[FreeFromBrains]

Re: Astrology is a Serious Sin!

When I saw the title of this thread, I was drawn to it immediately because astrology is something that I have struggled to understand as an obvious sin. Before I write even my second sentence, let it be known that I am here to learn. I am not here to debate. If you will allow, I would like to post the constituents of my question in hope that those of you who come to this thread will be able to settle my uncertainties. I hope that this thread was started to dispel uncertainties.

Although I have always identfied myself as a daughter of God, I grew to be in the science field, academically/professionally, because I have an analytical mind and calling to work hard through scientific research. Perhaps it is for this reason that viewing astrology as a sin confounds me.

1. I accept wholly that idoltry is wrong. I accept all the reasons why idoltry is wrong. It is not right and just to believe that anything other than God should be held in power. However, we utilise power every day, by driving cars, operating machinery, etc. We accept that whilst God is the all powerful, there are physical phenomena below God which have the power to effect us. Another example of this is disease.

When we identify that specific cellular and molecular functionality, for example, apoptosis, plays a key role in cancer. When we seek to stop or slow down this reactivity, via medical intervention, we assume automatically that the action/movement of cells and molecules affect the human condition.

In a similar way, the moon moves and affects the tides. This reactivity, in both examples, is just nothing more than physics. God made the planets and the cells and the molecules to function, as part of our functionality. When a person says that a planetary movement has an effect, I fail to see how this is to deny God. It seems as a mere tapestry of God's work.

2. I know that some people use astrology as guidence. For instance, knowing a certain month is going to be emotional, is that not the same as a weather forcast in knowing that a certain week is going to be wet? The planets are just a bit "higher" than the clouds. But nevertheless also operate within a very small microcosm, compared to the size of God's universe. In the past, when I have seen an astrological forecast, I have never thought anything other than the predicted event is an interpretation of God's plan. Forcasting rain is a predicted event of God's plan. I fail to see how heeding weather prediction therefore means that one worships clouds or worships chemistry.

These are just some preliminary questions that have troubled me for a long time. A poster above said about the indian culture who do rely on prediction. I can see how that is wrong, because that is reliance. If one sees it merely as a prospection, that seems different.

What will be will be and it is all in God's hands. I do not seek astrological prediction in any way, as I like to enjoy the present day that the LORD has given. I do not worry about tomorrow because I know that God is already there. Still, I see the planets as nothing more conceptually than cells. They move, they affect life on earth. I fail to see the sin in acknowledging that. Please do not be angry with me. I took the opportunity to ask.

Just exactly how does the gravity of the stars and the planets affect the future?

The gravitational effect on a person from this range is miniscule because the inverse square law means the strength of gravity reduces by the square of the distance.

You are more gravitically affected bus a bus driving past your house.

Even if the gravity was intense enough to have a meaningful effect HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT THE FUTURE?

Good grief.

[Mother Of Seven]

Re: Astrology is a Serious Sin!

It may not be idolatry, but it is witchcraft. How can you say "knowing a certain month is going to be emotional", when you're talking about hocus pocus? Because a witch says it will be emotional, does not mean it will be emotional for you or anyone else for that matter. So clearly, it's not knowing anything about any month. If you re-read Pastor Zeke's first post, you will see that he deals with the aspect of witchcraft.

[Mary Grace]

Re: Astrology is a Serious Sin!

Just exactly how does the gravity of the stars and the planets affect the future?

The gravitational effect on a person from this range is miniscule because the inverse square law means the strength of gravity reduces by the square of the distance.

You are more gravitically affected bus a bus driving past your house.

Even if the gravity was intense enough to have a meaningful effect HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT THE FUTURE?

Good grief.

I did not mention "gravity." There exist other theories in physics that could account for such things. It is not my aim to promote astrology, so I will not be describing them.

[Mary Grace]

Re: Astrology is a Serious Sin!

It may not be idolatry, but it is witchcraft. How can you say "knowing a certain month is going to be emotional", when you're talking about hocus pocus? Because a witch says it will be emotional, does not mean it will be emotional for you or anyone else for that matter. So clearly, it's not knowing anything about any month. If you re-read Pastor Zeke's first post, you will see that he deals with the aspect of witchcraft.

You are right, I apologise, I used the word "know," when I meant "suppose" or something to that effect. As I said, I do not consult astrology in any way, so I agree with you that a forecast can affect perception and skew it. When not working, I devote my time to studying the Word, which includes asking questions. "Observing the times" can include other things besides astrology, such as meterology. The bible says that it is wrong, so I do not do it. I just wanted to know not why it is wrong, but how it compares to other things which may be interpreted in the same way.

[FreeFromBrains]

Re: Astrology is a Serious Sin!

There are no 'other forces'.

The only force that could have any affect over planetary ranges (at minimum) is gravity. If you rule that out you have nothing left to work with.

I can't beleive I am agreeing with the Bapwits when I say this but astrology is bollocks.

[A Follower]

Re: Astrology is a Serious Sin!

There are no 'other forces'.

Don't be an idiot. God can do anything at any range, He is the only Force that needs to be considered, everything else is hubris.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Astrology is a Serious Sin!

...God can do anything at any range, He is the only Force that needs to be considered...

So, like, His midichlorian count must be off the scale, eh?

[see_the_light]

Re: Astrology is a Serious Sin!

So, like, His midichlorian count must be off the scale, eh?

midiwhat?

What drugs have you been using?

PRAY TO JESUS!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Astrology is a Serious Sin!

I did not mention "gravity." There exist other theories in physics that could account for such things. It is not my aim to promote astrology, so I will not be describing them.

What does an addle-brained female know about "physics" I wonder.

[Mary Grace]

Re: Astrology is a Serious Sin!

What does an addle-brained female know about "physics" I wonder.

Is physics the topic of this thread?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Astrology is a Serious Sin!

Is physics the topic of this thread?

You are the one who introduced the unrelated issue into the discussion about my powerful Sermon on the sins of astrology.

And now you're sassing back.

Are you the old maid who registered here recently? Don't you have a man to service?

[Mary Grace]

Re: Astrology is a Serious Sin!

You are the one who introduced the unrelated issue into the discussion about my powerful Sermon on the sins of astrology.

And now you're sassing back.

Are you the old maid who registered here recently? Don't you have a man to service?

1. Your power sermon is an open thread. I posted a question about the title of your sermon.

2. I asked the question in order to understand the sin relative to its counterparts. That question was:

How does an astrological forecast, as a sin, differ to other timeful forecasts (e.g., meterology), as non-sin, since both share the same functional properties. 3. The fact that those properties, in the right place, may be described and debated through the specialised sciences is irrelevant to the title of this thread, "Astrology is a Serious Sin!," which I have respected. It seems also irrelevant to the rules of the forum, not to debate, which I have also respected.

4. Additionally, I choose to not get into the nitty gritty of science talk so not to detract far from your power sermon.

5. Ergo, I am unclear not about my objective, but about your focus on where my knowledge of physics comes from.

6. If you would be so kind to answer my question (#2), your answer is welcomed. If you choose to not answer directly my question, please note that my rights on this forum are none and so I will not participate with you in a Q/A session about groundless accusations, physics, gender, or age, as part of a power sermon about astrology.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Astrology is a Serious Sin!

2. I asked the question in order to understand the sin relative to its counterparts. 6. If you would be so kind to answer my question (#2)

Here we see all sins are the same.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

And here are a few sins: astrology is sorcery and you are having a fit of anger.

Gal:5:19 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, 21 envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

2. How does an astrological forecast, as a sin, differ to other timeful forecasts (e.g., meterology),

How many meatro meetter metrolig weathermen do you know who consult the stars?

[Brother John Doe]

Re: Astrology is a Serious Sin!

Oh, but Pastor Ezekiel it is not only Astrology which is a sin, but so is Astronomy.

Think about it, all of those Atheist theoretical physicists are trying to say that God didn't create the universe, but some big bang did. Nonsense!

God created the world in only the first few lines of Genesis. Astronomy is just as corrupt.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Astrology is a Serious Sin!

Oh, but Pastor Ezekiel it is not only Astrology which is a sin, but so is Astronomy.

Think about it, all of those Atheist theoretical physicists are trying to say that God didn't create the universe, but some big bang did. Nonsense!

God created the world in only the first few lines of Genesis. Astronomy is just as corrupt.

Did you just say "but" to me, boy?

I'm pretty sure that I don't need any lectures from you on sin. This thread is devoted to exposing the sin of astrology, because I caught a certain Church secretary looking at some "women's magazine" instead of doing her typing, and it was opened to the Horoscope page. And I don't ever want to see that again!