[David Goldman]

Re: What you must do to be saved

So you are saying that you doubt the Bible when it says all things are possible through God? Oh ye of little faith. Why do you call Jesus a liar?

I know that I doubt what YOU say about the Bible.

For starters, the quote is not "through" God, but "with" God. Matthew 19:26, Luke 1:37

Next, it is inherently implied that "all thing" means "all things not intrinsically impossible". So don't play the game "if God can do all things, can He sin? Can He make a rock bigger than he can lift? Can He break a promise? Can He sacrifice his Son's body and blood on a continuous basis?" Posing such questions is simply rebellion and vexes the Holy Spirit. Isaiah 63:10

Last, Hebrews 10 spells out plainly that Jesus' scarifice is a one time deal:

12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

The Body was broken and the Blood was shed once and once only. What you are suggesting is intrinsically impossible. So yes, -- there are some things that God can not or will not do. And breaking a promise is one of them.

[James Peter]

Re: What you must do to be saved

http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2001/0109sbs.asp3. Even if you don’t believe Christ dies during the Mass, the Bible still says that he was offered once for all (Heb 9:24–28). Doesn’t re-sacrificing him at Mass mean Calvary wasn’t enough?

Christ’s bloody sacrifice on Calvary took place once, and it will never be repeated. To repeat his sacrifice would be to imply that the original offering was defective or insufficient, like the animal sacrifices of the Old Testament that could never take away sins. Jesus’ offering was perfect, efficacious, and eternal.

Protestants have no qualms accepting the perfect and efficacious nature of Christ’s sacrifice, but invite them to consider its eternal.aspect. Jesus is eternally a priest, and a priest’s very nature is to offer sacrifice. In the case of Christ, the eternal sacrifice that he offers is himself. This is why he appears in the book of Revelation as a lamb, standing as though he had been slain (Rev. 5:6). He appears in heaven in the state of a victim not because he still needs to suffer but because for all eternity he re-presents himself to God appealing to the work of the cross, interceding for us (Rom 8:34), and bringing the graces of Calvary to us.

The Mass is a participation in this one heavenly offering. The risen Christ becomes present on the altar and offers himself to God as a living sacrifice. Like the Mass, Christ words at the Last Supper are words of sacrifice, "This is my body . . . this is my blood . . . given up for you." So, the Mass is not repeating the murder of Jesus, but is taking part in what never ends: the offering of Christ to the Father for our sake (Heb 7:25, 9:24). After all, if Calvary didn’t get the job done, then the Mass won’t help. It is precisely because the death of Christ was sufficient that the Mass is celebrated. It does not add to or take away from the work of Christ—it is the work of Christ.

[Johnnyboy]

Re: What you must do to be saved

Why do you hate America?

[godsdrummer]

Re: What you must do to be saved

There he goes again! Spouting off random Catholic gibberish that makes no sence.

[James Peter]

Re: What you must do to be saved

I don't hate America.

There are a lot of Catholics here.

[David Goldman]

Re: What you must do to be saved

http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2001/0109sbs.asp3. Even if you don’t believe Christ dies during the Mass . . . yada, yada, yada

OK, let's just keep this simple, because I am falling asleep 3 lines into your ravings.

We celebrate communion as well. We just don't perform witchcraft over the juice and wafer. That's because we know a metaphor when we see one.

It's kind of like when we ask for a girl's hand in marriage, we don't actually tear it off at the wrist. And when we win her heart, we don't actually pull it out of her chest. And when we take communion, we don't actually become cannibals and use our LORD and Savior as pre-lunch appetizer.

Your way sounds way too much like a Satanic ritual to me.

[James Peter]

Re: What you must do to be saved

http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2001/0103sbs.asp

Cannibalism is when one individual physically eats the human flesh off of another’s body. Catholic or not, the words in John 6 do sound cannibalistic. Even a Fundamentalist would have to say that he eats the flesh of Christ and drinks his blood in a symbolic manner so as to concur with the passage. By the same allowance, Catholics eat the flesh of Christ and drink his blood in a sacramental way. Neither the Protestant nor the Catholic appears to be doing anything cannibalistic, though.

It would have been cannibalism is if a disciple two thousand years ago had tried literally to eat Jesus by sinking his teeth into his arm. Now that our Lord is in heaven with a glorified body and made present under the appearance of bread in the Eucharist, cannibalism is not possible.

[David Goldman]

Re: What you must do to be saved

http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2001/0103sbs.asp

Cannibalism is when one individual physically eats the human flesh off of another’s body. Catholic or not, the words in John 6 do sound cannibalistic.

Of course they SOUND cannibalistic -- that's what a metaphor is, by definition. And his disciples knew that, because Jesus taught in parables, which are extended metaphors.

Your sin is the same sin of the pharisees. You try to take it literally, just like Nicodemus did in John 3. And just like him, you fail.

Hopefully someday the Holy Spirit will open your eyes and you will see the true meaning and not just the words. Until then, you and your "church" remain just as blind and damned as the ones whom Jesus confounded during his time on earth. And God confounds for a reason, so if I were you (and praise God I am not) then I'd be doing a lot of praying right about now.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: What you must do to be saved

http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2001/0103sbs.asp

Cannibalism is when one individual physically eats the human flesh off of another’s body. Catholic or not, the words in John 6 do sound cannibalistic. Even a Fundamentalist would have to say that he eats the flesh of Christ and drinks his blood in a symbolic manner so as to concur with the passage. By the same allowance, Catholics eat the flesh of Christ and drink his blood in a sacramental way. Neither the Protestant nor the Catholic appears to be doing anything cannibalistic, though.

It would have been cannibalism is if a disciple two thousand years ago had tried literally to eat Jesus by sinking his teeth into his arm. Now that our Lord is in heaven with a glorified body and made present under the appearance of bread in the Eucharist, cannibalism is not possible.

But papist teaching is that the death cookies LITERALLY turn into the ACTUAL flesh of Christ once they pass your lips.

You fools are no better than witch doctors shouting "ooga-booga" in the jungles of Africa.

[James Peter]

Re: What you must do to be saved

Of course they SOUND cannibalistic -- that's what a metaphor is, by definition. And his disciples knew that, because Jesus taught in parables, which are extended metaphors.

Your sin is the same sin of the pharisees. You try to take it literally, just like Nicodemus did in John 3. And just like him, you fail.

Hopefully someday the Holy Spirit will open your eyes and you will see the true meaning and not just the words. Until then, you and your "church" remain just as blind and damned as the ones whom Jesus confounded during his time on earth. And God confounds for a reason, so if I were you (and praise God I am not) then I'd be doing a lot of praying right about now.

Ok, so let me see if I understand. You say he Bible should NOT be interpreted literally? Am I correct?

And I do a lot of praying, I say three cycles of the rosary every day.

[Rosaline Aurora]

Re: What you must do to be saved

You are wrong. You are making Jesus out to be a liar.

Does the Bible say anything about conscious decision, hmm?

The Bible says BELIEVE and be baptized. A baby doesn't know shapes, colors, etc.. so how can a baby believe that Jesus was the Son of God and died for their sins.

Did I say you aren't allowed to read the Bible whenever you wanted? No, I didn't. Your strawmen arguments are ridiculous.

In your post you did say:

4) Do this every week, as well as reciting the same prayers and listen to some homilies and Bible readings once a week on Sundays, while making sure to stand up, sit down, and kneel on command.

According to your statement we're only supposed to listen to someone else reading from the Bible on Sundays and that will get us into Heaven.
I'm sure you can see where that can be a bit confusing for people.

I imagine counting to ten confuses the likes of you, silly Protestant.



Well yeah, they don't give the remedial students bad grades, it might hurt their self-esteem.



Why exactly should I listen to some silly woman who is "95% certain" about something. Do you actually know anything?

So, 1st you tell how to be Saved according to your flawed, demonic teaching, and then you insult people as though you were in High School? How old are you, really?

[David Goldman]

Re: What you must do to be saved

Ok, so let me see if I understand. You say he Bible should NOT be interpreted literally? Am I correct?

Ah see? You are continuing to be blinded. The Bible is always to be interpreted literally. If Jesus is speaking in a parable, then you had better treat it literally as a parable. If he speaks plainly , then you had better interpret it literally plain. If you can not tell the difference, then you have been confounded by God for a reason.

So I do not blame you for your ignorance. God has caused you to be ignorant for a reason, and I praise Him for whatever that reason may be.

[James Peter]

Re: What you must do to be saved

The Bible says BELIEVE and be baptized. A baby doesn't know shapes, colors, etc.. so how can a baby believe that Jesus was the Son of God and died for their sins.

Where does the Bible say believe and then be baptized?

In your post you did say:
According to your statement we're only supposed to listen to someone else reading from the Bible on Sundays and that will get us into Heaven.
I'm sure you can see where that can be a bit confusing for people.

It's not confusing for anyone with reading comprehension skills, but you are just a woman, so I forgive you.

So, 1st you tell how to be Saved according to your flawed, demonic teaching, and then you insult people as though you were in High School? How old are you, really?

I will stop insulting you idiotic Protestant losers once you have apologized for changing for user title to Papist Stooge.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: What you must do to be saved

Where does the Bible say believe and then be baptized?


It's not confusing for anyone with reading comprehension skills, but you are just a woman, so I forgive you.



I will stop insulting you idiotic Protestant losers once you have apologized for changing for user title to Papist Stooge.

A simple explanation of catholicism

Read it and weep. Admit is, all you like is the pomp, riches and ceremony that is so far divorced from the life of Our Savior.

[James Peter]

Re: What you must do to be saved

You sound like Judas.

John 12: 3Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment.
4Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him,
5Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?
6This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.
7Then said Jesus, Let her alone: against the day of my burying hath she kept this.
8For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always.