[Albert The Lunkhead (On Moderation)]

Originally Posted by Alphonse Alban

Cain's wife was a descendant of Adam and Eve

Researchers in the United Kingdom have found algae-like fossils in meteorite fragments that landed in Sri Lanka last year. This is the strongest evidence yet of cometary panspermia — that life on Earth began when a meteorite containing simple organisms landed here, billions of years ago — and, perhaps more importantly, that there’s life elsewhere in the universe.

Adam & Eve is nonsense.

[Alphonse Alban]

Originally Posted by Albert The Lunkhead

This is the strongest evidence yet of cometary panspermia

So in other words it meas that there is a theory and even the people who came up with this theory are not quite sure if this happened at all, but this is their best guess. Go ahead, post some interview where people who came up with this THEORY says that they are 100% sure that this is how it happened. Until that, stop wasting your time by posting some heresay you do not understand and even people who came up with it does not fully stand behind it.

On the other hand, I can easily prove you wrong. God created everything.

Genesis 1

King James Version (KJV)

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Jesus wins again!

[Albert The Lunkhead (On Moderation)]

Originally Posted by Alphonse Alban

So in other words it meas that there is a theory and even the people who came up with this theory are not quite sure if this happened at all, but this is their best guess. Go ahead, post some interview where people who came up with this THEORY says that they are 100% sure that this is how it happened. Until that, stop wasting your time by posting some heresay you do not understand and even people who came up with it does not fully stand behind it.

On the other hand, I can easily prove you wrong. God created everything.

Jesus wins again!

And religion is the same. You can't be 100% sure that God exists. The only 'evidence' you have is if its true for you. So, it's 100% for you, as a religious person, but you don't have actual evidence.

[Alphonse Alban]

Originally Posted by Albert The Lunkhead

You can't be 100% sure that God exists.

Of course I am 100% sure that God exists.
Again you were wrong.

[Albert The Lunkhead (On Moderation)]

Originally Posted by Alphonse Alban

Of course I am 100% sure that God exists.
Again you were wrong.

And your evidence of God existence?

[Alphonse Alban]

Originally Posted by Albert The Lunkhead

And your evidence of God existence?

Irrelevant to your statement that I can't be 100% sure that God exists.
Sorry, I am still 100% sure that God exists.

What is your evidence that God does not exists?

[Albert The Lunkhead (On Moderation)]

Originally Posted by Alphonse Alban

What is your evidence that God does not exists?

Burden of Proof.

If you fail to provide evidence for your assertions, we atheists can dismiss them without exerting any energy. No need to disprove something you cannot prove, but I'll do it anyway. No believer has ever substantiated his claim with actual verifiable evidence. There is no corresponding evidence which substantiates God's existence. Therefore, there is no reason to consider God as anything more than an abstraction, an idea which occupies the minds of you people - minds which have themselves arisen because of natural processes which occur within our living physical brains.

[Alphonse Alban]

Originally Posted by Albert The Lunkhead

Burden of Proof.

Oh man, you are even more stupid than I thought. Burden of proof is something that someone has to do if they make a clain. Such as "You can't be 100% sure that God exists"
Here you have burden of proof the to back up your claim. Since you could not do it, you were once again wrong.

On my case, I presented a question. What is your evidence that God does not exists? I did not make any claims here, I simply asked if you have any evedince or not.

[Albert The Lunkhead (On Moderation)]

Originally Posted by Alphonse Alban

Oh man, you are even more stupid than I thought. Burden of proof is something that someone has to do if they make a clain. Such as "You can't be 100% sure that God exists"
Here you have burden of proof the to back up your claim. Since you could not do it, you were once again wrong.

On my case, I presented a question. What is your evidence that God does not exists? I did not make any claims here, I simply asked if you have any evedince or not.

Absence of evidence is in fact evidence of absence. This is exactly why most people don't believe in leprechauns, unicorns, Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, etc. The burden of the proof lies with the person making the claim of existence. They are the ones that claim something. Claims need irrefutable proof. You guys claim god exists, then provide no supporting evidence. Therefore we dismiss your claim. As for God, the Biblical character, reality contradicts most of what is in the Bible, which is evidence he doesn't exist. No believer has ever substantiated his claim with actual verifiable evidence. There is no corresponding evidence which substantiates God's existence. Therefore, there is no reason to consider God as anything more than an abstraction, an idea which occupies the minds of you people - minds which have themselves arisen because of natural processes which occur within our living physical brains.

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by Unwish

I thought incest in considered forbidden, is it not?

Not necessarily:
Lot had sex (and babies) with his daughters (Genesis 19:31-38)
Abraham married his half sister (Genesis 20:12)
Moses was the result of the marriage between Amram and Amram's aunt (Exodus 6:20)
David's son raped his own sister (2 Samuel 13:1, 2 Samuel 13:11-14)

Incest throughout Old Testament can be explained by the fact that laws of God are not retroactive (Romans 5:13), as has been explained in the following thread: http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=82142

[Alphonse Alban]

Originally Posted by Albert The Lunkhead

Absence of evidence is in fact evidence of absence. This is exactly why most people don't believe in leprechauns, unicorns, Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, etc. The burden of the proof lies with the person making the claim of existence. They are the ones that claim something. Claims need irrefutable proof. You guys claim god exists, then provide no supporting evidence. Therefore we dismiss your claim. As for God, the Biblical character, reality contradicts most of what is in the Bible, which is evidence he doesn't exist. No believer has ever substantiated his claim with actual verifiable evidence. There is no corresponding evidence which substantiates God's existence. Therefore, there is no reason to consider God as anything more than an abstraction, an idea which occupies the minds of you people - minds which have themselves arisen because of natural processes which occur within our living physical brains.

So in other words, absence of evidence that God does not exist, is by your words definete evidence that God infact exists. Thank you for proving me right once again.

On another note, you might have noticed how stupid that piece of text is, if you had taken time to actually read it through instead of copy/pasting it. Do you have any original thoughts of your own, or does it just make you feel smarter when you copy stuff you do not understand yourself and present them as your own thoughts?

[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by Unwish

I assume that by descendant you mean daughter. Okay, let's say you didn't made that up and continue to the next question: If Cain's wife is Adam and Eve's descendant, that means she is related to them by blood, just like Cain is. That means that Cain and his wife are blood related too. I thought incest in considered forbidden, is it not?

Chronological order, boy. Dear me! The verses that forbid incest come after the Flood. Was the incest that followed the flood also against your much harsher morals than God's?

[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by Albert The Lunkhead

Researchers in the United Kingdom have found algae-like fossils in meteorite fragments that landed in Sri Lanka last year. This is the strongest evidence yet of cometary panspermia — that life on Earth began when a meteorite containing simple organisms landed here, billions of years ago — and, perhaps more importantly, that there’s life elsewhere in the universe.

Adam & Eve is nonsense.

No they haven't. Why do you need to tell lies or to pass on the lies of others to try to get us to believe what you believe? Why is it so important to you that we join you in Hell? What did the devil promise you?

[Alphonse Alban]

Originally Posted by Unwish

If Cain's wife is Adam and Eve's descendant, that means she is related to them by blood, just like Cain is. That means that Cain and his wife are blood related too.

Of course, it still does not make any kind of contradiction. You have to remember that Adam and Eve were perfect in every way. Only after Eve (as a woman) brought evil into paradise, started the downfall of man. As noted before, incest become forbidden only after the flood.

Also, before the flood people still lived commonly to about 900 years old. That means that Cains wife needed not to be his sister. Cain and Abel were not the only sons you know. So Cain's wife could have been his niece (or one even from next many generations) from his numerous sisters and brothers.

Genesis 5:4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

[Unwish]

Originally Posted by Alphonse Alban

Of course, it still does not make any kind of contradiction. You have to remember that Adam and Eve were perfect in every way. Only after Eve (as a woman) brought evil into paradise, started the downfall of man. As noted before, incest become forbidden only after the flood.

Also, before the flood people still lived commonly to about 900 years old. That means that Cains wife needed not to be his sister. Cain and Abel were not the only sons you know. So Cain's wife could have been his niece (or one even from next many generations) from his numerous sisters and brothers.

Genesis 5:4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

Then why did they forbid incest only after the flood? I know not of any mutation that happened before the flood.

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by Unwish

Then why did they forbid incest only after the flood? I know not of any mutation that happened before the flood.

I've posted that already, but maybe you need a larger font to read:

Incest throughout Old Testament can be explained by the fact that laws of God are not retroactive (Romans 5:13)

In other words, that means, that the Ten Commandments don't apply before God gave them to people.

[Alphonse Alban]

Originally Posted by Unwish

Then why did they forbid incest only after the flood? I know not of any mutation that happened before the flood.

Because God saw it fit after the sons of Noah started to repopulate the empty earth.

[Integral]

Wait, why wait until after the flood? Was there not enough of humanity back then?

[Alphonse Alban]

Originally Posted by Integral

Wait, why wait until after the flood? Was there not enough of humanity back then?

Why not? How about you read the bible for the first time of your life and see for yourself the real history of man.

[Integral]

So the whole world drowned in water, am i right? Not a single grain of dirt left for people to stand on?