[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Questions to ask liberal "Christians"

Now, for my question. I always hear and see Christian people saying that God created the world as it is to this very day and that Charles Darwin with his evolution theory is wrong. But, my question is what if God created the world but was not fully satisfied at first and decided to change small things untill it was perfect,something evolution does in a sense as well. Again, i do not mean any disrespect but i wanted to know the opinion of the religious side as well.

Such a god would be terribly incompetent, not at all like our all-knowing, all powerful God. The Bible says God was very pleased with His creation (Gen 1:31) until Adam and Eve ate the fruit (Gen 3) and He had to create weeds and thorns and turn some herbivorous animals into carnivores. The Bible leaves no room for evolution. God created everything to reproduce after its own kind.

Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, [and] herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed [was] in itself, after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.
Gen 1:21-22 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good. And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

Please make sure you start a thread in the introduction forum and tell us what church you go to, what your favorite Bible verse is and how you came to find Jesus.

[Didymus Much]

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...what if God created the world but was not fully satisfied at first...

Like if most of humanity had decided that He wasn't worth worshipping, and had gone off and just done their own thing? I suppose He could have decided to drown everyone (and all the animals and most of the birds and insects) in a giant flood (except for one guy whom He warned of His plan for Earth v2.0 who then spent 100 years building a huge-ass boat to carry him and seven other people and two of every kind of animal in the world [unless they were "clean", then it was seven of each], and his family, and all the supplies they'd need to feed and care for all of these animals while they bobbed around for almost a year, with one tiny little window waaaay up at the top, no other ventilation, can you just imagine the stench), and reading about this plan it becomes obvious that all those evil fish and other things that swim in lakes, rivers, streams and oceans (they're evil because they don't have fins and scales) aren't taken in consideration as if the Bronze Age cavedwellers that wrote down this stuff couldn't come up with a plan to kill everything that lived in the ocean at the same time as everything that lived on land while still allowing one family to survive with enough animals and things to account for the obvious biodiversity that plainly existed so they just went with the "flood" plan and anyone naysayers could be dealt with in the usual expedient manner (i.e. torture them until they accept the truth or kill them if they won't), but anyways I'm getting a bit sidetracked here and forgot to mention that God sent the rainbow as a sign of His promise to never do that sort of thing again, at least until the end times as described in Revelation but that's more of a fire and brimstone burn everything instead of water, water, everywhere.

Hope this helps.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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There is something i have always been wondering about. But, before i get to that i wish to say i do not mean any disrespect whatsoever towards God or any of the men and women on this forum.

Thank you, dear! It's nice to see a polite and mannerly visitor! I do hope you stick around.

Now, for my question. I always hear and see Christian people saying that God created the world as it is to this very day and that Charles Darwin with his evolution theory is wrong. But, my question is what if God created the world but was not fully satisfied at first and decided to change small things untill it was perfect,something evolution does in a sense as well. Again, i do not mean any disrespect but i wanted to know the opinion of the religious side as well.

Well, that might be an interesting fantasy, but in order for that to be given any serious thought, one would have to suspend their logic and accept the story of evolution in the first place. It has no more intellectual integrity than denying the existence of Jesus. Evolution was developed for the express purpose of giving rebellious man an excuse to disbelieve in God so he would feel no guilt for sinful behavior. Darwin was simply the most popular story teller. Really, it would be as silly to speculate evolution can fit into the history of Creation as trying to fit in the Boshongo (a Bantu Tribe) creation myth: In the beginning there was only darkness, water, and the great god Bumba. One day Bumba, in pain from a stomach ache, vomited up the sun. The sun dried up some of the water, leaving land. Still in pain, Bumba vomited up the moon, the stars, and then some animals: the leopard, the crocodile, the turtle, and, finally, some men, one of whom, Yoko Lima was white like Bumba.

Now, as interesting a tale as this might sound, do you really think it's likely? Now do you see how silly it would be to assume evolution is likely? So why even speculate as to how it might fit in what we know to be True?

[Basilissa]

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Like if most of humanity had decided that He wasn't worth worshipping, and had gone off and just done their own thing? I suppose He could have decided to drown everyone (and all the animals and most of the birds and insects) in a giant flood (except for one guy whom He warned of His plan for Earth v2.0 who then spent 100 years building a huge-ass boat to carry him and seven other people and two of every kind of animal in the world [unless they were "clean", then it was seven of each], and his family, and all the supplies they'd need to feed and care for all of these animals while they bobbed around for almost a year, with one tiny little window waaaay up at the top, no other ventilation, can you just imagine the stench), and reading about this plan it becomes obvious that all those evil fish and other things that swim in lakes, rivers, streams and oceans (they're evil because they don't have fins and scales) aren't taken in consideration as if the Bronze Age cavedwellers that wrote down this stuff couldn't come up with a plan to kill everything that lived in the ocean at the same time as everything that lived on land while still allowing one family to survive with enough animals and things to account for the obvious biodiversity that plainly existed so they just went with the "flood" plan and anyone naysayers could be dealt with in the usual expedient manner (i.e. torture them until they accept the truth or kill them if they won't), but anyways I'm getting a bit sidetracked here and forgot to mention that God sent the rainbow as a sign of His promise to never do that sort of thing again, at least until the end times as described in Revelation but that's more of a fire and brimstone burn everything instead of water, water, everywhere.

Hope this helps.

...I got lost trying to see where this sentence ended

[False Christiaan]

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Thank you all. It was very enlightening to learn the opinions of others. Now, i had a second question. I do ask to look at it with an openmind. But like always i do not mean any disrespect to anyone. Now, According to science the universe is created billions of years ago. According to Christianity,the bible and of course most importantly The Lord the universe and most important our world was created around sixthousand years ago. Now, would it be possible that the world was indeed created billions of years ago like science claims but that it was in a state of chaos and that God came to our world,looked upon the chaos and decided it could not go on like this,wiping the planet clean and made it into what it is today? It is just something i wonder about. And before anyone asks. No, i am not a Christian like you all are. Nor am i an Atheist. I am just not sure what i believe in. I respect christianity and i respect all of you for who you are and what you believe in. but i myself am not completely sure yet. Which is part of the reason i am on here. I wish to discover more and i wish to learn more about the concept that is The Lord

[Cathy B.]

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Now, would it be possible that the world was indeed created billions of years ago like science claims but that it was in a state of chaos and that God came to our world,looked upon the chaos and decided it could not go on like this,wiping the planet clean and made it into what it is today? It is just something i wonder about.

No. That would not be possible. That would mean God said one thing and meant another, and that's not possible. God means what He says, and says what He means. Otherwise, how would people know what parts of the Bible to believe?

And before anyone asks. No, i am not a Christian like you all are. Nor am i an Atheist. I am just not sure what i believe in. I respect christianity and i respect all of you for who you are and what you believe in. but i myself am not completely sure yet. Which is part of the reason i am on here. I wish to discover more and i wish to learn more about the concept that is The Lord

I'm sorry your parents didn't love you enough to teach you about Jesus Christ and the sacrifice He made for you. It's not too late, though, no matter what terrible things you might have done. Jesus died temporarily to pay your debt to His Father who requires a blood sacrifice for sins. You don't have to let that sacrifice go to waste. You can claim it, and then God won't see your many sins. He'll only see Jesus, whom He loves because He's perfect and that's why He never offends God. You can read more about God's need for blood sacrifice in the Bible. Read Leviticus chapter 17, and then Hebrews chapter 9. Actually, you should be reading the whole Bible if you want to know God and Jesus and how you can be Saved.

[False Christiaan]

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No. That would not be possible. That would mean God said one thing and meant another, and that's not possible. God means what He says, and says what He means. Otherwise, how would people know what parts of the Bible to believe?



I'm sorry your parents didn't love you enough to teach you about Jesus Christ and the sacrifice He made for you. It's not too late, though, no matter what terrible things you might have done. Jesus died temporarily to pay your debt to His Father who requires a blood sacrifice for sins. You don't have to let that sacrifice go to waste. You can claim it, and then God won't see your many sins. He'll only see Jesus, whom He loves because He's perfect and that's why He never offends God. You can read more about God's need for blood sacrifice in the Bible. Read Leviticus chapter 17, and then Hebrews chapter 9. Actually, you should be reading the whole Bible if you want to know God and Jesus and how you can be Saved.

I am sorry to disagree with part of it. The genesis story does not tell us how the planet itself was created. It tells us how light,darkness,land,seas and all life itself was created but nothing about the planet. For the sake of this discussion let's assume i am correct in this. I am not saying i am but let us assume i am correct for the sake of this discussion. If we would look at it this way it would tell us God found a world of chaos and wiped it clean. Then,using the empty rock that was left he would have made all that it is today.

Also, My parents are both great people who both raised me in a Christian way. My losing of faith is in no way the fault of my parents and i would prefer if you do not judge someone you do not even know. And before you come with arguments about that God judges us, He knows us and is therefore entitled to judge. You do not know me and therefor you do not have any right to judge about me or my parents. Thank you. This is also the last thing i will say about this. and the last thing i want to hear about this.

[Didymus Much]

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I am sorry to disagree with part of it. The genesis story does not tell us how the planet itself was created. It tells us how light,darkness,land,seas and all life itself was created but nothing about the planet...

Really?

Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

How did you miss that?

[False Christiaan]

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Really?

Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

How did you miss that?

Really? It says that? hm, then i guess i must have read a bible in which it was removed... That's strange. But, i did not ask it for the sake of proving who is wrong and who is right. I was curious that if we would assume it was true, would it be a plausible thing.

[Pim Pendergast]

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No, i am not a Christian like you all are. Nor am i an Atheist. I am just not sure what i believe in.

But you don't believe in the God of the Bible, I take it. You live like an atheist, as if there's no God. How do you think the earth and everything else got here?

[False Christiaan]

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It is hard to explain. For the sake of simplicity, I believe there is an higher power but i do not believe it to be as the bible tells us. So a bit in between but leaning closer to Christian.

[Didymus Much]

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...I was curious that if we would assume it was true, would it be a plausible thing.

Why would anyone assume an implausible thing to be true?

[Didymus Much]

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It is hard to explain. For the sake of simplicity, I believe there is an higher power but i do not believe it to be as the bible tells us. So a bit in between but leaning closer to Christian.

Tell me, does this "higher power" just happen to agree with you 100%?

[Brother Harold Porter]

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It is hard to explain. For the sake of simplicity, I believe there is an higher power but i do not believe it to be as the bible tells us. So a bit in between but leaning closer to Christian.

A dangerous position, my friend. God could terminate you at any moment. Could be a piano dropped on your head or a runaway 3-axle bus. Either way, you are reduced to a blob of pink goo and gristle, your soul dispatched to Hell for an eternity of torment and anal rape by Satan and all the other God-mockers that you will join.

Would you not sleep just a little better if you accept Jesus and know that you will join Him in Heaven, regardless of what ends your insignificant mortal life on Earth? We can help, if you will only kneel before your Savior and receive His warm and satisfying gift of Salvation.

In Christ

[Oliver Brendan Hayve]

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It is hard to explain. For the sake of simplicity, I believe there is an higher power but i do not believe it to be as the bible tells us. So a bit in between but leaning closer to Christian.

Why do you believe there is a higher power, and how do you propose that we find out what (if any) will it has for our lives?