Who are the Moabites and Ammonites now?

[repented harlot70]

In Genesis 19 it talks of the daughters of Lot being impregnated by him after they got him drunk on wine. I have two questions--

1)Was their seed cursed that they may not ever have salvation?

2)Who are the descendents now?

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: Who are the Moabites and Ammonites now?

Genesis 19-21 is day 7 of our Bible-in-a-year program. Brother V tells us:

God is merciful to Lot and his daughters:

16 And while he lingered, the men laid hold upon his hand, and upon the hand of his wife, and upon the hand of his two daughters; the LORD being merciful unto him: and they brought him forth, and set him without the city.

(for a discussion of mercy read here)

[repented harlot70]

Re: Who are the Moabites and Ammonites now?

I was going on Deuteronomy 23:3

An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever:

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: Who are the Moabites and Ammonites now?

God hates a lot of nationalities for a lot of reasons, but being inbred has never been one of those reasons. He probably just hated them for failing to be His Chosen People.

Every time someone talks about Moabites I think of the M.O.A.B.: Massive Ordinance Air Burst:

[Levi Jones]

Re: Who are the Moabites and Ammonites now?

If you look in 1 Kings 14:21-31, you can see that Solomon's heir is half Ammonite. He did a lot of wrong in the eyes of the LORD. So much that the Egyptians sacked Jerusalem.

In Deuteronmy 2, God warns the Children of Israel not to disturb them.

[Dirtscooter]

Re: Who are the Moabites and Ammonites now?

I think I know what they look like, one or the other or both, not sure.... and I could be wrong completely, But I doubt that I'm way off, unless I misfigure Prov 20.11 (and I do believe that the word of God has many levels beyond our present understanding)

I haven't worked out the mathematical ratio in all these years I've researched it, but I think I know what they look like..


According to my theory, basically two measurements are involved.

First: The distance between the bottom of the chin and the hairline above the forehead whether bald or not, there is a line where the type of skin changes..

Second: The distance from temple to temple, the imaginary line even with the center of the eye line.

When compared, the first measurement is unnaturally longer than the second... Anyone else here interested in the long term study of biblical genealogy?

If so have you noticed this?

[Cynthia]

Re: Who are the Moabites and Ammonites now?

The Moabites are the Chinese people.The Ammonites are the Japanese people as you know these poeple have been in the earth for dynasties, and are still here today just as the children of Isreal are here.

The Jebusites are the Yoruba people in Nigiera today (perhaps they changed their name to hide their true identity) and the Housa people(live in the North of Nigiera changed their name also) are the Hivites they are brothers and Canaan(Ham is the father of Canaan) is the father of Jebusites and the Hivites-read Gen 10:15-19
15 And Canaan begat Sidon his first born, and Heth,
16 And the Jebusite, and the Amorite, and the Girgasite,
17 And the Hivite, and the Arkite, and the Sinite,
18 And the Arvadite, and the Zemarite, and the Hamathite: and afterward were the families of the Canaanites spread abroad.
19 And the border of the Canaanites was from Sidon, as thou comest to Gerar, unto Gaza; as thou goest, unto Sodom, and Gomorrah, and Admah, and Zeboim, even unto Lasha.

The Canaanites are the children of Ham such as Buckingham, Cunningham, Nottingham, etc. After the flood Ham, Shem and Japhet replenished the earth with people and we all came through one of these 3 men

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Who are the Moabites and Ammonites now?

The Moabites are the Chinese people.The Ammonites are the Japanese people as you know these poeple have been in the earth for dynasties, and are still here today just as the children of Isreal are here.

The Jebusites are the Yoruba people in Nigiera today (perhaps they changed their name to hide their true identity) and the Housa people(live in the North of Nigiera changed their name also) are the Hivites they are brothers and Canaan(Ham is the father of Canaan) is the father of Jebusites and the Hivites-read Gen 10:15-19
15 And Canaan begat Sidon his first born, and Heth,
16 And the Jebusite, and the Amorite, and the Girgasite,
17 And the Hivite, and the Arkite, and the Sinite,
18 And the Arvadite, and the Zemarite, and the Hamathite: and afterward were the families of the Canaanites spread abroad.
19 And the border of the Canaanites was from Sidon, as thou comest to Gerar, unto Gaza; as thou goest, unto Sodom, and Gomorrah, and Admah, and Zeboim, even unto Lasha.

The Canaanites are the children of Ham such as Buckingham, Cunningham, Nottingham, etc. After the flood Ham, Shem and Japhet replenished the earth with people and we all came through one of these 3 men

You might be interested in THIS thread, that offers a detailed biblical explanation of the origin of the races.

Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

And if you're here to flame us, better take a look at THIS before making an even bigger ass out of yourself.

[LaQrundrellia]

Re: Who are the Moabites and Ammonites now?

Probably niggas.

We Pre-Adamic, and no good can come of us.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Who are the Moabites and Ammonites now?

Probably niggas.

We Pre-Adamic, and no good can come of us.

For the public schooled, Moab and Ammon were two kingdoms in King David's time located in what is modern day Jordon

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/Kingdoms_around_Israel_830_map.svg

So back off to your paste eating and safety scissors.

[Makarii]

Re: Who are the Moabites and Ammonites now?

They are American cults that dress in all black cloths and not believe in automobiles.

[Deaner]

Re: Who are the Moabites and Ammonites now?

Well poke me in the eyes; I thought they were both with the Falcons.

[Deaner]

Re: Who are the Moabites and Ammonites now?

They are American cults that dress in all black cloths and not believe in automobiles.

Wrong. Those are called dicks.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Who are the Moabites and Ammonites now?

They are American cults that dress in all black cloths and not believe in automobiles.

You talking about the Oakland Raiders?

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Who are the Moabites and Ammonites now?

If you look in 1 Kings 14:21-31, you can see that Solomon's heir is half Ammonite. He did a lot of wrong in the eyes of the LORD. So much that the Egyptians sacked Jerusalem.

In Deuteronmy 2, God warns the Children of Israel not to disturb them.

Thank you for that information.

I am worried however about how many people lived in the Lot home.

GENESIS 19
12 And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place:
13 For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.
14 And Lot went out, and spake unto his sons in law, which married his daughters, and said, Up, get you out of this place; for the LORD will destroy this city. But he seemed as one that mocked unto his sons in law.
KJV

Are these the pouncing daughters from the cave? Or were those two the virgin daughters offered to the savages of Sodom? That would make 4 daughters wouldn't it.

And why was Lot afraid to live in Zoar, which the angels specified as a safe haven. Am I missing something here?