[epignosis]

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epi wrote
Matthew 6:9-10 (King James Version)

9After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

So in this well known verse of Jesus praying to Jehovah, he asks us to pray for God's Kingdom, not only in heaven but on the earth.

Many know this prayer of Jesus to his Father. This kingdom , Jesus mentions here, is the first thing mentioned in this prayer. So Jesus considered it of first importance. This is the theme of the bible. It is about government.
The book of Revelation is all about government.

I was in error when I said this.

So... this is the correct explanation.The first thing mentioned in this prayer Jesus , said to God at Mat 6:9-10, was to make mention of God's name. ( Jehovah)
The second was about God's kingdom. ( government)

[epignosis]

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I don't want to plague you guys too much. So I will check back a few times, in case anyone has a question, or something to say. If not, well I hope I have left you with something to think about.
Thanks
epi

[Meek and Humble]

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I hope I have left you with something to think about.

Not really. Better luck next time.

[epignosis]

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Not really. Better luck next time.

Well you can only try, and give the opportunity. Even Jesus couldn't convince everyone.

But I just wanted for some to take a look at a few scriptures that you have used before, in a new light.

[RogerLockless]

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I think it is rather interesting that people can't accept the bible is about faith.

[Pastor J.C. Manning, M.D., Ph.D.]

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Dear RogerLockless,

I think it is rather interesting that people can't accept the bible is about faith.

While faith is very important, the Bible is about more than just one word. Actually there isn't a word in the Holy Bible that isn't extremely important.

For example, the Bible teaches us there is only one way to go to Heaven: "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life: no man comes to the Father but by Me." (John 14:6). So only by choosing Jesus for 100%, only by following His Holy Bible for 100%, can we ever hope to once reach Heaven.

The Bible also tells us we have to repent: "Except you repent, you shall all likewise perish" (Luke 13:3) and we have to have faith: "For by grace are ye saved through faith." (Ephesians 2:8). So faith is indeed essential, but so is everything else that is in His Holy Bible!

Yours in Christ,

Pastor J.C. Manning, M.D., Ph.D.

[RogerLockless]

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Dear RogerLockless,

While faith is very important, the Bible is about more than just one word. Actually there isn't a word in the Holy Bible that isn't extremely important.

For example, the Bible teaches us there is only one way to go to Heaven: "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life: no man comes to the Father but by Me." (John 14:6). So only by choosing Jesus for 100%, only by following His Holy Bible for 100%, can we ever hope to once reach Heaven.

The Bible also tells us we have to repent: "Except you repent, you shall all likewise perish" (Luke 13:3) and we have to have faith: "For by grace are ye saved through faith." (Ephesians 2:8). So faith is indeed essential, but so is everything else that is in His Holy Bible!

Yours in Christ,

Pastor J.C. Manning, M.D., Ph.D.

Amen ^__^
sorry for not including those facts

[epignosis]

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I think it is rather interesting that people can't accept the bible is about faith.

Of course the bible is about faith. But not blind faith.
There are many religious faiths in the world, does that mean they are all correct? No!
You have to test out each thing you learn to see if it is something to put your faith or trust in.
There are many Christian religions, are all of them the way to God?
On your website, there is a comment that says we are the only true religion.
Well, how do you know? Why are you right and everyone else wrong? Just to say you believe and have faith doesn't make that so. In the light of the scripture I mentioned about, 'few' will be able to go through that narrow door. And that Jesus said that he 'never knew you'. Even though these ones thought they were followers of Jesus.

[CanadianMom73]

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God hates Rational Thinking!

Brothers and Sisters in Christ,

Today I would like to discuss a very real threat to any Faithful True Christian™. I speak, of course, about the demonic practice of “rational thinking.”

In these modern times, where evil people worship science, that spreads lies and blasphemies against God in our public school classrooms, there is an increasing pressure from the unsaved upon True Christians™ to embrace their religious practice of “Logic and Reason,” which is an euphemism, of course, for slandering God’s Holy Bible.

Why do I say this? Because, when anyone tries to applies rational thinking to the Bible, it suddenly doesn’t seem to make as much sense as it normally did, suggesting the Bible would be filled with contradictions and such. This, of course, already proves that rational thinking is a form of demonic possession, clouding the vision of the “freethinker” to the Truth™:

2 Corinthians 4:3-5:
But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

This Verse proves that, when someone says that the Bible logically can’t be true, the person saying such a thing is blinded by the “god of this world,” which is Satan.

God, Loving and Caring as ever, therefore has filled His Holy Bible to the brim with warnings against knowledge, always urging us to not follow our own mind, but to blindly obey. I will revisit a few of these Verses.

First of all, it was the desire for knowledge that brought evil in this world in the first place. Does the name “Tree of Knowledge” ring a bell?

Genesis 2:16-17:
And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Genesis 3:6-7:
And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

Here the Bible describes the beginning of all evil things, and as we see, it all began with men acquiring knowledge, and thinking rationally instead of blindly obeying God, as opposed to what God commands numerous times in the Bible.

Therefore, God has a lot to say about rational thinking. I will provide a small selection here:

Proverbs 2:6-7:
For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.
He layeth up sound wisdom for the righteous: he is a buckler to them that walk uprightly.

Proverbs 9:10:
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

The only acceptable wisdom is the kind that is given by the Lord, in the Holy Bible. Instead of asking critical questions, we should fear God (if you need some encouragement, look up Revelation 21:8)

1 Timothy 1:3-4:
As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,
Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

Questions are a bad thing, unlike scientists claim. Fables, like evolution and all other stories that contradict the Bible, destroy faith, instead of building it. The same goes for the genealogies; the atheist might ask us how it could be possible that Luke and Matthew provide different genealogies for the ancestry of Jesus; this Verse tells us that these questions themselves are wrong. Period.

That’s how I know, for example, that books like the one that pervert Richard Dawkins wrote, “The God Delusion,” are pure evil: they destroy faith instead of building it, because it makes people ask questions. This Verse warns against such satanic practices.

Ecclesiastes 1:16-18:
I communed with mine own heart, saying, Lo, I am come to great estate, and have gotten more wisdom than all they that have been before me in Jerusalem: yea, my heart had great experience of wisdom and knowledge.
And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit.
For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

Even more, knowledge increases sorrow, and researching things in order to know them is a vexation of spirit. A clearer condemnation of rational thinking and people asking questions instead of just accepting everything as it is is hardly imaginable. Yet God has more to say:

Proverbs 3:5-7:
Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.

Do not think what your “conscience” or your “reason” tells you (thine own understanding). Do not do that what would be rationally responsible, but fear the Lord, which means obeying everything which is in the Bible!

John 20:29:
Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Here, Jesus tells us that it is good to believe in something which is invisible, such as God. A rational thinker would never believe in something he does not see, as this would be irrational. This is why rational thinkers will not be blessed.

Ecclesiastes 7:16:
Be not righteous over much; neither make thyself over wise: why shouldest thou destroy thyself ?

This is another simple warning from God against the efforts of man to research and understand things.

James 1:8:
A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

One of the main tenets of rational thinking is the urge to look at things “from both sides,” or “nuanced.” Adding nuances to the Bible is nothing short of clear heresy, of course.

This Verse further confirms that people who try to “nuance” things by looking at it from different perspectives (like the Biblical and a non-Biblical perspective) are unstable, and therefore useless to God.

In short, we need to be single-minded, as there is only one Truth™. This means that any other supposed “truth” that contradicts our Truth™ is wrong by definition, which releases us of the duty to investigate it. This is further clarified here:

1 Timothy 6:3-5:
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

1 Timothy 6:20-21:
O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

In other words, whenever someone tries to tell you anything that goes against the Bible, we should not listen to him and withdraw ourselves. If we would give in to the seductions of rational thinking, it would result in envy, strife, railings and evil surmisings.

To encourage man to abstain from rational thinking, God often punishes those who try to supplant obedience to God with this evil way of thinking:

Deuteronomy 29:19-20:
And it come to pass, when he heareth the words of this curse, that he bless himself in his heart, saying, I shall have peace, though I walk in the imagination of mine heart, to add drunkenness to thirst:
The LORD will not spare him, but then the anger of the LORD and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon him, and the LORD shall blot out his name from under heaven.

God warns you: if you think you can decide for yourself what and what not to do, instead of obeying His Law, He will destroy you.

2 Chronicles 16:12-13:
And Asa in the thirty and ninth year of his reign was diseased in his feet, until his disease was exceeding great: yet in his disease he sought not to the LORD, but to the physicians.
And Asa slept with his fathers, and died in the one and fortieth year of his reign.

Asa grew proud in his later days, and trusted in the ancient equivalent of medical science instead of God. Therefore, he died a year later, as we all know that medical science, which is in its entirety a product of rational thinking, cannot possibly work, as people can be cured only by the mercy of the Lord.

1 Samuel 6:19:
And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the LORD had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter.

God has been very clear not to be nosy or ask questions. People wanted to look in the ark, showing the same curiosity that drives people towards science and away from God in modern times. God then kills 50.070 people as a subtle reminder that obeying His Commandments always is preferable over looking around and asking questions, like: “hey, what’s in there?”

Finally, to all the rational thinkers out there, if you think that you, because you have decided “rationally” that you know it better than God, and that the Bible would not be true, well, very simply put, then you are just too much of a fool to understand the Bible.

You cannot understand the Bible rationally, you need to believe in it, and only then you will see it starts to make sense. Until that time, you are deluded:

Philippians 4:6-7:
Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.
And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

The peace of God cannot be understood. Rational thinking is useless.

Job 36:26:
Behold, God is great, and we know him not, neither can the number of his years be searched out.

You think to have smart objections about how God would be an illogical concept (asking uppity questions like: “can God create a rock He cannot lift Himself” and such), but this Passage clearly states that we cannot know God. Therefore, it is stupid to ask questions like these about Him.

Isaiah 45:9:
Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?

Again, God doesn’t like people trying to fight Christianity using weapons like Reason and Logic.

Ecclesiastes 8:17:
Then I beheld all the work of God, that a man cannot find out the work that is done under the sun: because though a man labour to seek it out, yet he shall not find it; yea farther; though a wise man think to know it, yet shall he not be able to find it.

We cannot understand how Creation is structured. That is why rational thinkers invent silly concepts like evolution: they really have no clue whatsoever what is going on anywhere at all.

Matthew 11:25-26:
At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.

You cannot see the Wisdom of the Bible, because God has hidden it from you. Be like a child (which means unquestionably accepting of whatever God tells you in the Bible), and you will go to Heaven.

Paul also has a lot to say about this in the First Epistle to the Corinthians:

1 Corinthians 1:18-25:
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

To “them that perish” (atheists) the Wisdom of the Cross is foolishness (atheists always mock the Bible by claiming that it makes no sense). To us, however, it is the “power of God.”

God will destroy the wisdom of rational thinkers. The wisdom of the world is foolishness to God. And the foolishness of God is greater than the “wisdom of man” (which is science, the product of rational thinking).

1 Corinthians 2:6-8:
Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

The Truth™ of the Bible is a mystery, which is why you don’t understand it if you approach it rationally. Get used to it.

1 Corinthians 2:14:
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Again, the Bible seems foolish to people who do rational thinking. They are spiritually discerned.

1 Corinthians 3:18-20:
Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

Again, rational thinking is foolishness. Just don’t do it, okay?

It seems that Paul was really getting the hang of it while writing the first epistle to the Corinthians:

1 Corinthians 8:2-3:
And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.
But if any man love God, the same is known of him.

Don’t try to discover things, because you will never know things. You should love God instead.

1 Corinthians 13:2:
And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

1 Corinthians 13:8:
Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

Knowledge is useless in the end. Rational thinking isn’t going to get you anywhere, so don’t even try. Charity is the thing we are looking for!

And of course, in reality even a rational thinker knows better. God does exist, that is obvious. The Bible already told that these fools would come one day, and they have no excuse not to believe in God:

Romans 1:20-22:
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools

Rational thinkers always seem to come to the conclusion that God does not exist and that the Bible is not true. This is because rational thinking is a lie. They are willingly ignorant:

2 Peter 3:3-7:
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

I hope I have made clear to everyone why rational thinking is such a dangerous thing. Do not think, just obey! Otherwise, Hell will be waiting for you! Do everything the Bible says without question, that’s all God asks from you!

Yours in Christ,

True Disciple

If we should not use our brains to think then what are our brains used for?

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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If we should not use our brains to think then what are our brains used for?

Worshiping God.

[Brother Oskar]

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Interesting, and really inspiring. You're right about that!

Yours in Christ,
Brother Oskar

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Interesting, and really inspiring. You're right about that!

Yours in Christ,
Brother Oskar

Of course we're right! We're True Christians(tm)! Jesus puts every word in our mouths!

[RogerLockless]

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Of course the bible is about faith. But not blind faith.
There are many religious faiths in the world, does that mean they are all correct? No!
You have to test out each thing you learn to see if it is something to put your faith or trust in.
There are many Christian religions, are all of them the way to God?
On your website, there is a comment that says we are the only true religion.
Well, how do you know? Why are you right and everyone else wrong? Just to say you believe and have faith doesn't make that so. In the light of the scripture I mentioned about, 'few' will be able to go through that narrow door. And that Jesus said that he 'never knew you'. Even though these ones thought they were followers of Jesus.

If that is true, might I suggest you jump off of a very tall building just to test it out and see how you like it. Otherwise you may never know.
We know for certain because we have faith, so when you get to the narrow door, good luck.

[Finland FTW]

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Worshiping God.

You can't worship God without rational thinking . If you want to worship God you must know what he says, and to know that you have to read. Reading is a very logical thing. You first have to see the symbols, then you give them a sound and then you have to interpret that sound to a word that you then give a meaning. Then all that’s left is to put the words together and form a sentence.

Reading the bible = using logic and rational thinking = God hates you = you'll go to hell
Reading the bible = God hates you = you'll go to hell

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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You can't worship God without rational thinking . If you want to worship God you must know what he says, and to know that you have to read. Reading is a very logical thing. You first have to see the symbols, then you give them a sound and then you have to interpret that sound to a word that you then give a meaning. Then all that’s left is to put the words together and form a sentence.

Reading the bible = using logic and rational thinking = God hates you = you'll go to hell
Reading the bible = God hates you = you'll go to hell

You talk like a joo.