[Elmer G. White]

Re: Catholiest

Dear Catholic,

Please consider the following issues that are integral parts of the Catholic doctrine but oppose the very notion of "Christianity as a religion that depends on Christ".

But first: Why is it clear that a Catholic cannot be a Christian? Because there are few things that are absolutely required to make a person Christian:

• Belief in One God (Exodus 3:14) who is also Three in the Holy Trinity (John 10:30).
• Belief in one God who Created Everything in 6 days (Genesis 1:1).
• Understanding the fact that the first woman sinned and caused the Fall (Genesis 3:6). We still pay the prize unless we accept Jesus!
• Accepting that Jesus died for our sins (Mark 15:25). He is God (John 10:30). Without Him there is no Salvation (John 3:16), Jesus is absolutely necessary!
  
• The realization that unbelievers go into Hell that is as real® as Jesus (John 3:18).

Do you accept these criteria? That would be wonderful, but the Catholic Church doesn't!

Your Pope does not think that Jesus is required for Salvation. Francis says, in fact, that you can be an unbeliever and go to Heaven.

Francis wrote: “You ask me if the God of the Christians forgives those who don’t believe and who don’t seek the faith. I start by saying – and this is the fundamental thing – that God’s mercy has no limits if you go to him with a sincere and contrite heart. The issue for those who do not believe in God is to obey their conscience.

This contradicts Jesus. Look at the Words He uttered in the Bible:

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Your "Church" accepts those who do not follow Jesus to be "Saved", it endorses Jew and Muslim Salvation (compare with, e.g., John 14:6).

The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

In fact, Your Church places Muslims first. Christians are a distant fourth (after Jews and atheists, I surmise)! Do you accept these dogma that are in the Catechism of your "Church"? Do you actually know what you clergy is teaching you? Of course, it would be nice if everyone got into Heaven regardless if they believe in Jesus Christ but, frankly, what would be the point of worship, obedience, or the Bible in that case?

I'm looking forward to your answers.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Cotholiest]

Re: Catholiest

Dear Cotholiest,

You have received an infraction at The Landover Baptist Church Forum.

Reason: Whining like Satan's Spawn Being Impaled after a very well-deserved infraction
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Friend, we all make mistakes. You've made more than most. Probably enough to make Jesus weep
Man up and admit you are an embarrassment to the concept of Christianity.

YES! I get an infraction for calling BS on my last infraction! You don't like to be exposed do you?


Further more, just to document this, my signature has been removed and in its place I have been informed this space reserved for scripture, yet I see plenty of non scriptural signatures, including this one below from the guy who called me a bigot?




Revel in the Diversity of Life that God has given us.
Racism is a Crime
and crime is what Black people do.

You guys are truly a a blessing to a sinner like me.

[Thomas Taylor]

Re: Catholiest

Dear Cotillion,


Your approach to this is all wrong. Why all the anger? Were you abused and groomed by your local parish priest? Did your bishop touch you in an inappropriate manner? Were you the altar boy who always had to stay behind to polish the banisters?


Don't worry, there is still hope for you. By coming here you have taken the first step in your journey with Jesus as your Lord and Savior. I hope you find it pleasant and that it gives you Peace.


Jeremiah 29:11 - For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.


God be with you.


YIC
TT

[Cotholiest]

Re: Catholiest

To Break this down, my response in blue.


Dear Catholic,

Please consider the following issues that are integral parts of the Catholic doctrine but oppose the very notion of "Christianity as a religion that depends on Christ".

But first: Why is it clear that a Catholic cannot be a Christian? Because there are few things that are absolutely required to make a person Christian:

• Belief in One God (Exodus 3:14) who is also Three in the Holy Trinity (John 10:30).
• Belief in one God who Created Everything in 6 days (Genesis 1:1).
• Understanding the fact that the first woman sinned and caused the Fall (Genesis 3:6). We still pay the prize unless we accept Jesus!
• Accepting that Jesus died for our sins (Mark 15:25). He is God (John 10:30). Without Him there is no Salvation (John 3:16), Jesus is absolutely necessary!
  
• The realization that unbelievers go into Hell that is as real® as Jesus (John 3:18).

Do you accept these criteria? That would be wonderful, but the Catholic Church doesn't! CATHOLICS believe all of this.If you had actual knowledge of Catholic teaching you would know this. What you try to state below about Francis you have misconstrued as you often do your Bible. Catholics believe that we do not know the will of God, therefore are unable to condemn others to hell, you know, like you guys do.

Your Pope does not think that Jesus is required for Salvation. Francis says, in fact, that you can be an unbeliever and go to Heaven. This contradicts Jesus. Look at the Words He uttered in the Bible:

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Your "Church" accepts those who do not follow Jesus to be "Saved", it endorses Jew and Muslim Salvation (compare with, e.g., John 14:6). In fact, Your Church places Muslims first. Christians are a distant fourth (after Jews and atheists, I surmise)! Do you accept these dogma that are in the Catechism of your "Church"? Do you actually know what you clergy is teaching you? Of course, it would be nice if everyone got into Heaven regardless if they believe in Jesus Christ but, frankly, what would be the point of worship, obedience, or the Bible in that case?
This, just wow, this. Could you site the Catechism on this please?
I'm looking forward to your answers.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer [/QUOTE]

[Cotholiest]

Re: Catholiest

Dear Cotillion,


Your approach to this is all wrong. Why all the anger? Were you abused and groomed by your local parish priest? Did your bishop touch you in an inappropriate manner? Were you the altar boy who always had to stay behind to polish the banisters?


Don't worry, there is still hope for you. By coming here you have taken the first step in your journey with Jesus as your Lord and Savior. I hope you find it pleasant and that it gives you Peace.


Jeremiah 29:11 - For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.


God be with you.


YIC
TT

You're so funny, all Catholic clergy are pedophiles...and there have been no sex scandals in the protestant world Move along funny man

[Thomas Taylor]

Re: Catholiest

You're so funny, all Catholic clergy are pedophiles...and there have been no sex scandals in the protestant world Move along funny man

Dear Cotholiest,


You're not a very nice person are you? All I did was ask a few polite questions and welcome you to the forum and you call me names. Did the questions cut a little close to the bone? Did they bring back dark memories of a traumatized childhood? Did they remind you of waking at night to the sound of your bedroom door opening?
At least we agree on one thing with regards to priests and their special relationship with children.


When you were a child were you not trained in the Word and Ways of God? Were you not shown the True Path?


Proverbs 22:6 - Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.


Obviously you, with the attitude you have, were not trained properly.


I will say a little prayer for you.


YIC
TT

[Elmer G. White]

Re: Catholiest

[my post] Your "Church" accepts those who do not follow Jesus to be "Saved", it endorses Jew and Muslim Salvation (compare with, e.g., John 14:6). In fact, Your Church places Muslims first. Christians are a distant fourth (after Jews and atheists, I surmise)! Do you accept these dogma that are in the Catechism of your "Church"? Do you actually know what you clergy is teaching you? Of course, it would be nice if everyone got into Heaven regardless if they believe in Jesus Christ but, frankly, what would be the point of worship, obedience, or the Bible in that case?
[your reply]This, just wow, this. Could you site the Catechism on this please?

In fact, I cited it previously. Please read our posts carefully before you burst into dismissal.

Here it is again.

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

It was also available as a link. You could have clicked the words "Muslim salvation" to reach the document.

Another way is to choose the icon below:



Verily, you say that you believe everything on the list I posted. That is wonderful. However. If Francis says that atheists can be Saved, then Jesus is in his opinion unnecessary. If your doctrine says that those who do not accept Jesus as the one necessary tool for Salvation can also be Saved, then Jesus is unnecessary for the Catholic Doctrine. How do you rationalize this with the verse below?

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

I am very pleased if you don't accept those aspects of the Catholics. Of course, in that case you would not be a Catholic in the first place.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Mister Brasil]

Re: Catholiest

I know, I just mussssst be gay. Sorry, I'm not.

So first you didn't like teats, now you like teats. Just like how you were a protestant in your crazy college years. That's fine, great. If you can stick around, I think you'll find that you have that in common with a lot of the people on this forum.

But it seems I struck a nerve. So I apologize. We can talk about this later, when we've established a friendship rooted in a shared, total appreciation for God and His Word.

I often lean towards confusion.

I understand. It's okay. Forget it for now. In a couple of days, months, years, whatever, you can go back and re-read the statement and just laugh. It'll be so much fun to look back.

You Follow your interpretation of the law of God.

Well, no. That's what's special about Landover Baptist Church. We take every effort to avoid interpretation. Regardless of how un-PC that makes us. We find love and acceptance in Jesus Christ. We don't need liberal feminists to love us because He loves us. We know that the world hates us. Jesus told us to expect that hate-- to expect your hate.

John 15: 19:

If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

Don't you see? God told us you were coming, with a beam in your eye and "Physician heal thyself!" on your tongue.

You must not be able to either, look at you all snarky implying that I must be a homosexual.

Again. I'm so sorry. I can easily see how you read it that way. We'll come back to your homosexuality, or lack thereof, later. God has so much to say about how to live properly. It's like a standardized test-- if it's too hard, skip it for now, and hopefully you'll have time for it before the buzzer.

I don't have modern prejudices, only prejudices put in place by your own people.

Your modern prejudices are completely apparent. I know you don't see them. That's okay for right now. All you have to do is read the Bible! And when you see something like,

1 Timothy 4: 1-3:

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats,
which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

You just have to read something like that and throw away everything you've ever learned, you know? Because we live in latter times, and some have departed from the faith, and they seduce. Am I seduced? Are you seduced? Jesus knows which, and He warned us, He told us how to identify the lying, hypocritical doctrines of devils, so that God isn't forced (well not forced, for He is all-powerful) to consign us to the lake of fire, because that is God's love for us.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Catholiest

You have been through this before, I wonder how many times and what the common denominator has been.

If you genuinely wonder and aren't simply using name-calling as an argument, you can start by reading the sermon to which I linked and telling us why you agree or disagree with it.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Catholiest

You're so funny, all Catholic clergy are pedophiles...and there have been no sex scandals in the Protestant world Move along funny man

This is one of the arguments that I find most difficult to address.

Not from the point of view that Baptists are neither "Catholic" (I think that much is obvious) nor "Protestant" we are Baptists, first and only but that, if you examine it, the argument boils down to "Your sinning justifies (or at least excuses) my sinning."

And to be quite frank, from any moral point of view, that is abhorrent.

Is that one of the things you learned from your "Apologetics"?

If so, that alone should be enough to inform you that Catholicism is "of Satan."

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Catholiest

Is it over so soon? I was waiting for our new friend or any other Catholic to tell us in his own words what Ephesians 2:8-9 means.