[barton]

Re: "Men of Landover Baptist Church!"

Unless you can leave off with the judging of my motives and calling into question my faith and belief in Yahweh, I'm going to use the Ignore function and put you in time out for your immaturity.

The text you quote is from the Christogeneawebsite, written by Clifton A. Emahiser. The CNT you keep referring to is a special new translation called, of course, the Christogenea New Testament. Why do you hide this?

Earlier, you wrote:

Secondly, the author tells us that Jesus tells us to ""Beware of the scribes..." All the scribes except the Masotertic and Texus Receptus scribes? And the translators who translated the KJV? Why are these scribes and translators excluded?

I say Jesus Christ would have us to be careful of all scribes and all translators - including the translators of the KJV.

I am especially wary of Clifton and his ilk. Why should we exclude you?

Of course, you have a new Bible to peddle... you're even worse than dealing with a hateful atheist or a jumbled-up agnostic. You have money to make and you need to clear a place for your product on the shelf.

The irony is that the very first "evidence" you posted describes your precise situation... you hold the truth... you know it... yet you practice it not, in your unrighteousness.

Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

[barton]

Re: "Men of Landover Baptist Church!"

Clifton, why don't you tell us a little more about your Gnostic belief in the absurdity called Two Seedline doctrine? This is the one where Jews are the descendants of the offspring of the Serpent and Eve. You are a complete and utter whackjob!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: "Men of Landover Baptist Church!"

Clifton, why don't you tell us a little more about your Gnostic belief in the absurdity called Two Seedline doctrine? This is the one where Jews are the descendants of the offspring of the Serpent and Eve. You are a complete and utter whackjob!

Yes, by all means, share with us. You claimed to be a "messenger" earlier in this thread. We're all ears, pal.

[Wide-Open]

Re: "Men of Landover Baptist Church!"

Yes, by all means, share with us. You claimed to be a "messenger" earlier in this thread. We're all ears, pal.

Pastor, these days it's hard to distinguish between messengers and pizza delivery boys. Or so they'd like to think.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: "Men of Landover Baptist Church!"

Romans 4:1: /Romans 8:15:/Romans 13:10: /Romans 14:6: / Romans 14:14: /Romans 15:9 to 11: /Romans 15:16:

I read through that with increasing irritation. You spent a lot of time translating Greek but failed miserably to take the 21st century translations of the plain 17th century English, which would have cleared up much of your so called errors or translation. In other parts parts you failed to see that the overall message of God is not hidden by mistranslation but is refined by the passages you quote.

Another failing of yours is an irrational belief that antiquity = authenticity. Simply put you know it does not but you hoped to fool the people into believing your garbage by sowing confusion.

God revealed His Word through King James and corrected all previous errors and that is the end of the matter.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: "Men of Landover Baptist Church!"

His sudden silence is . . . not surprising.

When someone appears insisting the New Testament was written in Aramaic, we all know what the chip on his shoulder is made of.

[Samuel Coleridge]

Re: "Men of Landover Baptist Church!"

Of course, you have a new Bible to peddle... you're even worse than dealing with a hateful atheist or a jumbled-up agnostic. You have money to make and you need to clear a place for your product on the shelf.

Oh dear! Money changers in the temple.

WWJD? I do believe He would have this fellow scourged.

John 2:13-16 And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.

Salvation for $26.99

[PetitionLady]

Re: "Men of Landover Baptist Church!"

Hello Kerux, welcome to God's Favorite Forum™.



First of all, nobody here gets banned for having a differing opinion. For being hateful and vulgar, sure (that happens daily), but if you browse through the forums you will see that there are a great number of members who aren't even Christian.

That being said, I'd be interested in hearing what evidence you have that the KJV is filled with errors (I can't really respond to evidence you don't present). However, I need to ask what this scripture means to you:

"The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever." Psalm 12:6-7

"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away." Matthew 24:35



That is true, but I was under the impression that the Textus Receptus was a translation of the New Testament. Therefore, the KJV can be wholly based on the Textus Receptus and still be based on the Masoretic texts.

I'm also curious as to what your issue with the Masoretic texts is. Sure it was primarily copied, edited and distributed by Jews, but as the old saying goes "Even a stopped clock is right twice a day".

Thank you, Lycia. In your post I found my new signature scripture. I have such a difficult time picking a favorite verse; I always have. There are so many. Thanks again.

[KeruxR]

Re: "Men of Landover Baptist Church!"

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Came back for a little more fun - have time to spend - like wandering around at the zoo.

His sudden silence is . . . not surprising.

This fellow barton is on ignore, and I risk another demerit, but

Originally Posted by barton
Of course, you have a new Bible to peddle... you're even worse than dealing with a hateful atheist or a jumbled-up agnostic. You have money to make and you need to clear a place for your product on the shelf.

The "bible" you mention is available online for free. No money to make unlike those baptists who never fail to pass the offering bag every chance they create.

Another failing of yours is an irrational belief that antiquity = authenticity.

Another foolish statement. And a straw man at that. Come up with a decent argument, like actually rebutting one of those dozen or more errors in the revered AKJV1611 for example, and I might reply. But, since there is such a lack of real debate here and so many hungry wolves, please take a number.

Again, this highly respected scholar is on ignore, but

Clifton, why don't you tell us a little more about your Gnostic belief in the absurdity called Two Seedline doctrine? This is the one where Jews are the descendants of the offspring of the Serpent and Eve. You are a complete and utter whackjob!

Instead of ad hominem, why not show us why the DS doctrine is absurd? Is it because your "scholarship" is surface deep? DSCI Christians can run circles around you baptists.

When preachers like you run into someone whose Christianity is not a mile wide and an inch deep, like Onan, you immediately spill your seed instead of addressing the issue at hand.

You all take care now and enjoy your Roman pagan holiday.

[Levi Jones]

Re: "Men of Landover Baptist Church!"

Instead of ad hominem, why not show us why the DS doctrine is absurd? Is it because your "scholarship" is surface deep? DSCI Christians can run circles around you baptists.

If you are the best they have, I am highly unimpressed.

[Lycia The Repentant]

Re: "Men of Landover Baptist Church!"

Again, this highly respected scholar is on ignore, but

Do you plan on ignoring everybody on the forum until you see only see posts that agree with you? I've heard one is the loneliest number.

Instead of ad hominem, why not show us why the DS doctrine is absurd? Is it because your "scholarship" is surface deep? DSCI Christians can run circles around you baptists.

When preachers like you run into someone whose Christianity is not a mile wide and an inch deep, like Onan, you immediately spill your seed instead of addressing the issue at hand.

I'm going to ignore your blatant ad hominem and point out exactly why the dual seed heresy is exactly that, a heresy with no basis in the Bible. Furthermore, all it takes is a single passage of scripture.

"And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD." Genesis 4:1

Now explain to me how the "Kenites" could have been an offspring of the serpent and Eve when the Bible clearly states Cain was Adam's offspring?

You all take care now and enjoy your Roman pagan holiday.

Thanks, I will enjoy my Christmas.

[Bible Student]

Re: "Men of Landover Baptist Church!"

And you have yet to produce any evidence whatsoever that there are any errors in the KJV Bible. You've made the claim that there are, so the burden of proof lies with you, friend.

Btw: I misspoke, the NT was originally written in Aramaic, the language Yahshua spoke, then copied into Greek to be used as the gospel spread through Europe and the Mediterranean as Aramaic was not generally understood by those outside of western Asia.

Do you have any evidence to support this? I was under the impression that the New Testament was originally written in Koine Greek. Anyways, this is a non-point, as I've already shown how a translation can be inspired with scripture.

You are indeed correct sister Lycia. The New Testament was exclusively written in Greek. When one language is translated into another there are tell-tale signs of that. Anyone who has studied at least one other language besides their own knows that. In every language there may be some words that cannot be found in another. Usually we find those words spelled exactly the same in both languages but may be transliterated if each uses a different alphabet.

We can see that clearly in the Peshitta, the Aramaic version of the bible. The translation from Greek to Aramaic is evident. It gets downright funny sometimes. For instance when the original Greek text quotes Aramaic phrases, the Aramaic translated the Greek text into Aramaic, includes the Aramaic, and then goes on to say the Aramaic phrase means this, and they give the Aramaic definition even when the Aramaic phrase has been quoted. I might not have explained this clearly, but if you are familiar with another language, I'm sure you know what I mean.

[Lycia The Repentant]

Re: "Men of Landover Baptist Church!"

You are indeed correct sister Lycia. The New Testament was exclusively written in Greek. When one language is translated into another there are tell-tale signs of that. Anyone who has studied at least one other language besides their own knows that. In every language there may be some words that cannot be found in another. Usually we find those words spelled exactly the same in both languages but may be transliterated if each uses a different alphabet.

We can see that clearly in the Peshitta, the Aramaic version of the bible. The translation from Greek to Aramaic is evident. It gets downright funny sometimes. For instance when the original Greek text quotes Aramaic phrases, the Aramaic translated the Greek text into Aramaic, includes the Aramaic, and then goes on to say the Aramaic phrase means this, and they give the Aramaic definition even when the Aramaic phrase has been quoted. I might not have explained this clearly, but if you are familiar with another language, I'm sure you know what I mean.

Well Brother, the only language I know how to speak is American, and frankly I'm worried that may be one more language than a woman should be speaking, but wouldn't some passages in Mark look incredibly strange if they were written in Aramaic?

"And James the son of Zebedee, and John the brother of James; and he surnamed them Boanerges, which is, The sons of thunder:" Mark 3:17

"And he took the damsel by the hand, and said unto her, Talitha cumi; which is, being interpreted, Damsel, I say unto thee, arise." Mark 5:41

"And looking up to heaven, he sighed, and saith unto him, Ephphatha, that is, Be opened." Mark 7:34

"And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt." Mark 14:36

"And they bring him unto the place Golgotha, which is, being interpreted, The place of a skull." Mark 15:22

"And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" Mark 15:34

I just don't understand where those Godmockers get their crazy ideas from, Brother. I'm glad we have people like you here who can set them straight.

[Bible Student]

Re: "Men of Landover Baptist Church!"

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From Lycia:

So Original #2 gets destroyed, and this begs the question as to how we are able to read it in the Bible today. I think the answer to that question is God doesn't particularly care about the original documents, so long as the Word is preserved.

So long as the Word is preserved. That is the deal breaker, isn't it? The meat of the matter.

I contend that the Word has been altered and because you, me or a thousand prominent Baptists "thinkers" are not Hebrew or Greek scholars, we have all be taking someone else's word as to preservation - haven't we? How do you know the word has been preserved? Because someone told you it was preserved? Or because you checked the source for your self and confirmed your belief?

You "contend that the Word has been altered" yet you haven't demonstrated that to us. Are you a Hebrew or Greek (or even Latin for that matter) scholar? You surely haven't shown such talent.

Why would you think that being a True Christian(tm) and a Hebrew, Greek or Latin scholar are mutually exclusive? You would be surprised what some True Christians(tm) might know. If this message board were not for the exclusive purpose of testifying for Jesus and helping our readers become True Christians(tm) and not a debate board, I'm very sure I could give you a run for your money.

I've taken enough time with you. I am going back to studying my 1611 King James Bible. If you don't want to spend eternity sniffing sulfur, pitch and brimstone, I suggest you start studying your 1611 King James Bible.

[barton]

Re: "Men of Landover Baptist Church!"

This fellow barton is on ignore, and I risk another demerit, but

Ah... the coward's solution. Further evidence of his intellectual maturity, I presume.

Instead of ad hominem, why not show us why the DS doctrine is absurd? Is it because your "scholarship" is surface deep? DSCI Christians can run circles around you baptists.

I wonder why this coward hides behind acronyms? Why can't he come out and explain what Christian Identity is all about? The answer is that they are all inbred racist pukes who literally believe only white folk have souls. Seriously! He dares not so openly proclaim his bigotry here, outside the safety of his own deviant church.

True Christians know that black people are descended from Ham, cursed to forever be a people of servants. Their souls weren't stripped from them! They are still children of God. They are a legitimate (yet cursed) people that can lead full earthly lives and gain Heaven, provided they do not sinfully elevate themselves above the station in life ordained unto to them by God, through Noah.