[Lawful redeemer]

Re: Atheists: Deluded Fools Living in Denial

The founding fathers were atheist/deist. They were not Christian. Time to get rid of the constitution and rewrite it for a Christian America!

So I get a 42 point penalty for pointing out the truth. None of the founding fathers were inherently Christian in their belief system. Please do some research on this. I'll start you with this.

http://www.britannica.com/blogs/2007/02/the-us-founding-fathers-their-religious-beliefs/

[Bobby-Joe]

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So I get a 42 point penalty for pointing out the truth. None of the founding fathers were inherently Christian in their belief system. Please do some research on this. I'll start you with this.

http://www.britannica.com/blogs/2007...gious-beliefs/

Who wrote this? Atheists.

What group always lies about what they believe? Atheists.

The Founding Fathers were all good Bible Based Christians. The only reason they claimed to be Atheists was they were being persecuted by the English.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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Ok, I'm just going to say one thing, quoting scripture isn't going to work with atheists because they don't believe in the bible so theirs really no point in trying to use scripture as evidence for them.

Well, I don't believe in the bible so I don't see it as evidence.

So you're an atheist. No point in you being on a Christian church's discussion forum, is there?

The founding fathers were atheist/deist. They were not Christian.

Please start by learning the difference between atheism and deism. They are vastly different. A Deist, for example, would support the teaching of Intelligent Design in schools; it's the foundation of their belief system.

Then, provide documentation that any one of the Founding Fathers was an atheist.

From blog post you cited:

Franklin and Jefferson were deists, Washington harbored a pantheistic sense of providential destiny, John Adams began a Congregationalist and ended a Unitarian, Hamilton was a lukewarm Anglican.

No atheists. Not one.

[Chaz1218]

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Oh really?
So what's your favourite Bible verse then?

Psalms 14:1

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT!

I no longer wish to be an atheist I want to be a Christian and I am deeply sorry if I have offended anyone on this forum.

Are you a lesbian pervert?

[Dr Laurence Niles]

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How are you sure that the Bible is correct. If the bible is 100% correct, women are forced to marry their rapist.

Well done!

By invoking Nile's Law (the longer the interweb discussion goes on the probability of an atheist asking for 'proof' of the Bible approaches one), you have just done so and effectively lost the argument.

YIC

[MitzaLizalor]

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Forced? ..what Christian woman would be anything other than EAGER to comply with God's Loving Commandment?

We owe Him our lives, we so belong to Him.

I Corinthians 7:23 Ye are bought with a price, be not ye the seruants of men.
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[Baxter Gladwell III]

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I have to chuckle any time I hear someone claim to not believe in the LORD. The verses cited in this anointed teaching clearly indicate that disbelief in God is an impossibility. And yet "atheists" think they're the smart ones, for believing that which is LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE. I often wonder what possible role such SUPERFLUOUS, NONSENSICAL IMBECILES could play in God's Divine Plan? My guess is that he just wants to give us someone to look down upon and feel reassured in our SPIRITUAL SUPERIORITY. Praise and hosanna!

[Mary Etheldreda]

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I have to chuckle any time I hear someone claim to not believe in the LORD. The verses cited in this anointed teaching clearly indicate that disbelief in God is an impossibility. And yet "atheists" think they're the smart ones, for believing that which is LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE. I often wonder what possible role such SUPERFLUOUS, NONSENSICAL IMBECILES could play in God's Divine Plan? My guess is that he just wants to give us someone to look down upon and feel reassured in our SPIRITUAL SUPERIORITY. Praise and hosanna!

Friend, it looks as if we will share the last laugh with Jesus, as secular scientists are now discovering that atheism is an impossible condition for the Human Mind!

Scientists Say Atheists May Not Exist!

According to recent research, atheists may not actually exist! In an article for Science 2.0, Nury Vittachi wrote that the way human brains are wired seems to make it impossible for someone to actually be a true atheist.

Nury writes, “Cognitive scientists are becoming increasingly aware that a metaphysical outlook may be so deeply ingrained in human thought processes that it cannot be expunged.” He goes on to say that “this line of thought has led to some scientists claiming that ‘atheism is psychologically impossible because of the way humans think.’” Vittachi highlights the tendency for humans all over the world to believe in God, spirituality, the immortality of the soul, and the ultimate triumph of justice.

Of course, according to Vittachi, this must have some kind of evolutionary explanation: “If a tendency to believe in the reality of an intangible network is so deeply wired into humanity, the implication is that it must have an evolutionary purpose.”

Well, God’s Word has already been saying that there are no true atheists! I find it ironic that they have basically come to a biblical conclusion through a secular starting point and still have to attribute it to their religion of evolution. Also, they are trying to give an explanation to something that cannot be explained by natural means. Here is what the Bible says:

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things. (Romans 1:18–23)

People know that God exists, not because this knowledge has an evolutionary advantage, but because God has given each person the ability to know He exists—and thus those who choose to reject God are “without excuse” for their disbelief.

Someday every single person will stand before God and be held accountable for their sins (John 3:18; 2 Thessalonians 2:12). Sadly, many people will face God’s wrath and judgment because they refused to receive God’s Son, Jesus Christ, as their Savior. Jesus Christ has paid the penalty of death that we all deserve because of our sin in Adam. Scripture says, “If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved” (Romans 10:9).

[MitzaLizalor]

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Friend, it looks as if we will share the last laugh with Jesus, as secular scientists are now discovering that atheism is an impossible condition for the Human Mind!

Scientists Say Atheists May Not Exist!

It is always a disappointment when people turn to secularist pseudo-science seeking support for God's Inerrant Word and Ken Ham is starting to give me concerns. In that article he quotes from the Science 2.0 blog, citing their remarks as supporting creation. Remarks like this:

When two giant LIGO detectors are switched on in the US next year, they will help scientists pick up the faint ripples of black hole collisions millions of years ago, known as gravitational waves.

Black holes cannot be seen, but scientists hope the revamped detectors, which act like giant microphones, will find remnants of black hole collisions - and theoretical physicists hope experimentalists will give validation for their numerical model.

from Gravitational Waves Could Unlock Secrets Of The Black Hole Universe

There is no such thing as "millions of years ago" so I'm wondering why Ken Ham is looking to sources such as this, sources flying in the face of what I thought Ken Ham stood for. Remember how in the debate with Nye we were so encouraged to see someone prepared to stand up for Jesus?

Now I'm beginning to think Ken Ham just cherry picks whatever suits his purpose from any source without checking or even caring what young minds will encounter when they follow his link!

I did. I got the millions-of-years stuff straight away! Did Ken Ham not know that would happen? When Answers in Genesis or whatever Ham calls himself today starts trawling this sort of stuff rather than quoting Scripture like he did in the debate I begin to wonder, Mrs Etheldreda.

God beliefs therefore must have some evolutionary advantage, it was suggested. Really? Why is that? If we are all just animals relying on evolutionary "advantages" to survive, why then in their model has virtually everything "evolving" evolved into extinction?

Take Megaloceros, or the Irish Elk, now extinct. And why not quote Berkeley? They suggest that its evolutionary selection for extremely large antlers (due to their burdensome weight) might not be the cause of its going extinct but whatever the cause was in this realm of atheistic godlessness it was the result of evolution by selection either for disadvantageous traits or for traits that were unable to cope with environmental change.

Unable to adapt to the subartic conditions of the last glaciation or the marked transition that occured after the final retreat of the ice sheet, the largest deer that ever lived became extinct, the last one in Ireland dying around 11,000 years ago. Megaloceros may have possibly survived in continental Europe into historic times.

Beyond its arresting size and singular appearance, the giant deer is of great significance to paleontologists because of the way in which the animal has become involved in evolutionary debates down through the years.

http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/mammal/artio/irishelk.html

In the pseudo-science of Darwinistic evolution just because something is selected for does not mean it's an advantage. In the following chart I'll list 3 "animal species" as an example.


species . . . . . . . characteristic . . . . . . selected by . . . . . outcome . . . . . . . advantage?
IRISH ELK . . . . . . enormous antlers . . . . . evolution . . . . . . extinction . . . . . .NO
HUMANS . . . . . . . .God beliefs . . . . . . . .evolution . . . . . . not known . . . . . . NOT KNOWN
PARASITE WASP . . . . radiation resistance . . . evolution . . . . . . survives nuking . . . YES


For someone prepared to cite a deep time affirming source in support of their Creationist stance a chart like that makes perfect sense. Ken Ham is such a person.

For someone who puts their trust in The Bible this is not an option.

In the deep time model there is NO EVE.
Therefore there is NO ORIGINAL SIN.
As a result, they must argue, WE DO NOT NEED JESUS.
And since He is unnecessary WAS HE EVEN BORN?
Before you know it His ascension is dismissed as ridiculous because, and they cannot avoid this,
there is NOTHING FOR HIM TO ASCEND INTO.

Ken Ham seems happy to accept such a source. Bible Believing Christians are not.

[BecauseIPolack (On Moderation)]

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I got warning for saying a sentence, yet obsessed christian calls atheists fools, nice, praise the lord.

I don't really believe in god, why? Because there is no logic to it, i believe in logic, god has no logic what so ever.

What i hate also is the opinions christians have, christians are far more rude than atheist, because they believe in god and think we atheists are subhuman or something.

[Zechariah Smyth]

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I got warning for saying a sentence, yet obsessed christian calls atheists fools, nice, praise the lord.

I don't really believe in god, why? Because there is no logic to it, i believe in logic, god has no logic what so ever.

What i hate also is the opinions christians have, christians are far more rude than atheist, because they believe in god and think we atheists are subhuman or something.

We're rude? You come in here spitting in the sweet, sweet face of Jesus, not introducing yourself, flaunting the forum rules, and WE'RE the rude ones?



Jesus-haters never fail to amaze me with their hypocrisy and short-sightedness.

[John Creeser]

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I got warning for saying a sentence, yet obsessed christian calls atheists fools, nice, praise the lord.

I don't really believe in god, why? Because there is no logic to it, i believe in logic, god has no logic what so ever.

What i hate also is the opinions christians have, christians are far more rude than atheist, because they believe in god and think we atheists are subhuman or something.

Hey charcoal, here is some logic for you;

Psalm 14:1

We're not rude, it's called tough love. God tells us we have to spread his word to all;

II Timothy 4:2-5
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

[BecauseIPolack (On Moderation)]

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That's rather funny calling me hypocrite , tell me, why would i need to introduce myself? I am here to share my opinions on certain topics, not here to be friends with you super believers.

Calling smart people fools is rather disrespectful, please accept it, no matter if christian or atheist, we still need to respect eachother right?

This discussion will never end , because why? Atheists say give us proof of god existance, christians say Bible, then christian say give us proof of god not existing. What is this? Bible is written by people, and let me tell you, people are the biggest liars on earth, look at all those legends, hercules, achilles, whatever, people made up most of the stories lol. I have strong character, i follow my brain , i don't get manipulated by someone who tells me to believe something BECAUSE, BECAUSE nothing.

If god exists then we need to believe in super powers, because someone who has all the power to creat earth , wow, that's better than superman.

[John Creeser]

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If god exists then we need to believe in super powers, because someone who has all the power to creat earth , wow, that's better than superman.

You're comparing God to Superman? You know Superman is a comic book hero, right? We know God exists because the Bible says so;

2nd Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Habakkuk 2:2 And the LORD answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it.