[Didymus Much]

Re: True Christians are Perfect!

.. I agree!!

With what?

[brezeaL]

Re: True Christians are Perfect!

.. I agree!!

[Bible Student]

Re: True Christians are Perfect!

I'm a tad confused here... I came on here from a friends blog site and I read this. I've grown up in the Baptist church and been taught the scriptures my entire life but hearing that once I am born again I am perfect is new to me.

Are you saying that once I am born again I will no longer sin?

If you were truly born again, you will never ever want to sin anymore. Consider these verses:

1 John 1:6-7 -- If we say that we haue felowship with him, and walke in darkenesse, we lie, and doe not the trueth. But if wee walke in the light, as he is in the light, wee haue fellowship one with another, and the blood of Iesus Christ his Sonne clenseth vs from all sinne.

But then in the very next verse we see:

1 John 1:8 -- If we say that we haue no sinne, we deceiue our selues, and the trueth is not in vs.

So there you have it. Life is a struggle but we have Baby Jesus doing most of the wrestling for us.

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: True Christians are Perfect!

I'm a tad confused here... I came on here from a friends blog site and I read this. I've grown up in the Baptist church and been taught the scriptures my entire life but hearing that once I am born again I am perfect is new to me.

Are you saying that once I am born again I will no longer sin?

I know it's a strange concept after having total depravity drilled into your head for years by watered down Baptist churches, but read 1 John 3.

It's right there in the texts.

3And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
11For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

[huzzarj]

Re: True Christians are Perfect!

I'm a tad confused here... I came on here from a friends blog site and I read this. I've grown up in the Baptist church and been taught the scriptures my entire life but hearing that once I am born again I am perfect is new to me.

Are you saying that once I am born again I will no longer sin?

[guttermouthfool]

Re: True Christians are Perfect!

No fucking way! Well at least she enjoyed it too so we'll burn together! You sure know how to pick em' pastor, your wife is a sex goddess.

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: True Christians are Perfect!

This is a question for Pastor Isaac Peters.

If I rape your wife do I get to marry her?

If you rape another man's wife, you are denying him of his property. According to the Bible, you would be stoned and she would not be. If it was consensual sex, you both would be sentenced to death.


Deut. 22:22 If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.
23If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
24Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.
25But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die.

[guttermouthfool]

Re: True Christians are Perfect!

Also Pastor Isaac Peters,

God thinks you all should divorce you wive and have sex with lots of men, because I'm a true perfect christian so I must be right.

[guttermouthfool]

Re: True Christians are Perfect!

This is a question for Pastor Isaac Peters.

If I rape your wife do I get to marry her?

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: True Christians are Perfect!

How many times have we seen that, boring.

Also unless you are really retarded you must be aware that Jesus was a carpenter. He also had a hammer.

Jack

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: True Christians are Perfect!

But this assuming that you are in the correct 'religion' and that you are doing the 'works' that are required to be part of the group that God considers 'perfect', and that you have the correct understanding of the scriptures.
And then it is really up to God to do the choosing, not up to us to declare ourselves as 'perfect'.
What I mean is, some here, actually believed in the immortality of the soul, which is not a bible teaching. These 'perfect' ones would have known that.
What you have to do is look at biblical history, and see when Jesus came ,how his followers did things, what they did, and how that relates to our day. ( Jesus second coming)

Matthew 7:13-14 (King James Version)



13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

If you remember Noah, 8 of an estimated 1 million people are only ones that survived. Even in Jesus day very few followed him. And the major 'religion' as chosen by God was cast off. So what does that mean for our day?

"Correct" religion? Are you retarded? There is only one religion, one God, and one Book that lays it all out, plain as day. Why do you insist on making this some Rube Goldberg joo-traption?

Also: you seem to be trying to fudge biblical numbers in order to shake our faith: is that your intention?

NOT GONNA WORK!!!



As far as the people who lived when God saw fit to kill all the sinners with a worldwide flood, and your implication that that is somehow wrong or mathematically improbable: have you ever taken a look at this?

As of this writing, there are 981 pages of current and former members of Landover Baptist. Most of them are gone.

Why is that?

BECAUSE THEY CAN'T FOLLOW RULES. Same as in Noah's time.

The rules here at LBC are very simple, as are the rules in the Bible. Why people choose to flout them is beyond my comprehension.

YiC,

Z. Smyth

[epignosis]

Re: True Christians are Perfect!

We are not declaring ourselves perfect. We are simply pointing out that God Himself has declared us perfect. Or do you truly reject His Word?

But this assuming that you are in the correct 'religion' and that you are doing the 'works' that are required to be part of the group that God considers 'perfect', and that you have the correct understanding of the scriptures.
And then it is really up to God to do the choosing, not up to us to declare ourselves as 'perfect'.
What I mean is, some here, actually believed in the immortality of the soul, which is not a bible teaching. These 'perfect' ones would have known that.
What you have to do is look at biblical history, and see when Jesus came ,how his followers did things, what they did, and how that relates to our day. ( Jesus second coming)

Matthew 7:13-14 (King James Version)



13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

If you remember Noah, 8 of an estimated 1 million people are only ones that survived. Even in Jesus day very few followed him. And the major 'religion' as chosen by God was cast off. So what does that mean for our day?

[Jedediah]

Re: True Christians are Perfect!

So how can you be 'perfect' and still sin like this?
It is really up to God to decide who is 'perfect ' and who is not. That is not our decision to make. We can not declare ourselves 'perfect'

We are not declaring ourselves perfect. We are simply pointing out that God Himself has declared us perfect. Or do you truly reject His Word?

How is relaying what God says about His perfect children in His Perfect Book (KJV 1611) a sin? God has decided that we are perfect. You can kick, scream, and throw e-tantrums all you want, but, as you are finding out, you are entirely unable to prove that what we are pointing out to you is wrong! All you can do is dodge and divert, dodge and divert, from red herring argument to another, because you have no valid arguments against the Scripture we have provided you over and over again.

When you find yourself standing before the LORD on His throne, how are you going to answer for your refusal to accept His Word?

I suspect that you are frustrated because, deep down, you know that you are unrighteous, imperfect, and continue to wallow in sin and depredation. This is because you do not have the Holy Spirit dwelling within you as I have the Spirit within me, guiding my thoughts, words, and deeds. You do not have the Holy Spirit within you because you are given to false doctrine. We were told that such a time as this would occur.

II Timothy 4:3-4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

I truly hope that you will turn from the false doctrines of the Jehova's Witnesses (I had originally taken you for a universal unitarian until you came up as a topic of discussion during our pancake breakfast this morning). Despite it becoming increasingly clear that you are hopelessly estranged from His Grace, likely preordained to damnation, I do hope that you will make the radical transformation and truly accept Jesus Christ as your personal LORD and Savior... not just concoct some half-baked, non-Biblical character to worship and cherry-pick which verses of Scripture you will follow. I want you to join me in Heaven, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

[epignosis]

Re: True Christians are Perfect!

I suppose I should thank you for once again demonstrating why only faulty interpretations of Scripture can arise when one reads them without the guidance of the Holy Spirit. I had hoped that God brought you here to find Salvation™, but it is becoming more and more apparent that His Plan for you is to serve as a warning to those who seek to twist and distort Scripture by making it sound internally contradictory. You will answer for your lies and distortions on the Day of Judgment (Matthew 12:36).

False christians often quote verses from Romans 3 in a vain attempt to sound humble, quoting these verses and applying it to themselves, meanwhile completely ignoring the vast amount of other verses that declare True Christians™ to be perfect. The context of Romans 3 is that all people, both jews and Gentiles, are born into sin and inherent unrighteousness. The jews thought they had a monopoly on righteousness because they were God's chosen people under the Law. Jews thought that since they were God's chosen people, there was nothing they needed to do in order to gain His approval. Paul informs the Jews that all are under sin and, therefore, all need the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ.

Indeed, within the verses of Romans 3:10-18, Paul specifically draws upon Old Testament verses that scourge and chasten specific groups of people in order to make his point to the unrighteous jews among the early Roman Church: Psalm 14:1-4 (fools, atheists), Psalm 53:1-3 (same group), Ecclesiastes 7:20 (although note that Paul omits the "and sinneth not" clause), Psalm 5:8-10 (enemies), Psalm 140:1-3 (violent evildoers), Psalm 10:7 (the wicked of previous verses 2-6), Isaiah 59:7-8 (murderers, slanderers and the unjust of previous verses in chapter 59), and Psalm 36:1 (the wicked). It is clear that these verses are addressing specific groups of wicked people and not humanity in general, except for Ecclesiastes 7:20, which Paul augmented to allow for True Christians™ who no longer sin.

Paul's whole point in Romans 3:10-18 is to illustrate to the jews that all people are born under sin (including future True Christians™) in order to bring them into an understanding that "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." (Romans 3:20) because "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" (Romans 3:23). But praise be to God because He has justified us through the Blood of Jesus! (Romans 3:24-25).

We must therefore reject the notion of any born-again Bible-believer using any portion of Romans 3:10-18 as an epithet for himself. True Christians™ are new creations, made in the image and likeness of Jesus Christ. Our throats are not open sepulchres, our tongues do not use deceit, and the poison of asps is not on our lips (refer to Romans 3:13). Indeed, as the Holy Bible (KJV 1611) indicates in many other places, True Christians™ are perfect. If you reject this basic Bible Fact, then I can only imagine what other aspects of God's Word you fancy yourself to be in a position to reject. You obviously have a problem with the Word of God; but don't take it up with us - take it up with God.

The jews thought they had a monopoly on righteousness because they were God's chosen people under the Law. Jews thought that since they were God's chosen people, there was nothing they needed to do in order to gain His approval.

And do you not think the same way today.



pride   
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noun, verb, prid·ed, prid·ing.
–noun
1.
a high or inordinate opinion of one's own dignity, importance, merit, or superiority, whether as cherished in the mind or as displayed in bearing, conduct, etc......


Isaiah 2:11-17 (King James Version)

11The lofty looks of man shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.

12For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:

17And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.

James 4:6 (King James Version)

6But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.


2 Samuel 22:28 (King James Version)

28And the afflicted people thou wilt save: but thine eyes are upon the haughty, that thou mayest bring them down.

Proverbs 16:18 (King James Version)

18Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.



Proverbs 21:4 (New American Standard Bible)


4Haughty eyes and a proud heart,
The (A)lamp of the wicked, is sin.



Self-exalted or pride, is something God hates. There are so many instances were man thought he was great, and put himself above others, but God stepped in. This is one of the worst sins in Gods eyes.
So how can you be 'perfect' and still sin like this?
It is really up to God to decide who is 'perfect ' and who is not. That is not our decision to make. We can not declare ourselves 'perfect'

[Jedediah]

Re: True Christians are Perfect!

I suppose I should thank you for once again demonstrating why only faulty interpretations of Scripture can arise when one reads them without the guidance of the Holy Spirit. I had hoped that God brought you here to find Salvation™, but it is becoming more and more apparent that His Plan for you is to serve as a warning to those who seek to twist and distort Scripture by making it sound internally contradictory. You will answer for your lies and distortions on the Day of Judgment (Matthew 12:36).

False christians often quote verses from Romans 3 in a vain attempt to sound humble, quoting these verses and applying it to themselves, meanwhile completely ignoring the vast amount of other verses that declare True Christians™ to be perfect. The context of Romans 3 is that all people, both jews and Gentiles, are born into sin and inherent unrighteousness. The jews thought they had a monopoly on righteousness because they were God's chosen people under the Law. Jews thought that since they were God's chosen people, there was nothing they needed to do in order to gain His approval. Paul informs the Jews that all are under sin and, therefore, all need the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ.

Indeed, within the verses of Romans 3:10-18, Paul specifically draws upon Old Testament verses that scourge and chasten specific groups of people in order to make his point to the unrighteous jews among the early Roman Church: Psalm 14:1-4 (fools, atheists), Psalm 53:1-3 (same group), Ecclesiastes 7:20 (although note that Paul omits the "and sinneth not" clause), Psalm 5:8-10 (enemies), Psalm 140:1-3 (violent evildoers), Psalm 10:7 (the wicked of previous verses 2-6), Isaiah 59:7-8 (murderers, slanderers and the unjust of previous verses in chapter 59), and Psalm 36:1 (the wicked). It is clear that these verses are addressing specific groups of wicked people and not humanity in general, except for Ecclesiastes 7:20, which Paul augmented to allow for True Christians™ who no longer sin.

Paul's whole point in Romans 3:10-18 is to illustrate to the jews that all people are born under sin (including future True Christians™) in order to bring them into an understanding that "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." (Romans 3:20) because "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" (Romans 3:23). But praise be to God because He has justified us through the Blood of Jesus! (Romans 3:24-25).

We must therefore reject the notion of any born-again Bible-believer using any portion of Romans 3:10-18 as an epithet for himself. True Christians™ are new creations, made in the image and likeness of Jesus Christ. Our throats are not open sepulchres, our tongues do not use deceit, and the poison of asps is not on our lips (refer to Romans 3:13). Indeed, as the Holy Bible (KJV 1611) indicates in many other places, True Christians™ are perfect. If you reject this basic Bible Fact, then I can only imagine what other aspects of God's Word you fancy yourself to be in a position to reject. You obviously have a problem with the Word of God; but don't take it up with us - take it up with God.