything you have.


Thank you so much, you've been very helpful.
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...If I have faith in anything, it's this Forum's ability to answer any and all questions about Christianity.
Then why are you asking that question here? It has nothing to do with Christianity, which can be summed as "this is what you need to do to not get thrown into Hell". Anything musings outside of that consideration are pointless, and quite possibly dangerous to someone's faith (like your so-called paradox [hint: it isn't one] which questions the omnipotence of God).


Go bother the Gnostics with that shit.



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Default Re: Please help me out - 04-29-2019, 01:46 PM

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Default Re: Please help me out - 04-30-2019, 08:57 AM

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Now Basilisca, don’t go an sell yourself short! While we men make the important decisions and handle the real business, we take solace knowing that there is always a place for animals and women.

For you, that place is in the kitchen, providing sustenance to your man so he can continue to provide for your family. Behind every great man there is a woman who cooks, cleans and does the laundry.


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But He can't do both. He can't kill himself and still be Eternal, right?
Seeing people like you with your narrow, close minded view of the world saddens me.


God has killed Himself already. Does Easter ring a bell. Everyone knows the Holy Trinity. God, Jesus and The Hole Ghost. Jesus, dead and buried. Arose from the dead. Proven fact.



See, what you fail to realize that God can kill Himself and then bring Himself back to life. Thus completing the Perfect Circle® of Life.


The mistake people like you make is to think of God as one of us. I can grow a tree. Cut teh tree down, to make a greenhouse. In that greenhouse, I can grow more trees from grafts of the original tree.


Really basic stuff. If you'd take five seconds to read your Bible, you would not to ask silly, obvious questions.


Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
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Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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