[BelieverInGod]

Re: True Christians are Perfect!

Daniel 12:4 (King James Version)

4But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Did you notice in this verse that Daniel was to shut up the words, and that at the time of the end the knowledge would be known.

What this is saying that even though the words are in the bible and people have been reading these words for thousands of years, the knowledge ( or understanding) of what was said there would finally be known.
That is how God has hidden his interpretation of these verses until the right time. ( in this case the time of the end)

Really? And here I thought that it meant at the end times that knowledge shall be increased, but people would run too and fro looking for God. Not sure where you got your "interpretation".

Scientists brag about how our "knowlege" has exponentianally risen since the start of the industrial revolution, yet you see people clinging to more and more false religions and false translations. Sort of like you.

Daniel 12:8-10 (King James Version)

8And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

9And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

10Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

This makes it more clear. This knowledge or interpretation will be known in the end times. When the verse talks about the wise shall understand, it means wise of heart, not how intelligent you are or how much you study the scriptures to get the meaning.

Wow, are you into Yoga? Because I've never seen anyone who can twist and turn like you can.

Yes in the end times (i.e. now) very very few "christians" follow the Bible. Instead they play word games with it. Like you they sit there and say "well what it really means". As a child I upset a false pastor so badly with my "well what about this part?", "where does the Bible say that?" and "well if you read it in context, it means" that he told me that reading the entire Bible was a sin because I didn't have the magic "discretion" goggles.

Seems that you're trying to tell me the exact same thing.

[epignosis]

Re: True Christians are Perfect!

No, it means that there's no interpretation. The Bible means what it says and says what it means. Quit playing word games with GOD'S HOLY BIBLE!

Daniel 12:4 (King James Version)

4But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Did you notice in this verse that Daniel was to shut up the words, and that at the time of the end the knowledge would be known.

What this is saying that even though the words are in the bible and people have been reading these words for thousands of years, the knowledge ( or understanding) of what was said there would finally be known.
That is how God has hidden his interpretation of these verses until the right time. ( in this case the time of the end)

Daniel 12:8-10 (King James Version)

8And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

9And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

10Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

This makes it more clear. This knowledge or interpretation will be known in the end times. When the verse talks about the wise shall understand, it means wise of heart, not how intelligent you are or how much you study the scriptures to get the meaning.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: True Christians are Perfect!

Ofcourse not. You have to use the whole bible. The bible really interprets itself, that is the secret to understanding it. that why the bible says :

2 Peter 1:20-21 (King James Version)

20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.


What this means is that really God interprets the scriptures for us. But you may say there many interpretation of Christianity in the world.
The answer is the bible ( God word ) interprets itself. That is why all scriptures have to be in harmony.
So the bible says were are all sinful, but then says we are perfect, so is this a contradiction or do we need a deeper understanding what the bible ( God word ) is trying to tell us?
This is how he hides truth from the ones he doesn't want to have it. Yet it is open to all who do want it.
My only purpose is to get some that maybe of the right heart condition , to get a flicker of what is really in the bible. Then they do what they will with that.

No, it means that there's no interpretation. The Bible means what it says and says what it means. Quit playing word games with GOD'S HOLY BIBLE!

[epignosis]

Re: True Christians are Perfect!

So you just ignore the parts of the Bible that don't fit within your narrow dogma of total depravity?

1 John 3:5-9 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Ofcourse not. You have to use the whole bible. The bible really interprets itself, that is the secret to understanding it. that why the bible says :

2 Peter 1:20-21 (King James Version)

20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.


What this means is that really God interprets the scriptures for us. But you may say there many interpretation of Christianity in the world.
The answer is the bible ( God word ) interprets itself. That is why all scriptures have to be in harmony.
So the bible says were are all sinful, but then says we are perfect, so is this a contradiction or do we need a deeper understanding what the bible ( God word ) is trying to tell us?
This is how he hides truth from the ones he doesn't want to have it. Yet it is open to all who do want it.
My only purpose is to get some that maybe of the right heart condition , to get a flicker of what is really in the bible. Then they do what they will with that.

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: True Christians are Perfect!

Yes I went over this at this link.
http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showp...2&postcount=27

So you just ignore the parts of the Bible that don't fit within your narrow dogma of total depravity?

1 John 3:5-9 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

[epignosis]

Re: True Christians are Perfect!

That's great, champ, but did you read that big list of scriptures I posted for you? The ones that speak of perfection?

I suppose you'll try to use the, "the Greek word means mature." That's what they use in modern Bibles.

If that is the case, then why is the same Greek word used in Matthew 5:48?

Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

That makes no sense in that context does it, sport?
Keep reading your Bible, pal. I'm rooting for you, ace! If you keep reading it, you'll eventually understand. I have confidence in you, buddy.

The important thing is to really read the Bible. I mean hunker down with it and cross reference the verses. That's why I like the NASB as a companion study guide to the KJV. It will guide you to all the verses where the same story is told elsewhere.

Yes I went over this at this link.

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showpost.php?p=731152&postcount=27

[Levi Jones]

Re: True Christians are Perfect!

I did a comment to this idea of being perfect, at this link
http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showp...2&postcount=27

That's great, champ, but did you read that big list of scriptures I posted for you? The ones that speak of perfection?

I suppose you'll try to use the, "the Greek word means mature." That's what they use in modern Bibles.

If that is the case, then why is the same Greek word used in Matthew 5:48?

Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

That makes no sense in that context does it, sport?
Keep reading your Bible, pal. I'm rooting for you, ace! If you keep reading it, you'll eventually understand. I have confidence in you, buddy.

The important thing is to really read the Bible. I mean hunker down with it and cross reference the verses. That's why I like the NASB as a companion study guide to the KJV. It will guide you to all the verses where the same story is told elsewhere.

[epignosis]

Re: True Christians are Perfect!

I get so tired of false Christians and atheists claiming we are not.

In fact, the Bible more often preaches on perfection and holiness than the idea that we are all worthless sinners.

Psalm 119:1-4 Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.

Here God tells Abraham that perfection is achievable.

Genesis 17:1 I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

I can hear some panties getting into a twist over these scriptures. Perhaps you think, that's Old Testament. The Bible says, "for all have sinned." That was prior to our Salvation. I would like to draw your attention to:

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

How could we not be perfect if Jesus himself admonishes us to be perfect?

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

In the Book of Luke, Jesus tells us that in becoming perfect, we are like God.

Luke 6:40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.

In many of the Epistles, the authors tell us that we are perfect and can be "unblameable in holiness," like our Master Who is in Heaven.

1 Thessalonians 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

Colossians 1:22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

Colossians 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

1 Peter 5:10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

Philippians 3:15Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

And most importantly,

1 John 3:5-9 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

I don't know about you, but I feel pretty darn good knowing I am PERFECT without sin or blemish. I can't wait until we sit on the right hand of God himself and judge the world come rapture time, my perfect brothers and sisters.

I wanted to add a list of a few perfect people in the Bible besides Jesus for those you who don't believe there was anyone else who was ever perfect.

Luke 1:5-6 THERE was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Genesis 17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

God speaking to Ezekiel.

Ezekiel 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

David speaking to God.

Psalm 101:2 I will behave myself wisely in a perfect way. O when wilt thou come unto me? I will walk within my house with a perfect heart.

And

2 Samuel 22:22-24 For I have kept the ways of the LORD, and have not wickedly departed from my God.
For all his judgments were before me: and as for his statutes, I did not depart from them.
I was also upright before him, and have kept myself from mine iniquity.

I did a comment to this idea of being perfect, at this link

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showpost.php?p=731152&postcount=27

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: True Christians are Perfect!

Pastor Bathfire I would like to talk to you but for some reason I can't post a thread anymore. No clue as to why. I have more Bible verse questions. I was wondering if you would help me?

Job 38:11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: True Christians are Perfect!

this quote from i dedicate to the creator of this thread "Thus says the Lord: “Let not the wise man boast in his wisdom, let not the mighty man boast in his might, let not the rich man boast in his riches,"

Psalm 34:2: My soul shall make her boast in the LORD: the humble shall hear [thereof], and be glad.

[Morgana]

Re: True Christians are Perfect!

Pastor Bathfire I would like to talk to you but for some reason I can't post a thread anymore. No clue as to why. I have more Bible verse questions. I was wondering if you would help me?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: True Christians are Perfect!

Do you see a difference between boasting and accepting that The Lord has Blessed you above others?

[lordinatx]

Re: True Christians are Perfect!

i posted in this thread because it wouldnt let me create one. but you are right. shouldnt have changed the topic. let me get back on subject... a true christian believer wouldn't boast about how "perfect" they are. am i right or wrong on that? no one is perfect everyone knows that. like i said in my first post, the bible says not to do things like this. this quote from i dedicate to the creator of this thread "Thus says the Lord: “Let not the wise man boast in his wisdom, let not the mighty man boast in his might, let not the rich man boast in his riches,"

[Of Sun and Moon]

Re: True Christians are Perfect!

are not perfect

[Levi Jones]

Re: True Christians are Perfect!

ill be honest, with the gay reference i just copy and pasted. didnt even read it. but about the gay thing, some guy posted about a kid wearing an orange backpack or something like that and his 6 year old beat him up. and how proud he was of it. tons of people supported this in the thread. how is this christian at all?

Why aren't you posting this in that thread instead of hijacking this one?