[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

Let me first say that your passive aggressive stance in questioning God’s Law labels you as a sinner. Sir, you are Damned unless you repent.

You mean to say there is nobody in your town or village that is a non-believer or worships other Gods? How can you know the faith of everybody in your town.

Because this is Landover.

I fixate on the raping aspect because it is quite shocking.

God tells us how to deal with it, therefore we should carry out His commandments and not be shocked.

I am not a believer personally,

You are an impersonal believer…?

and it is my belief that the bible was made up by man.

Your belief is as chaff before the wind and of no consequence in interpreting God’s Law.

I cannot see how a just God would add that bit in there, and it is, to me, rather an excuse for a man to rape (often committing adultery) and to kill, without officially sinning.

Think what you will, sinner. You will burn in Hell.

I don't see why man takes it upon himself to judge and do God's will. If the guilty persons are going to suffer in eternal damnation, is that not enough?

Obviously God does not think so.

I respect other people's beliefs

Then why are you criticizing God? I suspect you are a hypocrite and God hates hypocrites

I don't believe in God, I love football, you could say I worship my team, I worship david beckham. Does that mean that if it were more plausible, you would find me and kill me, as well as murdering my entire town, and raping all the girls!?

We are working towards a theocracy in America and then the rest of the world. Come the Rule of The Lord in America, we will free ourselves from man-made law. Until that time, wallow in your iniquity.

[Pastor Rune Enoe]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

Just a question about the first commandment. If somebody worships another God and, rather understandably, his entire town is brutally massacred ... well... this bit is quite interesting...

In some cases you can keep the girls alive for raping.

When the Christians are in control, this will be applied to the letter, I presume. So, who would be doing the killing and who would be doing the raping? I presume you would be raping many of the little girls yourself? Or would we draw lots to see who is entitled to that privilige?

I would appreciate it if you answered my question seriously, rather than removing my question, because I am genuinely interested in what you have to say. It would be easy to block my opinion but real power will come from a sincere response,

Instead of asking me, why didn't you just click the links to get straight to God's own word (KJV1611)?

I would like to thank you for your update of the ten commandments, I think that God would be very happy with your new revised version.

I'm sure I don't know what you mean by "revised version". All I've done is to point out that there's an anomaly with the 7th commandment, since the punishment is more severe than for breaking the 6th commandment.

The punishment for adultery is two lives: "And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death." (Leviticus 20:10) whereas, as I pointed out, it only takes at most one life to atone for the sin of murder.

I can't really take any credit for this observation. Philo of Alexandria lived contemporarily with our Lord Jesus, and he wrote a treatise Concerning the Ten Commandments, where he even went as far as placing the 7th commandment before the 6th -- something I would never presume to do.

I've added the number in bold for your viewing pleasure:

"Now the most excellent five were of this character, they related to (1) the monarchial principle on which the world is governed; (2) to images and statues, and in short to all erections of any kind made by hand; (3) to the duty of not taking the name of God in vain; (4) to that of keeping the holy seventh day in a manner worthy of its holiness; (5) to paying honour to parents both separately to each, and commonly to both. So that of the one table the beginning is the God and Father and Creator of the universe; and the end are one's parents, who imitate his nature, and so generate the particular individuals.

And the other table of five contains all the prohibitions against (6) adulteries, and (7) murder, and (8) theft, and (9) false witness, and (10) covetousness. […]

Philo then went on to explain in chapter XXIV, precisely why he had moved the 7th before the 6th:

"Having then now philosophized in this manner about the honor to be paid to parents, he closes the one and more divine table of the first five commandments.

And being about to promulgate the second which contains the prohibitions of those offenses which are committed against men, he begins with adultery, looking upon this as the greatest of all violations of the law; […]"

Philo's words are as wise today as they were then, 2,000 years ago. As an even wiser man once said: "There is no new thing under the sun" (Eccl. 1:9).

[virginWhore]

Re: Challenging YHWH

You think that JHWH and Moses don't know what a commandment looks like? The next verse following says:"And the Lord said unto Moses, "Write thou these words; for I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel."

Don't put words into my mouth. I get enough junk put in my mouth never mind someone else's words.

the kitchen commandments were different and special. They were real commandments, but it was about being killed by cuisine, as compared to being killed by sin. Same difference but different.

vw

[Aristotle]

Re: Challenging YHWH

Don't put words into my mouth. I get enough junk put in my mouth never mind someone else's words.

the kitchen commandments were different and special. They were real commandments, but it was about being killed by cuisine, as compared to being killed by sin. Same difference but different.

vw

What 'kitchen commandments'? These are THE ten commandments. It say so in the following verse(Exodus 34:28).

[Aristotle]

Brother, you hurt my feelings

Liar.

Brother, do you think I take my KJV Bible lightly? Here is what it says in the REAL BIBLE, not those mamby pamby ones that LIBERAL's translate

Exodus 34:26-28

The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.
And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.
And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

Actually, it starts at Exodus 34:10

And he said, Behold, I make a covenant: before all thy people I will do marvels, such as have not been done in all the earth, nor in any nation: and all the people among which thou art shall see the work of the LORD: for it is a terrible thing that I will do with thee.


Yes, there are more then ten commandments in the '10 commandments' but that is because the LORD works in mysterious ways and one to him can be a thousand to mere sinners.

[WilliamHicks]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

Oh Ricky Gervais cracks me up, so does this forum



May I ask.. why is this icon available on the icon list??
Hardly 'Christian'? Even an Athiest like me know's that killing is wrong.

[eliot mayfield]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

Oh Ricky Gervais cracks me up, so does this forum



May I ask.. why is this icon available on the icon list??
Hardly 'Christian'? Even an Athiest like me know's that killing is wrong.

Ha Ha Ha it's a Bill Hicks wannabe! I bet you like Dennis Leary too?
Yes, you may ask. Now look in the mirror and see that thing between your eyes and above your mouth? that's called a nose. it's pretty plain to most folks. it just seems you needed some help with seeing it.
Two words. Suicide Bombers.

[Draxzar]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

There seems to be a lot of killing and genocide going on in there. Need I point out: Thou Shalt Not Kill? You Christians are a bunch of hypocrites.

[Pastor Rune Enoe]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

There seems to be a lot of killing and genocide going on in there. Need I point out: Thou Shalt Not Kill? You Christians are a bunch of hypocrites.

And need I repeat that killing is bad, but it still only incurs half the punishment of that of adultery?

In fact sometimes there's no punishment at all for killiing. Heres a pericope from Exodus chapter 21 -- i.e. the chapter immediately following the Ten Commandments:

Exodus 21:12 He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death.
Exodus 21:13 And if a man lie not in wait, but God deliver him into his hand; then I will appoint thee a place whither he shall flee.
Exodus 21:14 But if a man come presumptuously upon his neighbour, to slay him with guile; thou shalt take him from mine altar, that he may die.

So if God has "God delivered him into your hand" you may escape scott free. What a friend we have in Jesus.¨

[Draxzar]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

How can ending the life of someone be considered a less minor offence than adultery. It's absurd.

[Pastor Rune Enoe]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

How can ending the life of someone be considered a less minor offence than adultery. It's absurd.

You may want to take your criticism up with Jesus Himself. That is, if you get a chance to speak before you're bent over a magma vent being molested by purple, spiked demons.

[Draxzar]

Re: The Ten Commandments and their Punishments

Haha. Sorry, didn't you say yourself that you changed the order to suit your opinion? Perhaps you should be ready to face the purple spiked demon thing that you so openly speak about as though it is fact.

Honestly, it's like something out of a fantasy nursery rhyme.

[Aristotle]

Sometimes a good stoning is necessary

And need I repeat that killing is bad, but it still only incurs half the punishment of that of adultery?

In fact sometimes there's no punishment at all for killiing. Heres a pericope from Exodus chapter 21 -- i.e. the chapter immediately following the Ten Commandments:

Exodus 21:12 He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death.
Exodus 21:13 And if a man lie not in wait, but God deliver him into his hand; then I will appoint thee a place whither he shall flee.
Exodus 21:14 But if a man come presumptuously upon his neighbour, to slay him with guile; thou shalt take him from mine altar, that he may die.

So if God has "God delivered him into your hand" you may escape scott free. What a friend we have in Jesus.¨

The LORD doesn't demand killing lightly, but sometimes death by stoning is necessary, like if a man or woman has a 'familiar spirit' (Leviticus 20:27)

Now, I must admit that this particular verse puzzles me a bit. Perhaps some good Baptist could explain how to know who has a 'familiar spirit'. Maybe my neighbor has one and I didn't recognize it.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Sometimes a good stoning is necessary

Well, we know for one thing from the Gospels that people possessed by spirits like to cry out that Jesus is the Messiah. You should look for people do that.

[Aristotle]

Re: Sometimes a good stoning is necessary

Well, we know for one thing from the Gospels that people possessed by spirits like to cry out that Jesus is the Messiah. You should look for people do that.

My neighbor cried out "Jesus Christ" quite loudly when he hit his thumb with his hammer, but I suppose that is not the same.