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  • Benedict A. Davis
    Winning Souls in his Winnebago
    True Christian™
    • May 2010
    • 3900

    #1

    ''Gays too Vicious for war!'' says Pastor

    Dr.Scott Lively, Pastor and President, Defend the Family International has just published this warning on Defend The Family website in an article attempting to stop the repeal of the ''Don't Ask. Don't Tell'' policy in the military. Pastor Lively used these arguments to defend his position.
    The following is a revision of Dr. Lively’s essay for Accuracy in Media of February 2, 2009, titled The Nazi Model for “Gays” in the Military.


    Repealing the ban on open homosexuals serving in the U.S. military would be a mistake of historic proportions.

    First, there would certainly be a mass exodus of normal men from a homosexualized military, leading to the reinstatement of compulsory service. The entire premise of a military system based on voluntary service is that young men will want to serve. But will normal men want to volunteer when they know they will share close quarters with other men for whom they will be objects of sexual interest? It is a recipe for deep and widespread moral and morale problems.

    Then there’s the likelihood of physical conflict among the troops. Will proud young men being honed to become weapons of aggression against America’s enemies tolerate being ogled in the showers or touched inappropriately or bunking near sexually-active “gays“? Undoubtedly blood will spill over such (inevitable) indignities.

    But what will be the political consequence? Once homosexuals are invited to serve, the authorities will be committed to integrate them into the ranks, which means “sensitivity” training, anti-discrimination policies, and all of the other “politically correct” nonsense that has been such a disaster in the other spheres of our society. These policies have smacked of pro-“gay” fascism in the civilian world; how much worse would it be in the rigidly-controlled environment of the military?

    A sizable percentage of men would not willingly subject themselves to such an environment. So, ironically, reinstatement of the draft would be made necessary by “homophobia,” and for that reason the anti-war Lefties would suddenly become defenders of compulsory service.

    Of course, no amount of “sensitivity training” will change the fundamental nature of young men and so it is likely that some form of segregated service would eventually be proposed. (We’ve seen this trend begin to arise in public education, where all-“gay” schools are the latest development.) This would be the biggest mistake of all, raising the specter (over time) of a homosexual takeover of the military branches.

    Most people don’t realize that male homosexuality does not always lean to the effeminate. Historically, male homosexuality was much more often associated with hyper-masculine warrior societies which were usually very brutal and very politically aggressive. The most recent example was in Germany. Hitler’s initial power base when he launched the Nazi Party was a private homosexual military force organized and trained by a notorious pederast named Gerhard Rossbach. Rossbach’s homosexual partner Ernst Roehm, who was also Hitler’s partner in forming and building the Nazi Party, converted the “gay” Rossbachbund into the dreaded SA Brownshirts.

    “Many of the [S.A.‘s] top leaders, beginning with its chief, [Ernst] Roehm, were notorious homosexual perverts,” wrote the preeminent historian of the Nazi era, William Shirer in The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.

    In The Homosexual Matrix, C.A. Tripp writes that “[f]ar to the other extreme [opposite of effeminate “gays“], there are a number of utterly masculine, sometimes super masculine homosexuals. They are obsessed with everything male and eschew anything weak or effeminate. Unquestionably they represent the epitome of what can happen when an eroticized maleness gains the full backing of a value system that supports it.”

    Masculine-oriented male homosexuality tends also to be pederastic in nature, meaning that it often involves relationships between adult men and teenage boys. The ancient Spartan army, for example, drafted young teen boys and paired them with adult homosexual soldiers. Brownshirt leaders in Germany recruited boys from the local high schools for sex. Roehm himself once briefly fled Germany for South America over a scandal involving a young male prostitute. This bodes ill for the young men who will be our future draftees.

    The scenario I see unfolding if we allow homosexuals to serve openly in the military is an initial period of turmoil in which members of the services would attempt to show their opposition through the limited means available to them. This would result in a clamp-down by military authorities in an effort to force acceptance, accompanied by a sensitivity-training regimen. One or more incidents of violence against homosexuals, real or staged by the “gays” themselves, would ensure prioritization of the politically-correct policies, and justify pro-homosexual “affirmative action.”

    Next would come a severe drop in enlistments and re-enlistments, triggering the reinstatement of the draft. This would in turn begin a degeneration of the moral and ethical culture of the services as those with the highest personal values would be most likely to leave, being replaced, in many cases, by men whose motivation is to share a male-dominated environment with others of similar sexual proclivities.

    Whether or not a segregated service was initiated, a homosexual subculture of servicemen would form, characterized by intense internal loyalty and political ambition. Eventually, this “army within an army,” buoyed by pro-homosexual “affirmative action,” and the ability to act covertly (due to the fact that some would remain “closeted“) would come to dominate the services. What would they do with such power? The historical precedents are uniformly bad.

    Lastly, and perhaps most serious is the loss of our moral authority around the world, especially in the Moslem countries. Until now, we have relied upon the partnership of moderate Moslems in our campaign to marginalize the extremists who already call us The Great Satan for our moral ambiguities. Yet how quickly will we lose the popular support of these people and governments when they know that the soldiers we are sending for “nation-building” on Moslem soil are overt, practicing homosexuals? We are handing the extremists an entirely new and powerful recruiting tool, and undermining the goodwill of every socially conservative nation on the planet, culminating in a net increase of danger for our troops and decrease of respect for our way of life.

    Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell was an enlightened compromise when it was first conceived, and has proved to be a successful policy for our military. If anything, we should be expanding Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell into civilian life, rather than imposing the “sexual libertinism” of our corrupt civilian culture on the military. If, God forbid, we take that radical step, the consequences of its repeal will be severe.
    Pastor Lively proposes to deliver a copy of his book ''The Pink Swastika''to every member of the Senate. He is presently looking for funding to pay for these books, $25 a copy and he will the personally deliver the copies.NOTE:pdf copies available for download on the interweb. The book describes how the Nazi party was inindated with homersexuals, including Hitler himself, and any possible atrocities against gays reported were actually cover ups to hide the rampant gayness of the Nazi elite.

    Pastor Lively might be remembered as one of the 3 guests invited to sit on a panel in Uganda that imposed Biblical Punishment for Gayness. It is punishable by death.
    Exodus International board member Don Schmierer would join Holocaust revisionist Scott Lively and ex-gay “counselor” Caleb Brundidge in a three-day anti-gay conference in Kampala, Uganda.
    I believe the Pastor has raised some very convincing points that he backs up with historical fact, and should be supported by all True Christians™out there.
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    Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

  • Pastor Isaac Peters
    Senior Pastor
    Ex-liberal; converted to True Christianity™
    Always Biblically correct
    True Christian™
    • Sep 2006
    • 10639

    #2
    Re: ''Gays too Vicious for war!'' says Pastor

    Thank you for informing us of yet another horror of homerism. The ironclad historical research of those sources tells us that homers pursue teenagers for sex and that they set up dictatorships — two things that heterosexual men don't do.
    This church is dedicated to preaching True Christianity™ and the King James Bible exactly as they are, with no alterations to make them more politically correct for modern liberals. If you think that we've misquoted or twisted Scripture or quoted any verse out of context, please explain in detail how we've done so. Otherwise, if what you read on this site offends you, then you're offended by Almighty God and His Word, not by us.

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    • Levi Jones
      Pastor of Hermeneutics and Apologetics
      Bathed in Christ's Precious Blood
      Apostle to the Cactuses, Tumbleweeds and Jackrabbits
       
      • Jul 2009
      • 13930

      #3
      Re: ''Gays too Vicious for war!'' says Pastor

      Originally posted by Pastor Isaac Peters View Post
      tells us that homers pursue teenagers for sex and that they set up dictatorships — two things that heterosexual men don't do.
      Exactly, Pastor. Now, if one were to go about setting up a dictatorship, I wonder how one might proceed.
      Christians are superior because we possess an understanding that unbelievers lack. It is through the Power of Jesus only the converted mind is able to understand what is going on in the world; what the Communists are really up to; what Satan's intentions are. Most unbelievers do not even believe in Satan and cannot understand his tactics.

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      • Ofc. Don W. Richards
        True Christian™ Officer of THE Law
        True Christian™
        • Jun 2009
        • 491

        #4
        Re: ''Gays too Vicious for war!'' says Pastor

        I knew there was a tie between Nazism and homosexuality. I KNEW it.

        You people DO realize that when the Gaystapo invades our neighborhoods, your True Christian boys in blue at the FPD will be your last line of official defense against the ever encroaching gay agenda.

        Lock up your sons!
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        • handmaiden
          Is a good, decent True Christian™ lady
          True Christian™
          • May 2010
          • 11319

          #5
          Re: ''Gays too Vicious for war!'' says Pastor

          When I first read this thread title, I thought for sure it had to be a joke-- surely the only "viciousness" demonstrated by gays is their catty way of making fun of modestly dressed straight women.

          Now, my eyes have been opened to the danger of a gay military. To think that a symptom of the gay sickness could be an obsession with masculinity and aggression! We cannot allow such macho, warmongering types to overtake our military.

          Let us pray that this plan will be foiled and that the current ideal of the refined, gentlemanly soldier will continue to be held aloft as the standard for military men everywhere.

          Concernedly Yours,

          Handmaiden
          His left hand should be under my head, and his right hand should embrace me.

          Guns For God and the Economy

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          • His Final Harvest
            Forum Member
            Forum Member
            • Jul 2010
            • 22

            #6
            Re: ''Gays too Vicious for war!'' says Pastor

            Originally posted by Ofc. Don W. Richards View Post
            I knew there was a tie between Nazism and homosexuality. I KNEW it.

            You people DO realize that when the Gaystapo invades our neighborhoods, your True Christian boys in blue at the FPD will be your last line of official defense against the ever encroaching gay agenda.

            Lock up your sons!
            Well of course there's a link Officer Don! Just look at those historical images of Nazi officers and try to honestly tell me you don't feel a stirring inside you. That's Satan trying to tempt you into going homer and those Nazi uniforms - designed by Hugo Boss - are obviously designed to make the wearer more attractive to men.

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            • Benedict A. Davis
              Winning Souls in his Winnebago
              True Christian™
              • May 2010
              • 3900

              #7
              Re: ''Gays too Vicious for war!'' says Pastor

              Originally posted by His Final Harvest View Post
              Well of course there's a link Officer Don! Just look at those historical images of Nazi officers and try to honestly tell me you don't feel a stirring inside you. That's Satan trying to tempt you into going homer and those Nazi uniforms - designed by Hugo Boss - are obviously designed to make the wearer more attractive to men.
              Good point about the uniforms. Are you a student of Pastor Lively, he has much knowledge to offer you know?
              sigpic 1 Chronicles 16:15
              Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations ... an everlasting covenant.
              Proverbs 30:5,6: Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
              Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

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              • His Final Harvest
                Forum Member
                Forum Member
                • Jul 2010
                • 22

                #8
                Re: ''Gays too Vicious for war!'' says Pastor

                Originally posted by Benedict A. Davis View Post
                Good point about the uniforms. Are you a student of Pastor Lively, he has much knowledge to offer you know?
                Sadly I'm not a student of his, Brother Benedict, but Pastor Lively seems to know what young Christian men really need and it'd be an honor to be under him. He's seems to me to be loaded full to bursting with righteousness and it'd be an honor to recieve his ministry.

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                • Benedict A. Davis
                  Winning Souls in his Winnebago
                  True Christian™
                  • May 2010
                  • 3900

                  #9
                  Re: ''Gays too Vicious for war!'' says Pastor

                  Originally posted by His Final Harvest View Post
                  Sadly I'm not a student of his, Brother Benedict, but Pastor Lively seems to know what young Christian men really need and it'd be an honor to be under him. He's seems to me to be loaded full to bursting with righteousness and it'd be an honor to receive his ministry.
                  A man that can get countries, in his case Uganda, to return to Biblical law is a man you should watch. While not a member of the LBC Congregation he leads his followers down a righteous path.As a Historian I have seen no peers. I hope you followed the link I supplied to his book ''The Pink Swastika'' and had a read of it, once he explains his connections so much makes sense about the Nazis and the need for the Don't Ask, Don't Tell Policy that is presently in place. Necessary unless the Gay is removed from our military completely. Personally I had never understood why the Gay was so prevalent in the Armed Services until I read his description of the super masculine homersexual and the presence of whole armies of them throughout history.
                  sigpic 1 Chronicles 16:15
                  Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations ... an everlasting covenant.
                  Proverbs 30:5,6: Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
                  Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

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