[Ahimaaz Smith]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rap

Sorry, rape is wrong.

I'm glad you cleared that up for us, Only time.

i'll save you a seat in hell

You won't even be able to save your own seat in Hell (if you get my meaning, which you probably don't), so don't bother saving one for someone like the good Sister JennyD who won't be needing one.

I'm sorry, but this seems wrong to me. Rape is indeed an evil thing, so why force the woman to live with it?

Because otherwise, when she gets married and her husband discovers that she is not a virgin, she will be killed:

If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her, And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate.... But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you. Deuteronomy 22:13

Making the rapist marry the poor girl is a humanitarian rule--she gets to stay alive, and her father gets compensated for the value of the property that he lost. Win-win all around, showing how merciful is Our Heavenly Father.

I obviously cannot argue with the Bible,

Praise God, then you are saved!!

Why not allow her to live without ever marrying instead, using her as an example?

That is cruel. A woman gets raped, so you take away her entire purpose in life, bearing children and keeping house for her husband? How could you even suggest such a horrible thing? Do you secretly hate women?

And what of male rape? As disgusting and vulgar as it is, what if a young man or boy is raped by another man? Are they supposed to marry?

They are not supposed to marry. They are supposed to be stoned:

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:13

Why say 'females do this, males do that'? It just confuses me, and I don't know what the answer is. Surely there must be something I'm missing here.

There is. When Eve tempted Adam with the fruit of the tree of life, women introduced sin into the world, so now women must pay. It would hardly be fair for God to punish men for something they got tricked into doing.

Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. Genesis 3:16

[Cecily]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rap

They are not supposed to marry. They are supposed to be stoned:

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:13



There is. When Eve tempted Adam with the fruit of the tree of life, women introduced sin into the world, so now women must pay. It would hardly be fair for God to punish men for something they got tricked into doing.

Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. Genesis 3:16

Do you realize you conflicted yourself a bit in saying that? O.o First you say if a man is raped that he should be stoned, but then you say it isn't fair to punish a man 'for something they got tricked into doing.' Then the man who was raped shouldn't be punished if you follow that logic. To quote a friend of mine, this hypothetical man didn't jump around and say 'rape me!' He didn't have a choice.

Just to raise a point. Also, back to girls, what if the rape was from a family member, a cousin, a brother, even her own father? What then?

I'm not trying to sound stupid or mean or anything, I just felt that these points needed to be raised. I just want to know what's right and what's not.

[Pastafarian]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rap

I'm glad you cleared that up for us, Only time.



You won't even be able to save your own seat in Hell (if you get my meaning, which you probably don't), so don't bother saving one for someone like the good Sister JennyD who won't be needing one.



Because otherwise, when she gets married and her husband discovers that she is not a virgin, she will be killed:

If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her, And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate.... But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you. Deuteronomy 22:13

Making the rapist marry the poor girl is a humanitarian rule--she gets to stay alive, and her father gets compensated for the value of the property that he lost. Win-win all around, showing how merciful is Our Heavenly Father.



Praise God, then you are saved!!



That is cruel. A woman gets raped, so you take away her entire purpose in life, bearing children and keeping house for her husband? How could you even suggest such a horrible thing? Do you secretly hate women?



They are not supposed to marry. They are supposed to be stoned:

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:13



There is. When Eve tempted Adam with the fruit of the tree of life, women introduced sin into the world, so now women must pay. It would hardly be fair for God to punish men for something they got tricked into doing.

Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. Genesis 3:16

So you would stone someone for these things in the same way you would enforce the marrying of a woman to her rapist? Both these things are horrifically wrong but i dont see you all throwing stones, thank god. They are clearly BOTH OUTDATED and dispicable acts.

[Ahimaaz Smith]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rap

Do you realize you conflicted yourself a bit in saying that? O.o First you say if a man is raped that he should be stoned, but then you say it isn't fair to punish a man 'for something they got tricked into doing.' Then the man who was raped shouldn't be punished if you follow that logic. To quote a friend of mine, this hypothetical man didn't jump around and say 'rape me!' He didn't have a choice.

What kind of man would let another man rape him? Women are weak and can't defend themselves, but that's not true for men. Anyway, if God didn't want us to kill every man who slept with another man, regardless of circumstances, he would have said so.

Just to raise a point. Also, back to girls, what if the rape was from a family member, a cousin, a brother, even her own father? What then?

First, let me state unequivocally that incest is wrong: None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness. Leviticus 18:6 Nevertheless, if it happens, we need to make the best of a bad situation:

If it's not the father, then the family member would marry the girl and pay the father 50 silver shekels. If it's the father, I'm not so sure, I'd have to ask one of the Deacons. I think that, by analogy to Leviticus 20:14, the father and the daughter shall be burnt with fire, along with the girl's mother:

And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you. Leviticus 20:14

I'm not trying to sound stupid or mean or anything, I just felt that these points needed to be raised. I just want to know what's right and what's not.

You don't sound stupid at all. And you don't ever need to apologize for wanting to understand the Bible.

So you would stone someone for these things in the same way you would enforce the marrying of a woman to her rapist? Both these things are horrifically wrong but i dont see you all throwing stones, thank god. They are clearly BOTH OUTDATED and dispicable acts.

I would do whatever God asked me to do. So, yes. How can these things be wrong if they are God's will? That's just illogical.

As for whether they are outdated, are you saying that it was OK to stone a homer 3,000 years ago but it isn't OK to do it today?

It is true, you don't see us all throwing stones. We would have to be real idiots to throw stones while you were watching.

[Pastafarian]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rap

What kind of man would let another man rape him? Women are weak and can't defend themselves, but that's not true for men. Anyway, if God didn't want us to kill every man who slept with another man, regardless of circumstances, he would have said so.



First, let me state unequivocally that incest is wrong: None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness. Leviticus 18:6 Nevertheless, if it happens, we need to make the best of a bad situation:

If it's not the father, then the family member would marry the girl and pay the father 50 silver shekels. If it's the father, I'm not so sure, I'd have to ask one of the Deacons. I think that, by analogy to Leviticus 20:14, the father and the daughter shall be burnt with fire, along with the girl's mother:

And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you. Leviticus 20:14



You don't sound stupid at all. And you don't ever need to apologize for wanting to understand the Bible.



I would do whatever God asked me to do. So, yes. How can these things be wrong if they are God's will? That's just illogical.

As for whether they are outdated, are you saying that it was OK to stone a homer 3,000 years ago but it isn't OK to do it today?

It is true, you don't see us all throwing stones. We would have to be real idiots to throw stones while you were watching.

Of course i dont think it was right; but it was more widely believed to be right. Nowadays people dont stone others to death <.<

[Brother Temperance]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rap

Do you realize you conflicted yourself a bit in saying that? O.o First you say if a man is raped that he should be stoned, but then you say it isn't fair to punish a man 'for something they got tricked into doing.' Then the man who was raped shouldn't be punished if you follow that logic. To quote a friend of mine, this hypothetical man didn't jump around and say 'rape me!' He didn't have a choice.

Why was your friend yammering about trying to rape a hypothetical man in the first place?

So you would stone someone for these things in the same way you would enforce the marrying of a woman to her rapist? Both these things are horrifically wrong but i dont see you all throwing stones, thank god. They are clearly BOTH OUTDATED and dispicable acts.

God is never out of date!

If it's not the father, then the family member would marry the girl and pay the father 50 silver shekels. If it's the father, I'm not so sure, I'd have to ask one of the Deacons. I think that, by analogy to Leviticus 20:14, the father and the daughter shall be burnt with fire, along with the girl's mother:

And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you. Leviticus 20:14

What about Lot? He was raped by his daughters. Both of them!

Of course i dont think it was right; but it was more widely believed to be right. Nowadays people dont stone others to death <.<

Yes, because Jesus gave us the electric chair!

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rap

Of course i dont think it was right; but it was more widely believed to be right. Nowadays people dont stone others to death <.<

Let me correct you statement; "nowadays people don't stone others to death because of Satan inspired secular laws that good people are forced to obey". One day soon friend, like after Mike Huckabee is anointed President by Jesus, these evil laws will be repealed and justice will be done.

A good person always looks forward to justice.

[Ahimaaz Smith]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rap

So you would stone someone for these things in the same way you would enforce the marrying of a woman to her rapist? Both these things are horrifically wrong but i dont see you all throwing stones, thank god. They are clearly BOTH OUTDATED and dispicable acts.

Of course i dont think it was right; but it was more widely believed to be right. Nowadays people dont stone others to death <.<

I don't see how you can think that any rule God imposes is morally wrong. There is no morality without God!

At least you agree that homosexuality is horribly wrong, even if you are suspect for using pink letters to say it. That's some progress. I'll ask the Lord to send his Spirit unto you so that you will see the Bible the way we do at Landover.

What about Lot? He was raped by his daughters. Both of them!

Excellent question, Brother Temperance. Since Lot's wife was dead at the time, Leviticus 20:14 would not apply--how could it, when there is no way to burn a pillar of salt with fire? Nevertheless, Lot was partly responsible for a very serious sin--if he couldn't keep his tallywhacker in his robes, he should not have gotten drunk when he was anywhere near his two horny, lissom, and supple teenaged daughters.

Since paying himself 100 shekels would obviously not have been a penalty, God chose to inflict a different punishment on Lot for this crime. He caused Lot's children/grandchildren by his daughters to be the founders of two great nations, the Moabites and the Ammonites. God then refused to allow Lot's descendants into the congregation of the Lord:

An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever.... Deuteronomy 23:3

In other words, evey single one of Lot's descendants for 10 generations burned in Hell. This is much like our current practice at Landover of exiling young men who have sinned.

[see_the_light]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rap

I define rape, you mooron, as a man forcing an unwilling woman to have sex with him against her will.

And I am already happily married to a heathen like me, a decent man who sees rape as what it truly is, a crime which is right up there with murder.


Unless you yourself are raped, you are in no position to pass judgement. But then again, you probably force yourself onto your inflatable doll every night, so if that poor doll could talk....

So with such strong judgement on rape, you have been raped?

And are you happily married to your heathen rapist or did you also sin on this one?

Or is it that you're not sure if you were willing?

Do explain...

PRAISE THE LORD!

[Anna May]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rap

I have searched this thread, well a little more like skimmed, and have yet to see this question. What is the rapist refuses to marry the woman? The woman wanting to be saved will marry him, but the man refuses.

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rap

I have searched this thread, well a little more like skimmed, and have yet to see this question. What is the rapist refuses to marry the woman? The woman wanting to be saved will marry him, but the man refuses.

Then he must be 'persuaded' with some tough love, obviously.
Seeing as God commanded that "he may not put her away all his days" - He doesn't have a right to refuse.
If impossibe to persuade however; I'd say he would be treated like any other rapist and put to death.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rap

So with such strong judgement on rape, you have been raped?

And are you happily married to your heathen rapist or did you also sin on this one?

Or is it that you're not sure if you were willing?

Do explain...

PRAISE THE LORD!

I don't think she's ever been raped...she did rape a goat once, though.

[jtbabe]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rap

I came acroos this website by accident and i can honestly say that this is so sad. the bible did not say that if a women is raped that you must marry the rapist, if the bible said those words then by all means i would believe it. This is the what Jesus meant when he said that in the end times people will use Jesus and christianity to decieve the world. you take the bible and make up what you think it means.

So please explain to me when i grown man rapes a 4year old what happens then she must marry him at the Age 4, or when a 11 year old rapes a kid. now a innocent girl is walking home from school and gets raped , now she is going to burn in hell because some man couldnt control his urges.

what about a old lady who is sitting at home and a guy breaks in and holds her at gun point and rapes her she was at home and being innocent. unfortunately we live in a world of sin and God cant control anybody and we have free will and make our own choices we can only but trust the Lord to protect us.

i dare you to come to south africa or basically anywhere outside your comfort zone and bring your children and your wife with and lets see what happens and how you change your way of thinking when your wife gets raped or your little girl or your daughter or even your son.

its sad to see that Gods name gets used and abused in this world. God is a God of Love not a man sitting upstairs trying to punish us.

The sad things comes in when people are seeking God and seeking to get saved and they come across you guys and you just show them that christianity sucks.

you dont allow unsaved people in your church, then explain to me what you guys are doing in that church. people go to church to look for and answer and get saved.

Oh yes whats up with not allowing people in your church that have not bathed for weeks thats judging and God said he is the only judge. i studyed to be a pastor and we were warned about people like this and im so shocked and i cant believe thatu drag Jesus name down the drain.

i apologise tohe heathen girl who placed a quote on here, not all christians are like this i can promse you that.

[Talitha]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rap

What part of:

If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

Did you not understand?

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rap

he bible did not say that if a women is raped that you must marry the rapist, if the bible said those words then by all means i would believe it

Read your Bible friend: Deuteronomy 22:28-29 "If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days."

you take the bible and make up what you think it means

No we just read it. All of it.

now a innocent girl is walking home from school and gets raped

This could only happen if her parents failed to properly protect her. E.g. by homeschooling their kids.

what about a old lady who is sitting at home and a guy breaks in and holds her at gun point and rapes her she was at home and being innocent

What you seem to miss here is that God is against rape. Rape is a sin.

its sad to see that Gods name gets used and abused in this world. God is a God of Love not a man sitting upstairs trying to punish us.

Did you actually read the Bible? It seems you mist most of it.



Some scripture from the KJV1611 Holy Bible:

How little we care about your insults: Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."

Why you need to follow the entire Bible: 2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"

Why we must judge you to save your soul: Leviticus 19:15 "In righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour." John 7:24 "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."

Why it is very important to avoid hell (you are heading straight for it at the moment): Mark 9:43 "And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched"