[gregincambodia]

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Oh and can someone explain to me why you trade mark True Christian? Isn't that just a little disrespectful?

This is a private website owned and operated by The Landover Baptist Church. As a guest here, I respectfully follow their conventions, and I suggest that you do the same.

[Dr. Creation]

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Psalm 5:5 God hates the workers of iniquity; He hates sinners, not just the sins. Do you have any scripture to support your claim that God loves sinners?

If God hates sinners, then no one would be a Christian. John 3:16 is a good verse to check out for you. Last time I checked, we were all sinners once. If God loved the WORLD then He loved the sinners. Another example is when he had a meal with Zacchaeus. Why would Jesus have a meal with someone He hates? And about the "True Christian" thing, I am just asking the owners of this site for an explanation.

[gregincambodia]

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Maybe you should slow down and think a little; you are obviously grasping at straws here.

If God hates sinners, then no one would be a Christian.

That is just nonsense. Try to explain your logic if you can. PROTIP: Use Scripture

John 3:16 is a good verse to check out for you. Last time I checked, we were all sinners once.

We already covered this. You need to read the whole Bible. John 3:16,17,18 God only loves True Christians™

As for Zacchaeus, please quote a specific verse from the KJV 1611. If you are talking about Luke 19, my Bible does not say anything about eating.

[Basilissa]

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If God hates sinners, then no one would be a Christian. John 3:16 is a good verse to check out for you.

Hello there, Doc! John 3:16 is a fine verse, indeed. It is so sad that most people don't read it in context. Let's try doing that, OK?

John 3:14-20
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

You see sweetie, everybody that died without accepting Jesus as his Savior (that includes babies who died in their infancy all over the world, and heathens in remote areas who never had the chance to meet any missionaries and therefore hear about Jesus), are condemned to death!

See, I figure, if Jesus really wanted to save everybody - every single soul - he would not allow people to die before they can learn about Him! Then, everybody would have had a choice - accept Jesus or not - which is a choice that millions and millions of people did not have.

Last time I checked, we were all sinners once. If God loved the WORLD then He loved the sinners. Another example is when he had a meal with Zacchaeus. Why would Jesus have a meal with someone He hates?

Jesus loves those sinners who repented, you mean. Of course - you can ask around, many of us True Christians™ used to be sinners. However, none of us have committed the unforgivable sin of blasphemy against the Holy Ghost (Mark 3:28-29).

And about the "True Christian" thing, I am just asking the owners of this site for an explanation.

We follow God's word to the letter. That makes us TRUE Christians. Most (actually, all that I've seen or heard about) of other churches cherry pick Our Lord's words, highlighting some verses and hiding others. They are false Christians. Recently I've run into an episcopalian priest, who was married - to another man! Can you imagine that?! That's exactly what I mean by false Christians. I've sent him a nice silver plated plaque spelling out Leviticus 20:13. He hasn't spoken to me since (I'm happy with that, goodness, that abomination of his might be contagious).

[Didymus Much]

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...Another example is when he had a meal with Zacchaeus. Why would Jesus have a meal with someone He hates?...

In view of your "doctorate", I'll just leave this here:

Matthew 9:12 "But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick."

What does this tell us about Jesus?

[Dr. Creation]

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Again i will say we have different beliefs. Let me research and get back to you on why God loves sinners. NOTE: I did not take John 3:16 out of context.

[gregincambodia]

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Again i will say we have different beliefs. Let me research and get back to you on why God loves sinners. NOTE: I did not take John 3:16 out of context.

If by "research" you mean reading the KJV 1611, then I am sure you will be able to correct your misconceptions. You may want to review your previous ten posts here; you will notice that you have referenced exactly one verse of the Bible. And yes, you did take John 3:16 out of context. Out of context, John 3:16 does seem to suggest that God loves everyone. In context John 3:16-18 clearly means that God only loves True Christians™ See how that works?

I hope that your Bible study bears fruit!

[Dr. Creation]

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If by in context you mean: "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." John 3:18.... that just means that only saved people will go to heaven, It does not mean he loves us anymore. In fact, I believe that if anything, and unsaved Jew is more precious to Jesus then anyone of the saved Americans. Correct me if I am wrong, but I always have been taught (even through Collage) that Jesus loves us all equally.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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Correct me if I am wrong, but I always have been taught (even through Collage) that Jesus loves us all equally.

You're wrong. The Bible itself will tell you otherwise. In fact, the idea “God loves everyone” is the greatest lie ever told. Why, you might as well say “God Is Imaginary, Just A Figment Of Your Imagination, A Caricature Of Long Long Ago Superimposed Onto Your Own Personal Moral Code." Consider the following people God Himself admits to hating:

"And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you:
for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them."
Leviticus 20:23

"And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images,
and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols,
and my soul shall abhor you."
Leviticus 26:30

"And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them,
because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters."
Deuteronomy 32:19

"The foolish shall not stand in thy sight:
thou hatest all workers of iniquity."
Psalm 5:5

"Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing:
the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man."
Psalm 5:6

"For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous,
whom the LORD abhorreth."
Psalm 10:3

"The LORD trieth the righteous:
but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth."
Psalm 11:5

"There were they in great fear, where no fear was:
for God hath scattered the bones of him that encampeth against thee:
thou hast put them to shame,
because God hath despised them."
Psalm 53:5

"When God heard this, he was wroth,
and greatly abhorred Israel:"
Psalm 78:59

"Therefore was the wrath of the LORD kindled against his people,
insomuch that he abhorred his own inheritance."
Psalm 106:40

"These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren."
Proverbs 6:16-19

"The mouth of strange women is a deep pit:
he that is abhorred of the LORD shall fall therein."
Proverbs 22:14

"And he hath violently taken away his tabernacle, as if it were of a garden:
he hath destroyed his places of the assembly:
the LORD hath caused the solemn feasts and sabbaths to be forgotten in Zion,
and hath despised in the indignation of his anger the king and the priest."
Lamentations 2:6 -

"All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them:
for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house,
I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters."
Hosea 9:15

"Three shepherds also I cut off in one month;
and my soul lothed them, and their soul also abhorred me."
Zechariah 11:8

"And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness."
Malachi 1:3

"As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."
Romans 9:13

Still think God loves everyone?

[gregincambodia]

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If by in context you mean: "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." John 3:18.... that just means that only saved people will go to heaven, It does not mean he loves us anymore.

Condemn:to express an unfavorable or adverse judgment on; indicate strong disapproval of; censure.

That is what it means, stop making stuff up.

In fact, I believe that if anything, and unsaved Jew is more precious to Jesus then anyone of the saved Americans. Correct me if I am wrong, but I always have been taught (even through Collage) that Jesus loves us all equally.

Why are you relying on crap that you were taught in Collage? Art school is probably the worst place to learn about Jesus. Pick up your KJV 1611 and read

[Basilissa]

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If by in context you mean: "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." John 3:18.... that just means that only saved people will go to heaven, It does not mean he loves us anymore.

If Jesus really loved everybody, He would not allow children to die before they are old enough to accept Him as their Savior. You do know that all unbaptized babies go to Hell, right?

In fact, I believe that if anything, and unsaved Jew is more precious to Jesus then anyone of the saved Americans.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I always have been taught (even through Collage) that Jesus loves us all equally.

And you were taught incorrectly. Ah, and collage is a work of art, while college is place you go to study.

[Didymus Much]

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...college is place you go to study.

Maybe he went to Flordia State.

[Dr. Creation]

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Correct. I did spell College wrong. But what I mean is God loves sinners. What I do not mean: God loves people who have rejected Him. If that clears anything up.
"Condemn:to express an unfavorable or adverse judgment on; indicate strong disapproval of; censure.

That is what it means, stop making stuff up."
You are just (in my perspective) taking the verse out of context. As I said I do believe slightly different than you do. But that all doesn't matter. I know Jesus as my savior. And Hopefully you do to

[Mary Etheldreda]

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Correct. I did spell College wrong. But what I mean is God loves sinners.

Hello?

What I do not mean: God loves people who have rejected Him. If that clears anything up.

No. It doesn't. To reject Christ is to sin (John 14:15; James 2:10). Either He loves people who reject Him, or He doesn't. You're suggesting you know better than He whom He hates. Now, why do you suppose we should trust you over Him? What wonderful, miraculous insight has He denied His faithful lo these 2000 years just to secretly place it in your mind and your mind alone?

That is what it means, stop making stuff up."

Are you angry at us now or the Bible, for writing what's in the Bible?

You are just (in my perspective) taking the verse out of context. As I said I do believe slightly different than you do. But that all doesn't matter. I know Jesus as my savior. And Hopefully you do to

Well that's an interesting conundrum, dear. You may think and even sincerely believe Jesus is your Savior, but in your state of Scriptural ignorance you simply cannot know. You're really trusting your own personal opinion here, do you see? You're elevating your own conscience above the Word of God. This is most obvious when you continuously rearrange the Scriptures to lose meaning when they interfere with your comfortable beliefs. You may be fooling yourself son, but not us. Certainly not the LORD.

Why not open your heart and read the words that are really on the page? Why not trust the LORD to mean what He says, and say what He means?

[Dr. Creation]

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As I have been told this is not a debate forum. So please don't debate over my beliefs here please. I stated what I believe, and it is not subject to change. I have a firm conviction, and I am 100% my salvation is true. I may lack in knowledge of the Bible. Surprises me though because I read the same passages you people give me to back up your statement, and I still get a whole different thing out of it. To me, it seems this whole Forum takes the Bible out of context. Again, this is just what I believe, and I wish to stop disusing this now.