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  • Bobby-Joe
    Landover Security Superviser
    Asset Loss Prevention and Personal Security Expert
    NOT angry and positively NOT Gay
    True Christian™
    • Sep 2006
    • 18405

    #1

    Looking into Islam; the Kaaba

    Previously I had discussed Mohamemed connection with a Christian monk and how it parallels Joesph Smith and Mormonism or Hong Xiuquan and the Tiaping. This is time I am going to look at the Kaaba, the holy site of Islam that all good Muslims pray to five times a day.



    First what is it? Everyone is familiar with Muslims circling this big black box in the middle of a court yard. But what is this box supposed to be:

    Originally posted by Wiki
    According to the Qur'an, the Kaaba was re-built by Ibrahim (Abraham) and his son Ismāʿīl (Ishmael), Islamic traditions assert that the Kaaba "reflects" a house in heaven called al-Baytu l-Mamur and that it was first built by the first man, Adam and is believed that it is the first building ever built on earth. Ibrahim and Ismail rebuilt the Kaaba on the old foundations.
    It's Adam's, Abraham's and Ismail's house.

    That's right, they are worshiping a house. The holiest act the a Muslim clams a human can give praise to God (since they claim they worship the same God as we Christians do), is bow and and pray to the house of their tribal patriarch??? This really sums up why Islam is a false religion; God is the creator of the world; not just some tribe of ignorant desert dwelling goat herders. The Jews didn't get this and this is why God removed His favor from them when He sent His son to spread the His message to the world and the rest of humanity. That doesn't mean yet another tribe of goat herders in the desert go; oh God means WE are His special people then!

    So what is the black stone of the Kaaba supposed to be? Islmail's behind the rest of us must kiss?? Oh all the self serving bullshit in the world this takes the cake.

    Mind you, this is looking at it from Islam's own logic. This is ignoring the obvious secularists point as why isn't the world's oldest place of habitation and what the Muslims consider the world's coolest thing not mentioned by anyone before 500AD, or how could the location be the the garden of Eden (some paradise; a well in desert valley)

    Jerusalem is an ancient location and considered holy as long as then have been human records. Jericho is ancient, Babylon is ancient, heck Mexico City is ancient but Mecca and the Kaaba were only holy from the time of early dark ages??? Come on.

    Face it Muslims; it was clear what was going on, Mohommed, a traveling merchant, got out of his little flee bag dump and got a taste of the bigger world in Syria, came back, inspired and devised the biggest tourist trap in human history. This is up there with Joesph Smith deciding Missouri was the Promised land or Hong Xiuquan deciding a reformed Imperial China is what Jesus had in mind when He returns.

    Let me repeat the basic concept; God is the creator of all things. He is above petty little nonsense like local cultural ideas. The house of the coolest dude in your tribe means just as much to God as the Forbidden City or Mount Vernon. It's is not a universal truth so it not part of the universal God.

    Time to reclaim our FREEDOM from the “Mullah in Chief” and his growing activist voter hoards of socialists, communists, anti-Semites, anti-Christians, atheists, radical gays and lesbians, feminists, illegal immigrants, Muslims, anti-Anglo whites and others.

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  • Dirk
    True Christian™
    • Apr 2010
    • 1425

    #2
    Re: Looking into Islam; the Kaaba

    It's not allowed for non-mooslims to enter the "holy city". The mooslims (read: Follower of the false prophet) think that they are worshipping God but they never read the King James 1611 Bible, how could they be right to begin with?

    This verse tells us why the Kaaba is not the truth.

    2 Chronicles 27:4
    Moreover he built cities in the mountains of Judah, and in the forests he built castles and towers.

    It is an object that the false prophet has used to "convert" people, made by a false prophet!

    Jermiah 14:14
    Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.

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    • WWJDnow
      True Christian™
      True Christian™
      • Aug 2009
      • 6312

      #3
      Re: Looking into Islam; the Kaaba

      Originally posted by Bobby-Joe View Post
      Face it Muslims; it was clear what was going on, Mohommed, a traveling merchant, got out of his little flee bag dump and got a taste of the bigger world in Syria, came back, inspired and devised the biggest tourist trap in human history.
      I think it originally served as a brothel for Moe Hammad's child brides.

      This is up there with Joesph Smith deciding Missouri was the Promised land or Hong Xiuquan deciding a reformed Imperial China is what Jesus had in mind when He returns.
      Joseph Smith was no doubt pimping his child brides out, too, and it wouldn't surprise me to learn that this Hong fellow had a few nine year old wives up for rent, either.

      Originally posted by Dirk View Post
      It's not allowed for non-mooslims to enter the "holy city".
      Why would we want to go there anyway? It's hot and filthy enough to be a dress rehearsal for Hell, plus God told us not to spend time with non-Christians:
      Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 2 Corinthians 6:14
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      • Bobby-Joe
        Landover Security Superviser
        Asset Loss Prevention and Personal Security Expert
        NOT angry and positively NOT Gay
        True Christian™
        • Sep 2006
        • 18405

        #4
        Re: Looking into Islam; the Kaaba

        Originally posted by WWJDnow View Post
        I think it originally served as a brothel for Moe Hammad's child brides.
        Pre-dates Mo by like 100 years, so most likely it was for Mo's granddad.

        Originally posted by WWJDnow View Post
        Joseph Smith was no doubt pimping his child brides out, too, and it wouldn't surprise me to learn that this Hong fellow had a few nine year old wives up for rent, either.
        Hong had quite the harem of child brides. When the Manchus finally caught up to Hong he had them commit suicide along with him. Worth noting the theme here that false prophets are child molesters.

        Originally posted by WWJDnow View Post
        Why would we want to go there anyway? It's hot and filthy enough to be a dress rehearsal for Hell, plus God told us not to spend time with non-Christians:
        Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 2 Corinthians 6:14
        Exactly the point. There is nothing special about Mecca beyond it is the ass end of nowhere that had a brief moment of economic glory because of the Roman-Persian war shut down the normal east-west trade rout. Considering Mecca water supply is barely drinkable it's doubtful Mecca would be inhabited today if hadn't become the Muslim Disneyland.

        Time to reclaim our FREEDOM from the “Mullah in Chief” and his growing activist voter hoards of socialists, communists, anti-Semites, anti-Christians, atheists, radical gays and lesbians, feminists, illegal immigrants, Muslims, anti-Anglo whites and others.

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        • Brother Temperance
          Senior Usher
          True Christian™ missionary to the Unsaved Kingdom
          A very nice young man
          True Christian™
          • Sep 2006
          • 15621

          #5
          Re: Looking into Islam; the Kaaba

          Originally posted by WWJDnow View Post
          Why would we want to go there anyway?
          Because, after Burn a Koran Day saw such flip-flopping from that Terry Jones fellow, next time we're going to do it right, so it's only 362 days till Desecrate the Kaaba day! 9/11/11 - write it in your diaries now, people!
          O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it--for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.



          God being truth, justice, goodness, beauty, power, and life, man is falsehood, iniquity, evil, ugliness, impotence, and death. God being master, man is the slave. Incapable of finding justice, truth, and eternal life by his own effort, he can attain them only through a divine revelation... he who desires to worship God must harbor no childish illusions about the matter, but bravely renounce his liberty and humanity.

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          • Rev. M. Rodimer
            Honorary True Christian™
            Forum Member
            • May 2008
            • 13996

            #6
            Re: Looking into Islam; the Kaaba

            I say we replace it with a giant Rubik's Cube.

            One with the Hollywood Squares people on it.

            If the Rubik's Cube doesn't offend, Bruce Vilanch will.

            Bible boring? Nonsense!
            Try Bible in a Year with Brother V, or join Shirlee and the kids as they discuss Real Bible Stories!
            You can't be a Christian if you don't know God's Word!

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            • Ahmad_Deedat
              Unsaved trash, Islamofascist
              • Sep 2010
              • 57

              #7
              Re: Looking into Islam; the Kaaba

              USA. A would be Christian country run by Jews..

              How nice..
              Deuteronomy 18:18 - I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren like unto thee and will put my words in his mouth and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him

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              • Levi Jones
                Pastor of Hermeneutics and Apologetics
                Bathed in Christ's Precious Blood
                Apostle to the Cactuses, Tumbleweeds and Jackrabbits
                 
                • Jul 2009
                • 13930

                #8
                Re: Looking into Islam; the Kaaba

                Originally posted by Ahmad_Deedat View Post
                USA. A would be Christian country run by Jews..

                How nice..
                What on earth makes you think that? The U.S. has had zero Jewish presidents and one Muslim president.
                Christians are superior because we possess an understanding that unbelievers lack. It is through the Power of Jesus only the converted mind is able to understand what is going on in the world; what the Communists are really up to; what Satan's intentions are. Most unbelievers do not even believe in Satan and cannot understand his tactics.

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                • Ahmad_Deedat
                  Unsaved trash, Islamofascist
                  • Sep 2010
                  • 57

                  #9
                  Re: Looking into Islam; the Kaaba

                  Which would be relevant if the presidents where really the ones running your country..

                  But that is not the case.
                  Deuteronomy 18:18 - I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren like unto thee and will put my words in his mouth and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him

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                  • Pastor Ezekiel
                    Putting the "stud" back in Bible Study
                     
                    • Sep 2006
                    • 78555

                    #10
                    Re: Looking into Islam; the Kaaba

                    Originally posted by Ahmad_Deedat View Post
                    Which would be relevant if the presidents where really the ones running your country..

                    But that is not the case.
                    And I suppose you are?

                    First of all, this is NOT a debate forum. Please read THIS thread before making an even bigger fool of yourself.

                    Secondly, while the internets might seem to be "free" to you, this particular corner of the internets is a privately owned Christian forum. The rights you have on this forum are listed HERE. Please contact a Pastor immediately if you feel that any of your rights have been violated.

                    Finally, your unsaved opinions or tantrums are not even slightly of interest to us. We follow the Holy Word of God TO THE LETTER, and make no apologies for that. One of the most important commandments in the Bible tells us to avoid unsaved scum such as yourself. You wandered in here uninvited, and unwelcome .


                    Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

                    And if you're here to flame us, better take a look at THIS before making an even bigger ass out of yourself.

                    I will pray that the Holy Spirit enter you and chase the demons out of your rectum and let Jesus fill you with His Grace. If you use your God-given free will to reject Christ and His temporary death on the cross for my sins, then you are sending yourself to hellfire.
                    Who Will Jesus Damn?

                    Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

                    Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

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                    • Didymus Much
                      Unsaved trash, Arrogant Atheist Dick
                      • Jun 2010
                      • 14079

                      #11
                      Re: Looking into Islam; the Kaaba

                      Originally posted by Ahmad_Deedat View Post
                      But that is not the case.
                      Ok, I'll bite. Who is? Or do your paranoid psychoses sources tell you not to let us know?

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                      • Bobby-Joe
                        Landover Security Superviser
                        Asset Loss Prevention and Personal Security Expert
                        NOT angry and positively NOT Gay
                        True Christian™
                        • Sep 2006
                        • 18405

                        #12
                        Re: Looking into Islam; the Kaaba

                        Originally posted by Ahmad_Deedat View Post
                        Which would be relevant if the presidents where really the ones running your country..

                        But that is not the case.
                        You're inability to refute my point that praying to the Kaaba is idolatry has been noted.

                        Jesus 1

                        Mohammad the Moonworshiper 0

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                        • Ahmad_Deedat
                          Unsaved trash, Islamofascist
                          • Sep 2010
                          • 57

                          #13
                          Re: Looking into Islam; the Kaaba

                          Originally posted by Bobby-Joe View Post
                          You're inability to refute my point that praying to the Kaaba is idolatry has been noted.

                          Jesus 1

                          Mohammad the Moonworshiper 0
                          We do not pray to the Kaaba. We merely point our prayers in that direction. In Islams early days Muslims used to point their prayers towards Jerusalem. Allah later told Muhammed to turn his direction towards the Kaaba..
                          Deuteronomy 18:18 - I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren like unto thee and will put my words in his mouth and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him

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                          • Brother Temperance
                            Senior Usher
                            True Christian™ missionary to the Unsaved Kingdom
                            A very nice young man
                            True Christian™
                            • Sep 2006
                            • 15621

                            #14
                            Re: Looking into Islam; the Kaaba

                            The demon Allah just appeared to me in a vision and told me that from this day forth, all Muslims are to pray facing towards my backside. Please comply, or your made-up moon-god will get very angry and strike you with moonbolts or whatever he does.
                            O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it--for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.



                            God being truth, justice, goodness, beauty, power, and life, man is falsehood, iniquity, evil, ugliness, impotence, and death. God being master, man is the slave. Incapable of finding justice, truth, and eternal life by his own effort, he can attain them only through a divine revelation... he who desires to worship God must harbor no childish illusions about the matter, but bravely renounce his liberty and humanity.

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                            • Bobby-Joe
                              Landover Security Superviser
                              Asset Loss Prevention and Personal Security Expert
                              NOT angry and positively NOT Gay
                              True Christian™
                              • Sep 2006
                              • 18405

                              #15
                              Re: Looking into Islam; the Kaaba

                              Originally posted by Ahmad_Deedat View Post
                              We do not pray to the Kaaba. We merely point our prayers in that direction. In Islams early days Muslims used to point their prayers towards Jerusalem. Allah later told Muhammed to turn his direction towards the Kaaba..
                              Again Ahmad, you have eyes that don't see.

                              God is greater than the world. He is not in one spot, He is everywhere. Praying towards a house in the desert or even at the rock Abraham made his covenant with God, so what? That is finite and God is infinite. All you are doing is apologizing for Muslims polluting faith in God with paganism like the Catholics did in Rome.

                              Face it, the Kaaba is an empty house so Muslims can pretend God Almighty is living in it like some tribal chief.

                              The argument the door to heaven is over Mecca because of meteorite is utterly luscious. If that's true then what is Tunguska ?

                              Time to reclaim our FREEDOM from the “Mullah in Chief” and his growing activist voter hoards of socialists, communists, anti-Semites, anti-Christians, atheists, radical gays and lesbians, feminists, illegal immigrants, Muslims, anti-Anglo whites and others.

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