Catholiest

[Cotholiest]

Well, I guess this is where I introduce myself. I'm not really all that interested in that aspect of this forum, but I'll bite. I am Catholic, even though not really practicing currently I do still believe that if you are going to practice Christianity you should practice it in its pure unbastardised form. I grew up in the crazy church (protestant), had the crazy church pounded into my head, and went the non religious route for most of my life because I'm not insane enough to take that pill, until I decided I wanted something more and sought out my conversion to Catholicism.

I still defend the Catholic position, and have studied apologetics at length. I haven't left the church, but am on hiatus, organised religious life isn't for everyone.




But that isn't why I'm here. I'm here because I have been personally persecuted by the likes of protestants to pretty great length. It is my mission to expose the true nature of this hate-fueled beast as has been my experience for 35 years, and I just happened to his onto this forum doing a web search and can't believe that this even exists. This is a joke right? You are all just one huge troll aren't you? I have seen some of the nastiest comments on this forum coming from so-called Christian people that if I hadn't personally already experienced it, I wouldn't believe this is possible. But you're real, I know it. You exist like a cancer, hiding in the darkness. You are despicable, and if your own religion is correct, you're all going to "burn" in just the manner you like to spout your mouths about. You claim to read your Bible, and if you do I guess you have the reading comprehension skills of a pre-schooler.


But, I digress. I know, I'm going to hell...there I beat you to the punch. Hi Forum!

[Didymus Much]

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...You claim to read your Bible, and if you do I guess you have the reading comprehension skills of a pre-schooler...

And next is where the guy who didn't tell us what his favourite Bible verse is or how he found Jesus points out exactly which Scripture from the KJV the True Christians™ aren't getting, instead of passing off an unsubstantiated blanket accusation as somehow making a case for anything.

Hi.

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

Re: Catholiest

Welcome to our Godly forum Catholio. Before you get off on an unsubstantiated rant here and embarrass yourself, you might want to become acquainted with our scholarly works on just why the Roman religion is not Christian.

Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=7490

Please disregard the remarks of the heathen Mr. Much here, we are sympathetic to cathylicks who come here and don't have a favorite Bible (KJV1611) verse - we know that cathylicks don't read the Bible themselves but have a bureaucratic army of priests and clergy that tell them what to think.

[Basilissa]

Re: Catholiest

Well, I guess this is where I introduce myself. I'm not really all that interested in that aspect of this forum, but I'll bite. I am Catholic, even though not really practicing currently I do still believe that if you are going to practice Christianity you should practice it in its pure unbastardised form.

Hello and to our forum. If you truly want to find a church that practices in almost the same way as the earliest Christian churches, then you need to travel to the Middle East, and ask which of the Arabs belong to the Syriac Orthodox Church. The Chaldean church in Iraq and other Eastern Orthodox churches will do as well, although (as far as I know) the Syriac church is the only one that conducts their services services in Aramaic, so that would make their practice truly closest to the original pure unbastardized form. (Meaning the earliest Eucharist services as we understand it, which began around 3rd century, because the truly original agape feasts as described in the New Testaments were just great occasions to overeat and overdrink, and were eventually forbidden).

Just don't bring up the Council of Chalcedon when you engage in a conversation with them. You'll have to cope with miaphysitism if you truly value orthopraxy over orthodoxy.

[Cotholiest]

Re: Catholiest

Welcome to our Godly forum Catholio. Before you get off on an unsubstantiated rant here and embarrass yourself, you might want to become acquainted with our scholarly works on just why the Roman religion is not Christian.
Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians</b><br>
&lt;a href="http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=7490" target="_blank"&gt;http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=7490&lt;/a&gt;<br>
Please disregard the remarks of the heathen Mr. Much here, we are sympathetic to cathylicks who come here and don't have a favorite Bible (KJV1611) verse - we know that cathylicks don't read the Bible themselves but have a bureaucratic army of priests and clergy that tell them what to think.

I never had any intentions of spewing unsubstantiated rants. I am already very well acquainted with the fallacies in the quoted link, you won't give me an argument I have not heard.


But since you insisted on going there (I even stated this wasn't my reason for posting here) I will answer just one of the bullet points in that posting, and I will do so using only your Bible, which you insist no Catholic has ever read, but you will proceed to tell me why I am wrong anyways. To that point I will not care, and will probably feel some compulsory need to post a rebuttal, I probably won't though as I do not really value your opinion on Catholic Doctrine and your lack of knowledge therein. I have a hard time believing that a sect such as this can put so much emphasis on tearing down the Church that was responsible for founding your own religion (Yes that is fact you cannot deny, you would have no church, no Bible, none of it would exist were it not for the Church you condemn. Sure you only took the parts from it you wanted, added your own misinterpretations of the Bible you cling to in sola scriptura, and viola here we are 500 years later)...well that went off tangently so back on point, you are so worried about telling me I am not a Christian because I'm catholic, not practicing either by the way like I said but am still a Catholic at heart, when you should be worried about the hate and ignorance that spews from your own mouths and pulpits.


Anyways back on point.
CATHOLIC TRADITION - Saved, in part, by good works.
This is true, and you didn't even go so far as to say "by works alone" Bravo, good on you! Well, here is scriptural proof on that Catholic teaching.


The Bible is clear that faith holds a first and prominent role in the salvation of every person.
Heb 10:38But my just one shall live by faith ...

Heb 11:6But without faith it is impossible to please him (God) ...The Bible is equally clear on the saving role of good works in the lives of the faithful.
1 Pet 2:12Maintain good conduct among the Gentiles, so that if they speak of you as evildoers, they may observe your good works and glorify God on the day of visitation.
Rev 2:2I know your works, your labor, and your endurance ...
Mt 5:16Just so, your light must shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your heavenly Father.
Mt 16:27For the Son of Man will come with his angels in his Father's glory, and then he will repay everyone according to his conduct.
Mt 25:34-36Then the king will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father. Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me, naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.'The Bible makes it clear that there must be a balanced relationship between our faith and its expression in good works.
James 2:14-18What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister has nothing to wear and has no food for the day, and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, keep warm, and eat well," but you do not give them the necessities of the body, what good is it? So also faith of itself, if it does not have works, is dead. Indeed someone might say, "You have faith and I have works." Demonstrate your faith to me without works, and I will demonstrate my faith to you from my works.
1 Cor 15:58Therefore, my beloved brothers, be firm, steadfast, always fully devoted to the work of the Lord, knowing that in the Lord your labor is not in vain.
Heb 6:10For God is not unjust so as to overlook your work and the love you have demonstrated for his name by having served and continuing to serve the holy ones.
James 2:20-22Do you want proof, you ignoramus, that faith without works is useless? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar? You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by the works.
Mt 16:27For the Son of Man will come with his angels in his Father's glory, and then he will repay everyone according to his conduct.
1 Cor 3:8The one who plants and the one who waters are equal, and each will receive wages in proportion to his labor.
Col 3:23-24Whatever you do, do from the heart, as for the Lord and not for others, knowing that you will receive from the Lord the due payment of the inheritance.


Now lets be real here. I did not post all of that because I really wanted to have an answer to your Catholic hating post. I do not care what you think, and your opinion will not change by the fact I posted scriptures from your own Bible to show you how you are wrong. You will continue to interpret all things in your own ways. I'm cool with it, you do you. But that is the problem, you are all far too concerned about what everyone else is doing when you should really be doing your own house cleaning.


About me not posting my Favorite KJV verse...that would be rather difficult but not for the reasons you snarkily listed. &nbsp;I certainly would never post any Bible verse from an invalid interpretation of the text. I also do not value any one scripture over another, and find it trivial to call one scripture "favorite".


Contrary to what you may believe I have read and studied the Bible cover to cover, that's what 6 years of fundamentalist Christian parochial school gets you. I know very well the dangers and how damaging your religion is first hand. I have also attended many Catholic Bible studies, yes they exists contrary to your ignorant comments. Its so easy for you to spew lies about Catholicism when you have no firsthand knowledge of how things really are. You just believe what you are fed by your pastors, by your Swaggarts and your Grahams. Ok maybe not Swaggarts, I guess this is the wrong forum for that but you're all in quite the same proverbial boat. But you know what, I know what goes on in your institutions, I know the hate, I know the lies, I know the scandal, and I will expose you all.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Catholiest

Contrary to what you may believe I have read and studied the Bible cover to cover, that's what 6 years of fundamentalist Christian parochial school gets you. I know very well the dangers and how damaging your religion is first hand. I have also attended many Catholic Bible studies, yes they exists contrary to your ignorant comments. Its so easy for you to spew lies about Catholicism when you have no firsthand knowledge of how things really are. You just believe what you are fed by your pastors, by your Swaggarts and your Grahams. Ok maybe not Swaggarts, I guess this is the wrong forum for that but you're all in quite the same proverbial boat. But you know what, I know what goes on in your institutions, I know the hate, I know the lies, I know the scandal, and I will expose you all.

Lighten up, Francis. Some of us were dedicated and faithful Catholics while you were still sucking on your mother's teat. Your rude and hostile approach is not only inappropriate, it's ineffective if you wish to learn anything. Settle down. No one wants to fight you. We're a peaceful and humble congregation. We are the Living Body of Christ.

[James Hutchins]

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Welcome friend, you certainly seem to have put on a hat that had a hornets nest in it. Sadly, it is not the firs time I have met a person just like you. A life of being raped by a catlick 'priest' allthe while being told that it is to suck the demons from you. It can confuse the young mind. Add to that all the lies and deceit and no wonder you are upset. I am upset just thinking ove and over about the horrors you've undoubtedly experienced.
The best advice I can give you is to read the KJV Bible and know is the True Word of God. Live by it. Do not question or skip any of it. God would not of spent his valuable time having it ghost written if it was not the most critical work of literature in all of mankind.
I also suggest you share by posting here or if that makes you nervous, by writing to the Pastor of LBC, a complete and full description of ever single detail (and selfies, if you have them) of the depredation the catliclk 'chuch' put you though. Do not leave anything out.
Jesus will be at your side, holding your hand and rubbing you leg to comfort you as He listens with rapt attention to your sordid story. Give yourself to Him and He will provide the release you are crying out for..

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Catholiest

Anyways back on point.
CATHOLIC TRADITION - Saved, in part, by good works.
This is true, and you didn't even go so far as to say "by works alone" Bravo, good on you! Well, here is scriptural proof on that Catholic teaching.

Dear friend:

You appear to have overlooked the difference between salvation and reward. Yes, we know that Jesus will reward us according to our works, but salvation is still by grace through faith, rather than works (emphasis added):

Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV: 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

2 Timothy 1:9 KJV: 9 Who hath saved us, and called [us] with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Titus 3:4-7 KJV: 4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, 5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

[Cotholiest]

Re: Catholiest

Lighten up, Francis. Some of us were dedicated and faithful Catholics while you were still sucking on your mother's teat. Your rude and hostile approach is not only inappropriate, it's ineffective if you wish to learn anything. Settle down. No one wants to fight you. We're a peaceful and humble congregation. We are the Living Body of Christ.

LOL, first my name isn't Francis. Second, and it strikes me as funny that you feel the need to mention my mother's teat because I have had to have certain conversations with other "True Christians" about reference to other's genitals or otherwise private parts, why do you always feel the need to use those references? How do you even know I ever even sucked on any teat? ANd what exactly does that mean, some of you were dedicated and faithful catholics before me...ah the cradle Catholic superiority complex...but you aren't even Catholic anymore? Man you guys are confusing.


I was not hostile, I would say I'm sorry you feel that way (a strategy I learned from Louis Hay that I find quite effective when dealing with unreasonable people), but I'm not. I am sick and tired of the hostile approach your lot seems to have, and I am simply not having it anymore. You are a peaceful and humble congregation, yet I see posts on your forum referring to others as "fags" and other such obscenities, yet I am the one receiving a message as an infraction....from none other than you. Ya, I'll address that too, then you can ban me, because that's the easy thing for you to do.




"Dear Cotholiest,

You have received an infraction at The Landover Baptist Church Forum.

Reason: Insolent Backsass To A True Christian™ (Its disturbing you address this in such a manner, as if I am a lower life form and as such I must receive the arrogance of a "true christian" without question and not have my own snarky attitude in response? This is the internet lady, everyone is snarky. This scares me the most, its like welcome to the Third Reich)
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Hi and welcome to our friendly forums! I know you're just as happy as I am to talk about Jesus and all He's done for you lately, but we do have a few ground rules here. While participating on our forums, you are expected to be respectful to your betters(You and your ilk are not my betters and never will be, but hey this fits right in with your fascist schism), which includes all True Christians™. Respect includes, but is not limited to, refraining from debate, mockery, ridicule, or any commentary intended to pull people away from their faith. (Ah yes, in other words you can't be contradicted or I will be banned, got it. Also you can mock anyone you should desire but since I'm not a "True Christian" I don't receive that privilege. I know my place in the hierarchy see!)

While at Landover Baptist Forums, please keep in mind that you are making a public contribution to the fact that the Bible is the Infallible Word of God, and Jesus Christ is the Final Authority in all things related to the faith and morals. Should you care to share your personal opinion, kindly back it up with the Holy Bible, Chapter and Verse, in which the LORD says it first.(HM, can you read? I very kindly offered a score of references from the Bible, I guess you didn't see that because you were too focused on making yourself my better)Please read THIS thread before posting any more foolishness. Finally, your rights can be found HERE. (You don't really tell me my rights, I don't bow or conform to your ideology and that is clearly a problem for you. I'll tell you your rights though, you have the right to ban me so go ahead, I don't care I will continue to expose your religion for what it is elsewhere, you can censor me here and exercise your need to remain unopposed. I'm fine with that, you can't shut me up otherwise and I'll keep your message as yet another example in my story)

Failure to abide by these guidelines may suspend or terminate your posting privileges.

Your humble servant in Christ,

Mrs. Etheldreda, moderator

I'll go ahead and wrap up my short stay here. There is something you fundies should study in your Bible.


John 13:34-35


34 I give you a new commandment: love one another. As I have loved you, so you also should love one another. 35 This is how all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”


Clean your own back yard, stop spreading hate, and maybe if you focus on the fore mentioned verse you won't be seen as the hate mongers you are. I know it doesn't have affect on you when an outsider says these things to you, but you should, because they are said with reason.


Now....Revoke those privileges sister!!!!

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Catholiest

ANd what exactly does that mean, some of you were dedicated and faithful catholics before me...ah the cradle Catholic superiority complex...but you aren't even Catholic anymore? Man you guys are confusing.

It means exactly what it says on the wrapper, dear friend. Some of us were devout Catholics until we read the Bible for ourselves and saw the truth.

John 13:34-35


34 I give you a new commandment: love one another. As I have loved you, so you also should love one another. 35 This is how all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”

We've been through this before.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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I am Catholic, even though not really practicing currently I do still believe that if you are going to practice Christianity you should practice it in its pure unbastardised form.

Well, that is a paradox if ever I saw one. Catholicism is the most bastardized form of any social group claiming to be a "religion."

I'm here because I have been personally persecuted by the likes of protestants* to pretty great length.

There are two aspects to this:
(i) How do you distinguish between "enthusiastic correction of erroneous beliefs" and "persecution"?
(ii) Jesus predicted that His Disciples would be persecuted and stated clearly that those who are persecuted for His sake are blessed.

As a Catholic, I cannot believe that what you experienced was for His sake - the only explanation therefore is you are stubbornly refusing to listen to the logic of God and you admit that you listen and learn apologetics, which, in your case, means "excuses for insisting on being gullible."

I'm not sure where to go from here: Catlicks are usually insusceptible to common sense and Biblical Truths - and getting them out of worshiping graven images is a thankless task.

Perhaps you could surprise us with an attack of reasonableness?



* I see how you capitalize "Catholic" but put a lowercase "p" before Prostestant - what sort of bigot are you? Why are you being hateful and disrespectful from the get-go?

[Mister Brasil]

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How do you even know I ever even sucked on any teat?

Fine, you're not into teats. Not surprising, to tell you the truth.

but you aren't even Catholic anymore? Man you guys are confusing.

Hmm. I'm having a lot of trouble seeing how that could be confusing. Do you find yourself confused often?

I was not hostile...This is the internet lady, everyone is snarky.

We don't follow the law of the internet here. We follow the Law of God.

Galatians 5: 22-23:

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

If you're having trouble resisting snark, maybe it's because you cannot taste the fruit of the Spirit?

Also you can mock anyone you should desire but since I'm not a "True Christian" I don't receive that privilege.

1 Corinthians 2:15:

But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

I'll go ahead and wrap up my short stay here. There is something you fundies should study in your Bible. John 13:34-35

Matthew 7:3:

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Address your own problems with interacting as an adult with those with whom you disagree. Read the Bible carefully, with an open mind, without allowing your modern prejudices to cloud it. Then come back and discuss the Bible with us. We'll be waiting.

[Cotholiest]

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Fine, you're not into teats. Not surprising, to tell you the truth. I know, I just mussssst be gay. Sorry, I'm not.

Hmm. I'm having a lot of trouble seeing how that could be confusing. Do you find yourself confused often? Not really, but when someone makes an illogical statement I often lean towards confusion.


We don't follow the law of the internet here. We follow the Law of God.
You Follow your interpretation of the law of God.
Galatians 5: 22-23:
If you're having trouble resisting snark, maybe it's because you cannot taste the fruit of the Spirit? You must not be able to either, look at you all snarky implying that I must be a homosexual.


1 Corinthians 2:15:

Matthew 7:3:
Address your own problems with interacting as an adult with those with whom you disagree. Read the Bible carefully, with an open mind, without allowing your modern prejudices to cloud it. Then come back and discuss the Bible with us. We'll be waiting. I don't have modern prejudices, only prejudices put in place by your own people.

[Cotholiest]

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Well, that is a paradox if ever I saw one. Catholicism is the most bastardized form of any social group claiming to be a "religion." There are two aspects to this:
(i) How do you distinguish between "enthusiastic correction of erroneous beliefs" and "persecution"?
(ii) Jesus predicted that His Disciples would be persecuted and stated clearly that those who are persecuted for His sake are blessed.

As a Catholic, I cannot believe that what you experienced was for His sake - the only explanation therefore is you are stubbornly refusing to listen to the logic of God and you admit that you listen and learn apologetics, which, in your case, means "excuses for insisting on being gullible."

I'm not sure where to go from here: Catlicks are usually insusceptible to common sense and Biblical Truths - and getting them out of worshiping graven images is a thankless task.

Perhaps you could surprise us with an attack of reasonableness?



* I see how you capitalize "Catholic" but put a lowercase "p" before Prostestant - what sort of bigot are you? Why are you being hateful and disrespectful from the get-go?

Clever....but this is a circle that wouldn't really ever end. The only attack of reasonableness you would accept would be me conforming to your beliefs and that will never happen.


However, you claim I have been disrespectful and a bigot, those are stones in a glass house if I have ever seen them and all I did was not capitalize a word, you however refer to the Moth of your religion as being "Catlick", stones....in glass houses.

[Cotholiest]

Re: Catholiest

It means exactly what it says on the wrapper, dear friend. Some of us were devout Catholics until we read the Bible for ourselves and saw the truth.

We've been through this before.

Ah yes, so you weren't raised and abused by fundamentalist Protestants. There are 2 sides to that coin.


You have been through this before, I wonder how many times and what the common denominator has been.