[Didymus Much]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

If you have a moral compass that twisted and can't read, I can't help you...

For future reference, you might want to bookmark this:

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The point I was trying to make (and you missed completely), is that the ultimate result of any action may have nothing to do with the intentions involved in performing that action.

...I reject reincarnation. Said this before..

You don't know what you believe, you just know everyone else is wrong. Got it.

Still believe in karma? Still believe that those kids DESERVED TO DIE, violently?

[Alkalai]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

So was the Bible. It's worked great, hasn't it? Slavery, Inquisitions, Crusades, etc.





Orly? How do you morally justify the inevitable conclusion that those kids in Connecticut DESERVED to get shot? How do you scientifically justify the idea of reincarnation?

If you have a moral compass that twisted and can't read, I can't help you. I reject reincarnation. Said this before..

[Didymus Much]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

Simply put, the idea of karma was meant to encourage good behavior...

So was the Bible. It's worked great, hasn't it? Slavery, Inquisitions, Crusades, etc.

...And I'm not here to convince you idiots to join Buddhism. Just saying it makes much more sense than Christianity. Morally and scientifically.

Orly? How do you morally justify the inevitable conclusion that those kids in Connecticut DESERVED to get shot? How do you scientifically justify the idea of reincarnation?

[Alkalai]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

Simply put, the idea of karma was meant to encourage good behavior. It was also an observation that there is a cause and an effect in every action. Read his words, does he look like he supports violence?

If you get the general theme, all his teachings can fall under that theme.

And I'm not here to convince you idiots to join Buddhism. Just saying it makes much more sense than Christianity. Morally and scientifically.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

Oh dear. I only started this thread to show how horrible and wrong scientists are. Now we have attracted an evil false religious dot head wannabe from Satan. What's wrong with these people? Why do they want us to go to Hell?

[Didymus Much]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

...Again, sounds very scientific, until we get to:

The law of cause and effect is known as karma. Nothing ever happens to us unless we deserve it. We receive exactly what we earn, whether it is good or bad. We are the way we are now due to the things we have done in the past. Our thoughts and actions determine the kind of life we can have. If we do good things, in the future good things will happen to us. If we do bad things, in the future bad things will happen to us. Every moment we create new karma by what we say, do, and think.

Which explains to us that twenty 6- and 7-year-olds DESERVED TO GET SHOT in Connecticut last week, because of horrendous sins they'd committed previously.

It also implies that Adam Lanza was doing the work of God/the Universe, is therefore a martyr in a holy cause, and deserves a state funeral befitting his heroic deeds.

Are you, Alkalai, feeling as nauseated reading that as I am writing it?

[Alkalai]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

So long. Can't reply in full right now, still using an iPhone and typing with it sucks. Will get back to you in like a week maybe.

Little note though- I do not represent/support all of buddhism or believe in all it's teachings.

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

Yes, there are parts of his teachings that cannot be proven or understood using only logic.

Ideas such as the three universal truths and four noble truths however have been proven by science (laws of conservation, action-reaction) or are the products of logical thought, hence why I believe they are true.

The link you previously provided describes the three universal truths.

1. Nothing is lost in the universe

The first truth is that nothing is lost in the universe. Matter turns into energy, energy turns into matter. A dead leaf turns into soil. A seed sprouts and becomes a new plant. Old solar systems disintegrate and turn into cosmic rays. We are born of our parents, our children are born of us.

This sounds like it is in concord with secular science, which you believe in. But then it goes on to say:

We are the same as plants, as trees, as other people, as the rain that falls. We consist of that which is around us, we are the same as everything. If we destroy something around us, we destroy ourselves. If we cheat another, we cheat ourselves. Understanding this truth, the Buddha and his disciples never killed any animal.

We are not the same as plants or trees. That is common sense. The belief that if we destroy something around us we destroy ourselves is purely subjective and, from a logical point of view, nonsensical.

2. Everything Changes

The second universal truth of the Buddha is that everything is continuously changing. Life is like a river flowing on and on, ever-changing. Sometimes it flows slowly and sometimes swiftly. It is smooth and gentle in some places, but later on snags and rocks crop up out of nowhere. As soon as we think we are safe, something unexpected happens.

Once dinosaurs, mammoths, and saber-toothed tigers roamed this earth. They all died out, yet this was not the end of life. Other life forms like smaller mammals appeared, and eventually humans, too. Now we can even see the Earth from space and understand the changes that have taken place on this planet.

This sounds like it is in accordance with secularism, but of course, according to the Bible nothing ever changes.

Eccl 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

But then the article goes on to say:

Our ideas about life also change. People once believed that the world was flat, but now we know that it is round.

If you apply this principle to buddhism, then the teachings of buddhism itself must be fluid, even this second "universal truth." Buddhism could be proved wrong by evidence not yet discovered. Buddhism may die out like the dinosaurs.

Our God never changes.

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

3. Law of Cause and Effect

The third universal truth explained by the Buddha is that there is continuous changes due to the law of cause and effect. This is the same law of cause and effect found in every modern science textbook. In this way, science and Buddhism are alike.

Again, sounds very scientific, until we get to:

The law of cause and effect is known as karma. Nothing ever happens to us unless we deserve it. We receive exactly what we earn, whether it is good or bad. We are the way we are now due to the things we have done in the past. Our thoughts and actions determine the kind of life we can have. If we do good things, in the future good things will happen to us. If we do bad things, in the future bad things will happen to us. Every moment we create new karma by what we say, do, and think. If we understand this, we do not need to fear karma. It becomes our friend. It teaches us to create a bright future.

No scientific textbook defines the law of cause and effect as karma. I don't think any secular scientists or psychologists would agree that we deserve everything that happens to us. That's certainly not consistent with Christianity anyway. Everyone deserves to go to hell, but by the grace of God, some go heaven, not because they deserve it but because Jesus saved them.

Stop making false claims and misrepresenting your religion. It looks to me like buddhism conveniently twists science to make its beliefs appear more credible to outsiders.

[Alkalai]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

Because you said:



Therefore there are parts of his teachings you find illogical, or wrong.

Oh. Right, yes. Quote that beforehand next time, I thought you meant all of his teachings are illogical. Yes, there are parts of his teachings that cannot be proven or understood using only logic. Such as the wheel of life idea, which is a possibility, but not what I think really happens when we die.

Ideas such as the three universal truths and four noble truths however have been proven by science (laws of conservation, action-reaction) or are the products of logical thought, hence why I believe they are true.

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

But I have no idea how you managed to conclude from that that his teachings are illogical.

Because you said:

I follow parts of his teachings because I think it's the right thing to do. We're in agreement on parts of his teachings. Especially the logical parts.

Therefore there are parts of his teachings you find illogical, or wrong.

[Alkalai]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

So you admit I successfully rebutted your previous comment:



In earlier posts you stated how original the teachings of buddha were. But now you admit many of them were plagiarised from hinduism. Clearly, buddha's teachings were not completely original. And by your own admission, many of buddha's teachings are illogical and therefore wrong.

I have done you the courtesy of getting my facts on buddhism right. If you are going to argue against Christianity, you should do the same: get to know the Bible.

Prov 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

I think I have answered you according to your folly. You've done a good job of making buddhism look silly.

Yes I was wrong and yes I admitted it. I based my original comments off the fact in my mind that Hinduism didn't factor into Buddhism, which was incorrect. Now that I have the correct information, I can see that his teachings were not completely original. But I have no idea how you managed to conclude from that that his teachings are illogical. The ideas remain the same no matter who thought of them and they are pretty damn logical.

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

You also explained exactly why Bhudda taught people even though society already had those ideas. They needed to be clear and able to be fully understood.

So you admit I successfully rebutted your previous comment:

And I'm pretty sure his ideas weren't being reflected in society at the time or he wouldn't have had to spend time teaching anyone..

In earlier posts you stated how original the teachings of buddha were. But now you admit many of them were plagiarised from hinduism. Clearly, buddha's teachings were not completely original. And by your own admission, many of buddha's teachings are illogical and therefore wrong.

I have done you the courtesy of getting my facts on buddhism right. If you are going to argue against Christianity, you should do the same: get to know the Bible.

Prov 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

I think I have answered you according to your folly. You've done a good job of making buddhism look silly.

[Alkalai]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

I don't think the bible is the truth or anything remotely related to the truth. It isn't a card you can use, because you can't prove it's true. Your God proves bible and bible proves God thing is flawed reasoning.

Also, Bhudda was from India. I'm sure you can find some racist stereotypes for Indians so seriously, get this shit right.

[Rev. Edward Clement]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

It's nice to see someone who actually knows his facts unlike everyone on this site who just scream bible.

Friend, we are commanded to speak the Lord's Word, which is Himself, at all times.

The Bible says so and that settles it.

Jeremiah
26:2 Thus saith the LORD; Stand in the court of the LORD's house, and speak unto all the cities of Judah, which come to worship in the LORD's house, all the words that I command thee to speak unto them; diminish not a word:
26:3 If so be they will hearken, and turn every man from his evil way, that I may repent me of the evil, which I purpose to do unto them because of the evil of their doings.

Ezekiel
3:18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
3:19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul. 3:20 Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumbling-block before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
3:21 Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.

33:7 So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.
33:8 When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
33:9 Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

Son, you need Jesus not some and not some statue of a summono wrestler which can be blind folded by dental floss.

[Alkalai]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

Just like English doesn't have to be taught in all schools to students who already speak English as a first language, or evolution doesn't have to be taught in a society that by and large accepts it, or math doesn't have to be taught, or Christians don't have to be taught in church every Sunday how to follow a God they already follow.

And many of Buddha's teachings, if he existed, were most definitely reflected the culture of his time. Buddhism has its roots in hinduism.

Ah crap. I forgot about Hinduism preceding Buddhism. Total brainfart which can be attributed to the fact that I'm not deeply religious. It's nice to see someone who actually knows his facts unlike everyone on this site who just scream bible.

You also explained exactly why Bhudda taught people even though society already had those ideas. They needed to be clear and able to be fully understood. That clear things up for you, freefb guy?