Ohio catholic dragpriest

**TC Patriot** · 07-24-2009, 04:28 AM

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All those sodomites wear dresses. That and the alter boys is what attracts so many homers ino that papist Mary worshipping cult of boy buggerers.

**Nobar King** · 07-24-2009, 04:30 AM

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Good thing that didn't happen in Iowa.

**Ezekiel Bathfire** · 07-24-2009, 10:52 AM

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I'm willing to wager that someone, probably either a false Christian or a minion of the Anti-Christ, the vicar of Rome, will come along and say, "God loves everyone."

**Pastor Isaac Peters** · 07-24-2009, 11:28 AM

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A papist priest who likes to wear dresses? Well, gosh, I'd never have guessed.

**Pastor Ezekiel** · 07-24-2009, 01:42 PM

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Good LORD! How much more depraved can they get?

Thank you Jesus, for making me a True Christian(tm).

**Whip of Japheth** · 07-24-2009, 03:30 PM

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Originally posted by Pastor Isaac Peters View Post

A papist priest who likes to wear dresses? Well, gosh, I'd never have guessed.

That is the point Pastor Isaac. We have the opened eyes about his lies and sins, this news will help to do it with whom even does not have them. Perhaps caused that are not bad news by the way.

YIC

Ps. I see you are a Senior Pastor now. Congratulations! I like your style so much, your mind is sharpened as a sword and always inspire me.

Originally posted by Pastor Ezekiel View Post

Good LORD! How much more depraved can they get?

I would like to tell the history of my country but the shame hurts me too much. But only a fact, Tomás de Torquemada juzged and burned literally Christians for thousands, the best of the spanish society. God might forgive, I can not and my signature is written thinking in them.

**Serenity-Millennium** · 07-24-2009, 03:40 PM

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Originally posted by Ezekiel Bathfire View Post

I'm willing to wager that someone, probably either a false Christian or a minion of the Anti-Christ, the vicar of Rome, will come along and say, "God loves everyone."

But, but...God DOES love everyone!

**Whip of Japheth** · 07-24-2009, 03:50 PM

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Originally posted by Serenity-Millennium View Post

But, but...God DOES love everyone!

And Moses stretched forth his rod toward heaven: and the LORD sent thunder and hail, and the fire ran along upon the ground; and the LORD rained hail upon the land of Egypt.
Exodus 9:23

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Romans 1:26,27

**Serenity-Millennium** · 07-24-2009, 04:29 PM

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That doesn't say God doesn't love them.

Philippians 2: 9-11Because of that obedience, God lifted him high and honored him far beyond anyone or anything, ever, so that all created beings in heaven and on earth—even those long ago dead and buried—will bow in worship before this Jesus Christ, and call out in praise that he is the Master of all, to the glorious honor of God the Father.

10That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

See, that says everybody will be saved, and God loves them.

**Whip of Japheth** · 07-24-2009, 05:02 PM

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Originally posted by Serenity-Millennium View Post

...that says everybody will be saved

You read what you want to believe but not all entire KJV 1611.

And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched
Mark 9:45

Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Matthew 23:33

**Serenity-Millennium** · 07-24-2009, 05:41 PM

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Whatever this valley represented in the Old Testament must be carried over to the New Testament. Nowhere in the Old Testament is this place translated "Hell" and nowhere in the Old Testament is there a hint that this place referred to a place of eternal punishment after death. The word which Jesus referred to most often which the King James Bible unfortunately chose to render "hell," in the New Testament, but did not do so in the Old Testament, is this word "Hinnom" or Ge-hinnom (valley of Hinnom) or "Ge-ben-hinnom" (valley of the sons of Hinnom) which was transliterated into the Greek as "gehenna." A thorough study of this place in the Old Testament will dispel much myth regarding its significance. The Scriptural references for such a study are: Josh. 15:8; 18:16; 2 Kings 9:7; 15:3,4; 23:10, 36, 39; Ez. 23:37,39; 2 Chr. 28:3; Lev. 18:21; 20:2; Jer. 7:30-32; 19:2-6; 32:35. Remember, this place is never referred to as "Hell" in the Old Testament. References to this very same place in the New Testament are: Matt. 5:22; 5:29, 30; 10:28; 18:9; 23:15; 23:33; Mark 9:43; 9:45; 9:47; Luke 12:5; James 3:6. It should be mentioned that most of these references come from Jesus' mouth and every reference to this word "gehenna" was addressed to God's own people, not to the nations around Israel.

Gehenna was a well-known locality near Jerusalem, and ought no more to be translated Hell, than should Sodom or Gomorrah. See Josh. 15:8; 2 Kings 17:10; 2 Chron. 28:3; Jer. 7:31,32; 19:2.
Gehenna is never employed in the Old Testament to mean anything else than the place with which every Jew was familiar.
The word should have been left untranslated as it is in some versions, and it would not be misunderstood. It was not misunderstood by the Jews to whom Jesus addressed it. Walter Balfour well says: 'What meaning would the Jews, who were familiar with this word, and knew it to signify the valley of Hinnom, be likely to attach to it when they heard it used by our Lord? Would they contrary to all former usage, transfer its meaning from a place with whose locality and history they had been familiar from their infancy, to a place of misery in another world? By what rule of interpretation, then, can we arrive at the conclusion that this word means a place of misery after death?
The French Bible, the Emphatic Diaglott, Improved Version, Wakefield's Translation, and Newcomb's, retain the proper noun, Gehenna, the name of a place as well-known as Babylon. (Many other Bibles since this was written, have also removed "Hell" and put "Gehenna" back.
Gehenna is never mentioned in the Apocrypha as a place of future punishment, as it would have been, had such been its meaning before and at the time of Christ.
No Jewish writer, such as Josephus, or Philo, ever used it as the name of a place of future punishment, as they would have done had such then been its meaning.
No classical Greek author ever alludes to it, and therefore, it was a Jewish locality, purely.
The first Jewish writer who ever names it as a place of future punishment is Jonathan Ben Uzziel, who wrote, according to various authorities, from somewhere between the second to the eighth century A.D.
The first Christian writer who calls Hell, Gehenna, is Justin Martyr, who wrote about A.D. 150.
Neither Christ nor his apostles ever named it to Gentiles, but only to Jews, which proves it a locality only known to Jews, wheras, if it were a place of punishment after death for sinners, it would have been preached to Gentiles as well as to Jews.
It was only referred to twelve times, on eight occasions, in all the ministry of Christ and the apostles, and in the Gospels and Epistles. Were they faithful to their mission to say no more than this, on so vital a theme as an endless Hell, if they intended to teach it?
Only Jesus and James ever named it. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jude ever employ it. Would they not have warned sinners concerning it, if there were a Gehenna of torment after death?
Paul says he 'shunned not to declare the whole counsel of God,' and yet, though he was the great preacher of the Gospel to the Gentiles he never told them that Gehenna is a place of after-death punishment. Dr. Thomas Thayer significantly remarks: 'The Savior and James are the only persons in all the New Testament who use the word. John the Baptist, who preached to the most wicked of men, did not use it once. Paul, wrote 14 epistles, and yet never once mentions it. Peter does not name it, nor Jude; and John, who wrote the gospel, three epistles, and the Book of Revelation, never employs it in a single instance. (the Greek words of "lake of fire" in Revelation is not Gehenna) Now if Gehenna or Hell really reveals the terrible fact of endless woe, how can we account for this strange silence? How is it possible, if they knew its meaning, and believed it a part of Christ's teaching, that they should not have used it a hundred or a thousand times, instead of never using it at all; especially when we consider the infinite interests involved? The Book of Acts contains the record of the apostolic preaching, and the history of the first planting of the church among the Jews and Gentiles, and embraces a period of thirty years from the ascension of Christ. In all this history, in all this preaching of the apostles of Jesus, there is no mention of Gehenna. In thirty years of missionary effort, these men of God, addressing people of all characters and nations, never, under any circumstances, threaten them with the torments of Gehenna, or allude to it in the most distant manner! In the face of such a fact as this, can any man believe that Gehenna signifies endless punishment, and that this is a part of divine revelation, a part of the Gospel message to the world? These considerations show how impossible it is to establish the doctrine in review on the word Gehenna All the facts are against the supposition that the term was used by Christ or his disciples in the sense of endless punishment. There is not the least hint of any such meaning attached to it, nor the slightest preparatory notice that any such new revelation was to be looked for in this old familiar word.
Jesus never uttered it to unbelieving Jews, nor to anybody but his disciples, but twice (Matt. 23:15-33) during his entire ministry, nor but four times in all. If it were the final abode of unhappy millions, would not his warnings abound with exhortations to avoid it?
Jesus never warned unbelievers against it but once in all his ministry, ((Matt. 23:33) and he immediately explained it as about to come in this life.
If Gehenna is the name of Hell then men's bodies are burned there, and well as their souls. (Matt. 5:29; 18:9)
If it be the name of endless torment, then literal fire is the sinner's punishment. (Mark 9:43-48)
Gehenna is never said to be of endless duration, nor spoken of as destined to last forever, so that even admitting the popular ideas of its existence after death, it gives no support to the idea of endless torment.
Clement, a Universalist, (of the early church) used Gehenna to describe his ideas of punishment. He was one of the earliest of the Christian Fathers. The word did not then denote endless punishment.
A shameful death, or a severe punishment, in this life, was, at the time of Christ, denominated Gehenna, (Schleusner, Canon Farrar, and others), and there is no evidence that Gehenna meant anything else, at the time of Christ." (end of insert from The Bible Hell)

http://www.tentmaker.org/books/asw/Chapter14.html

Matthew 23:33 'Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of Hell?' Nearly 2,000 years have passed and Jewry has suffered the barrenness and rejection of almost all other peoples. He who wept over Jerusalem saw their hardness of heart and also their consequences, wandering from nation to nation in a nightmare of rejection, humiliation and suffering. Matthew 23:37-38 'O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate' It has been well said, Jewry sowed one cross on Calvary and reaped thousands a few short years later as the city ran with blood and destruction. Rejected, despised, they have wandered down the last two millenniums. From nation to nation, ridiculed, persecuted, decimated yet ever existing in such a fearful state of continuing survival to always exist, yet always dying in the most fearful experiences. Who, among all the nations in history have ever suffered and continued to suffer like Jewry? They have come and still do; to the wailing Wall in Jerusalem over the centuries, yet no relief has come. I have seen them there, praying, wailing, weeping, yet as they performed their activities it seemed as though the very stones before which they stood mocked them with their own barren looks and dryness. Despair surrounds them like a shroud of death, living as it were in a continual state of dying yet never coming to an ultimate end. Just as the Lord God said to Adam in the beginning, Genesis 2:17 'In dying you shall continue to die' The wailing Wall is a sacred place for Jewry being huge stones, relics of Solomon's temple of centuries ago and Jewry today worships at a memory. Lamentations 2:18 'Their heart cried unto the Lord, O wall of the daughter of Zion, let tears run down like a river day and night: give thyself no rest; let not the apple of thine eye cease'.

The Rich Man and Lazarus by J. Patching

http://www.tentmaker.org/books/RichManandLazarus-Patching.html

Matthew 23:33
Eighteen verses later, Jesus used Gehenna for the eleventh time. Continuing in the same address, he said:
Ye serpents, ye offspring of vipers, how shall ye escape the judgment of hell (Gehenna-SGD)?
Just three verses later, Jesus said, in Mt. 23.36:
Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
About these same things, Jesus said in Mt. 24.34:
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished.
Thus, Jesus gave the time element when this fiery destruction on the land would be carried out: in that generation, i.e., in the time of his dealing with the then present generation of Jews. To sum up, Jesus threatened the Jews in the environs of Jerusalem that they were headed for the valley named Gehenna where there would be unquenchable fire (Mk. 9.43) upon his generation (Mt. 23.36) in his generation (Mt. 24.34), when God destroys the souls of those of Jesus' generation after killing their bodies (Lk. 12.5, Mt. 10.28). We cannot make it more precise! Gehenna is where Jesus said Jerusalem would end up after its unstoppable fiery destruction in 70 A.D.

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**Whip of Japheth** · 07-24-2009, 06:06 PM

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Originally posted by Serenity-Millennium View Post

The word which Jesus referred to most often which the King James Bible unfortunately chose to render "hell," in the New Testament, but did not do so in the Old Testament.

Your argumentation is not necessary with me. I can read both in their original languages (and i believe in both).

The hell is real, you speak here like catholics does to me (better than you). If you don't feel any fear about the hell you have a several trouble about for sure.

You are in the correct place then. I must not go too deep in the Theological Logic here because my english is poor and i don't want to fall in a blasphemy sin caused by a language mistake. Listen to the Pastors about, your soul is in the pot.

I can hate you, but your soul is expensive for God then i can love it. Remember, we are offering you the Real Salvation.

**Pastor Isaac Peters** · 07-24-2009, 07:09 PM

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Originally posted by Whip of Japheth View Post

Ps. I see you are a Senior Pastor now. Congratulations! I like your style so much, your mind is sharpened as a sword and always inspire me.

Thank you for your kind words.

**Serenity-Millennium** · 07-24-2009, 08:16 PM

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Originally posted by Whip of Japheth View Post

Your argumentation is not necessary with me. I can read both in their original languages (and i believe in both).

The hell is real, you speak here like catholics does to me (better than you). If you don't feel any fear about the hell you have a several trouble about for sure.

You are in the correct place then. I must not go too deep in the Theological Logic here because my english is poor and i don't want to fall in a blasphemy sin caused by a language mistake. Listen to the Pastors about, your soul is in the pot.

I can hate you, but your soul is expensive for God then i can love it. Remember, we are offering you the Real Salvation.

If language is an issue, I actually can speak Spanish myself. You say I am like a Catholic? Did you know Catholics made up the idea of hell?

Catholic Hell Copied from Heathen Sources.

Classic scholars know that the heathen hell was early copied by the Catholic church, and that almost its entire details afterwards entered into the creeds of Catholic and Protestant churches up to a century ago. Any reader may see this who will consult Pagan literature 16 and writers on the opinions of the ancients. And not only this, but the heathen writers declare that the doctrine was invented to awe and control the multitude. Polybius writes: "Since the multitude is ever fickle * * * there is no other way to keep them in order but by fear of the invisible world; on which account our ancestors seem to me to have acted judiciously, when they contrived to bring into the popular belief these notions of the gods and of the infernal regions." Seneca says: "Those things which make the infernal regions terrible, the darkness, the prison, the river of flaming fire, the judgment seat, etc., are all a fable." Livy declares that Numa invented the doctrine, "a most efficacious means of governing an ignorant and barbarous populace." Strabo writes: "The multitude are restrained from vice by the punishments the gods are said to inflict upon offenders, * * * for it is impossible to govern the crowd of women and all the common rabble by philosophical reasoning: these things the legislators used as scarecrows to terrify the childish multitude." Similar language is found in Dionysius Halicarnassus, Plato, and other writers. History records nothing more distinctly than that the Greek and Roman Pagans borrowed of the Egyptians, and that some of the early Christians unconsciously absorbed, or studiously appropriated, the doctrines of the Egyptians, Greeks and Romans concerning post-mortem punishment, and gradually corrupted the "simplicity that is in Christ" 17 by the inventions of antiquity, as from the same sources the Jews at the time of Christ had already corrupted their religion. 18 What more natural than that the small reservoir of Christian truth should be contaminated by the opinions that converts from all these sources brought with them into their new religion at first, and later that the Roman Catholic priests and Pagan legislators should seize them as engines of power by which to control the world?

http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Prevailing.shtml

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