[Adam Fag]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

Hey! Dot head wannabe, explain to me what sort of things a kid could have done in his previous life to deserve being terrorised and shot in the head by a demon-possessed maniac.

Go on. Let's hear it. What sort of things, in your opinion? And what about a baby that's stillborn or dies within minutes of being born. How does it rack up any points for the next go around?

It's nonsense! Anyone can see it.

No-one racks up points, do they? And the world goes straight down the tubes. As it has.

[Didymus Much]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

...carbon 14 is an isotope of C6 (carbon 6), the normal isotope for carbon...

You mean carbon-12.

There are three naturally occurring isotopes, with 12C and 13C being stable, while 14C is radioactive, decaying with a half-life of about 5,730 years.
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon

note: the 12, 13 and 14 in the above should be superscripts, but I don't know how to do that with this forum software.

... carbon 14 has a half life of 5,730 years meaning a single atom will last 11,460 years to decay (break down, collapse).

No, it means that half of your original sample will decay over a period of about 5,730 years. There is no way to determine how long any individual atom will last.

... that means if something is 10,000 y/o (still older than earth) the test is still "accurate"...

But only up to about 58,000 to 62,000 years, definitely NOT useful for dating dinosaur fossils.

[Matthew Hopkins]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

All we need now is for a dumb Irish woman to comment.

YBIC

There is an argument whether C14 (carbon 14) is an accurate test or not, carbon 14 is an isotope of C6 (carbon 6), the normal isotope for carbon. carbon 14 has a half life of 5,730 years meaning a single atom will last 11,460 years to decay (break down, collapse). that means if something is 10,000 y/o (still older than earth) the test is still "accurate". there are also other methods of dating like, Surface Exposure Dating, which is actually very accurate----- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmogenic_dating
By the way you people are very narrow minded you should open up a bit, and that something is not very accurate doesn't mean that it is not accurate at all.

Well, it seems that within 33 minutes, my prophecy was fulfilled.

Stop spewing your rancid trash in here, Jezebel. Your "science" is bunk. You make the distinction between "accurate" and "very accurate" in your hate-filled, Irish polemic. What is the difference between accurate and very accurate, in this context?

YBIC

[Celtic Demons]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

There is an argument whether C14 (carbon 14) is an accurate test or not, carbon 14 is an isotope of C6 (carbon 6), the normal isotope for carbon. carbon 14 has a half life of 5,730 years meaning a single atom will last 11,460 years to decay (break down, collapse). that means if something is 10,000 y/o (still older than earth) the test is still "accurate". there are also other methods of dating like, Surface Exposure Dating, which is actually very accurate----- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmogenic_dating
By the way you people are very narrow minded you should open up a bit, and that something is not very accurate doesn't mean that it is not accurate at all.

[Matthew Hopkins]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

All we need now is for a dumb Irish woman to comment.

YBIC

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

Hey! Dot head wannabe, explain to me what sort of things a kid could have done in his previous life to deserve being terrorised and shot in the head by a demon-possessed maniac.

Go on. Let's hear it. What sort of things, in your opinion? And what about a baby that's stillborn or dies within minutes of being born. How does it rack up any points for the next go around?

It's nonsense! Anyone can see it.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

Simply put, the idea of karma was meant to encourage good behavior. It was also an observation that there is a cause and an effect in every action. Read his words, does he look like he supports violence?

If you get the general theme, all his teachings can fall under that theme.

And I'm not here to convince you idiots to join Buddhism. Just saying it makes much more sense than Christianity. Morally and scientifically.

So, let's get this straight. If my kids are killed in an earthquake it's not even my fault? It's because some past being of theirs did something bad by some arbitrary standard? At least in Christianity it would be my fault and there'd be some accountability like when queers cause hurricanes and taking prayer out of schools causes mass shootings. We know who is at fault for Jesus even needing to come to earth and die for our sins... Eve, and even Adam for believing her. If I sin I expect some retribution to me personally, like by one of my kids dying or something else bad happening to make me feel bad, maybe even something bad happening to me.

As you can see, it's all clear with Christianity... I mean, who is even keeping score with your silly karma system? There's not even really a god. It sounds like a bunch of unprovable lies to trick people into being afraid of dying and what's to come next in order to keep them obedient and not even aware who is pulling the strings. I bet those tricky guys in the robes get some free dinners out of it and loads of instant respect for their opinions... that's what's really going on here.

And you fell for it - a silly dot head trick!

[Rev. Edward Clement]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

I don't think the bible is the truth or anything remotely related to the truth. It isn't a card you can use, because you can't prove it's true. Your God proves bible and bible proves God thing is flawed reasoning.

Where does it say that in the Bible young man? It does not. In fact the Bible says it is True, therefore, it is True because God said, because the Bible says so.

On a personal note, we True-Christians™ have an annointing that confirms the Truth of the scripture because the Bible says so because it is True.

Your demons of seduction do not work in this Church.

1 John
2:26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

2 Timothy
3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Hebrews
4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
4:13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

Now friend, concerning the fact that your idol is nothing more than a slant symbol for homoeroticism and all things unholy which offers not propitiation and forgiveness of sin(for buttha is dead), it is time for you to cast away this dumb idol and surrender to the warm and loving touch of Jesus.

Or suffer the just consequencies of rejecting Jesus who is nigh at hand.

Isaiah
31:7 For in that day every man shall cast away his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which your own hands have made unto you for a sin.

I beseech you friend, do not reject the one who is at your door or you will spend eternity in the blistering charbroiling fires of hell.

Colossians

1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

This is an Alter Call© and Jesus is holding out his loving hands to you.

[Didymus Much]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

...What are you then, atheist?

Now I see the moderators have "blessed" me with a new title to prevent further misunderstandings like yours. Um, thanks?

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

Please explain how there isn't both a cause and effect for every action. It's irrefutable logic. You did something- cause. What happened because you did it? There has to be an answer.

So what's the answer in the case of the CT shooting? The shooter committed suicide to escape the consequence (effect) of his actions. If there is no reincarnation, he is blissfully oblivious and will never suffer any bad karma. He got away with it.

I equate his law scientifically to the action-reaction law.

I've been over this before. The law of action-reaction =/= karma.

However, Buddha goes further than just forces and applies it to everything.

The law of action-reaction hadn't been discovered in buddha's day, so how could he apply a law he didn't know existed to everyday life? From a secular scientific point of view, the law of action-reaction applies only to forces, not to human behavior. You might as well try to apply the second law of thermodynamics to human behavior. You're twisting science again.

Now let's ask: Based on all of his teachings, would Buddha think the children deserved to be shot?

Yes. See the link which you provided, which clearly states:

Nothing ever happens to us unless we deserves it.

This is further confirmed by your next statement.

Given that he believed past lives influenced their fate, I would say he did think the children must have done something in their past lives to deserve it.

Since I do not believe in reincarnation or past lives, I do not believe they did anything to deserve their deaths. However, I do believe people who do evil get evil back in the form of jail, death, pain, guilt, fear, or the pitiful state of being psychotic.

If there is no reincarnation, no next life, no hell, how is death a punishment for those who do evil? I'm thinking of people like the CT shooter here. And modern secular scientists, who have supposedly proved buddhism true (not!), would disagree that the state of being psychotic is the result of bad karma. They would say it is genetic.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

Proper link to Bhudda's teachings.

http://online.sfsu.edu/rone/Buddhism/footsteps.htm

I don't worship Bhudda. Also don't think he wanted anyone to worship him. I just think he was a wise man guiding people towards inner peace.
His teachings don't dictate my actions, but they're a guide. Way more helpful than the bible, for me anyway. Would probably be useful for all of you too.

The boodhist pope, aka tha Dolly Llama, is a well-known nazi. Like all boodhists.

[Didymus Much]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

...Also assumed you were Christian...

Just because I'm on a Baptist Church's website? Um, so are you.

... What are you then, atheist?

Most people notice the little awards (under my name) that the moderators have been kind of to give me. Here, I'll list them for you: Hellbound Heathen, Atheist, Cancer on Society, hippie, Caution - Poster is Crazy, Evilution, and Perv. Between that and a fully red reputation bar (that goes to 11), what do you think?

[Alkalai]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

Let's look at what you said before.



So I quoted the three universal truths from the link you provided. And now you say:



He may not condone violent actions, but the article which you linked to states that we deserve everything that happens to us. The inescapable conclusion is that those children who were shot in CT deserved to die, but because you don't believe in reincarnation like a real buddhist, those children will never have the chance to improve themselves in a next life or be compensated for the evil they endured, and the shooter won't receive bad karma in a next life. If there is no next life for these people, then they can't receive the effect of their actions. If there is no reincarnation, death stops the cycle of cause and effect. And so there isn't a cause and effect for every action, which is what the article you linked to claims.



What was the general theme of his teachings then?



No it doesn't. The three universal truths are not compatible with modern secular science, so stop using science to bolster your argument.

Please explain how there isn't both a cause and effect for every action. It's irrefutable logic. You did something- cause. What happened because you did it? There has to be an answer. I equate his law scientifically to the action-reaction law. However, Buddha goes further than just forces and applies it to everything. I do not believe in reincarnation, which means I don't believe in that particular part of karma.

Now let's ask: Based on all of his teachings, would Buddha think the children deserved to be shot? Given that he believed past lives influenced their fate, I would say he did think the children must have done something in their past lives to deserve it. Would he think it was right in any way? No because he doesnt approve of violence.

Since I do not believe in reincarnation or past lives, I do not believe they did anything to deserve their deaths. However, I do believe people who do evil get evil back in the form of jail, death, pain, guilt, fear, or the pitiful state of being psychotic.

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

If you have a moral compass that twisted and can't read, I can't help you. I reject reincarnation. Said this before..

Let's look at what you said before.

Ideas such as the three universal truths and four noble truths however have been proven by science (laws of conservation, action-reaction) or are the products of logical thought, hence why I believe they are true.

So I quoted the three universal truths from the link you provided. And now you say:

Simply put, the idea of karma was meant to encourage good behavior. It was also an observation that there is a cause and an effect in every action. Read his words, does he look like he supports violence?

He may not condone violent actions, but the article which you linked to states that we deserve everything that happens to us. The inescapable conclusion is that those children who were shot in CT deserved to die, but because you don't believe in reincarnation like a real buddhist, those children will never have the chance to improve themselves in a next life or be compensated for the evil they endured, and the shooter won't receive bad karma in a next life. If there is no next life for these people, then they can't receive the effect of their actions. If there is no reincarnation, death stops the cycle of cause and effect. And so there isn't a cause and effect for every action, which is what the article you linked to claims.

If you get the general theme, all his teachings can fall under that theme.

What was the general theme of his teachings then? You said you believed in the three universal truths, but now it looks like you cherry-pick "general themes" from these essential teachings of buddhism.

Just saying it makes much more sense than Christianity. Morally and scientifically.

No it doesn't. The three universal truths are not compatible with modern secular science, so stop using science to bolster your argument.

[Alkalai]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

For future reference, you might want to bookmark this:


The point I was trying to make (and you missed completely), is that the ultimate result of any action may have nothing to do with the intentions involved in performing that action.



You don't know what you believe, you just know everyone else is wrong. Got it.

Still believe in karma? Still believe that those kids DESERVED TO DIE, violently?

Pretty sure Buddhism in no way motivated or influenced the shooting in any way whatsoever while Christianity certainly influenced slavery and the rest. Also don't think karma could be used to motivate negative actions at all, except apparently for accusing people of supporting shooting children.

I know exactly what I believe but you don't.
Also assumed you were Christian. What are you then, atheist?