Hello

[gmcclelland]

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

- Epicurus [341–270 B.C.]

What does that mean exactly? Well, I’m hoping to dissect it piece by piece and let you “believers” try to come up with some kind of rebuttal.



Unfortunately this will not be easy, as this quote takes care of about 99% of “faith” based arguments.

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.


For the first part of the quote he is saying:

Would God prevent evil if he could, but not able to? Then he is not an all powerful being, or God.


The next part of the quote is more of what Christians believe God is without even realizing it:

Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.


When translated down:

Is he able to stop evil, but doesn’t want to? Then he is evil.


This is a great one for Christians who say he can stop it, and he would if he could:


Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?


Which, when I say it, sounds like this:

Is he able to stop evil and would if he could? Then where the hell does evil come from?


Final piece, my favorite, is:

Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?


Translates to:

Can he not stop evil and doesn’t care? Then why call him God?


Can anyone prove Epicurus wrong? No matter what God you choose, either evil or not powerful, it’s not something I would ever pray to or give my entire life to.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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That's an introduction?

[gmcclelland]

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Made more sense for me to post this than to tell you about myself as I'm not christian, and yes, I'm just here for my own amusement.

This forum provides me with plenty of laughs, even more so because you are actually serious.

I originally thought this site was a joke.

This isn't religion, it's a racist, sexist cult for rapist from what I've seen.

With that said, I do hope you enjoy your lives, I know I will despite the fact I'm apparently going to hell and going to burn for eternity. It sound like more fun that putting up with this kind of thing in heaven.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Made more sense for me to post this than to tell you about myself as I'm not christian, and yes, I'm just here for my own amusement.

This forum provides me with plenty of laughs, even more so because you are actually serious.

I originally thought this site was a joke.

This isn't religion, it's a racist, sexist cult for rapist from what I've seen.

With that said, I do hope you enjoy your lives, I know I will despite the fact I'm apparently going to hell and going to burn for eternity. It sound like more fun that putting up with this kind of thing in heaven.

Dear Godmocking Fool;

Thank you for taking the time out of your busy schedule of worshiping satan and sodomizing children to post this hateful message. The Holy Bible tells us that we are actually Blessed by your persecution! Thanks for proving that we're right.

Matthew 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

Enjoy hell. I know that Jesus and I can't wait to watch you burn in hell for all eternity. Oh, how we'll laugh at you as you scream in agony! Shout Glory!!

YIC,

--Pastor Ezekiel

[gmcclelland]

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Dear Godmocking Fool;

Thank you for taking the time out of your busy schedule of worshiping satan and sodomizing children to post this hateful message. The Holy Bible tells us that we are actually Blessed by your persecution! Thanks for proving that we're right.



Enjoy hell. I know that Jesus and I can't wait to watch you burn in hell for all eternity. Oh, how we'll laugh at you as you scream in agony! Shout Glory!!

YIC,

--Pastor Ezekiel

I don't see you, or anyone else, answering what I have to say.

Is that maybe because I have you stumped? There has to be some answer for the questions Epicurus asked?

We could do this for hours back and forth, but I know that I'll most likely be banned before then.

Oh, and I have to get back to my Satan worshiping.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Your idiotic question, posed by a dead greek queer, has been answered a million times over since Jesus sent him to hell. If you want to see what we believe, you can check our Church Doctrines, or just use the "search" function to see what questions have already been addressed.

Don't be coming here to spread your atheistic hatred. We've heard it all before.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.

God does not prevent evil, He creates evil - read your Bible!

Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.

Yes, He may be

Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?

From God... are you paying attention or are you playing with that hole in your pants pocket?

Is he neither able nor willing?

I just said He was able and willing - look jerk, pay attention. I'm not doing this for my health; I'm doing it for your soul

Then why call him God?

Duh! Because that's His name...

Epicurus [341–270 B.C.]

Who was as thick as pigsh*t and an atheist

What does that mean exactly? Well, I’m hoping to dissect it piece by piece and let you “believers” try to come up with some kind of rebuttal.

So you've thought about it all your life, and I've thought about it for as long as it takes to write this out?

Unfortunately this will not be easy, as this quote takes care of about 99% of “faith” based arguments.

You've just been pwned!

[GodIsAlmighty]

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Arguing with idiots makes you an idiot. But just so you know, the problem comes in when you assume that if God is not willing to personally stop our evil, and basically clean our feat for us, than He is evil. How does that make Him evil? If God made it impossible for us to do evil, than we wouldn't be free-willed, and we wouldn't understand why evil is bad.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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Gosh oh golly, that quote by Epicurus is a new one on us. Let me repeat my response.

It isn't for you to define God's nature. Not only does God not necessarily prevent evil, but He even creates it:

Isaiah 45:7: I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things].

Amos 3:6: Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done [it]?

[James Hutchins]

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I don't see you, or anyone else, answering what I have to say.

Is that maybe because I have you stumped? There has to be some answer for the questions Epicurus asked?

We could do this for hours back and forth, but I know that I'll most likely be banned before then.

Oh, and I have to get back to my Satan worshiping.

You warrant little response more than to say you are a tool. Just wait until mummy and daddy come back from dinner!