[Cbeck29]

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Wait, you two both have the "flat earth" award for "valiantly fighting the lies of blasphemous round earthers"? Oh my gosh! I have been trying to have an intelligent argument with people who think the earth is FLAT?! Oh man, this goes way farther than religion, you two are just plain uneducated! Haven't you been in a plane, or on a boat, or in first grade? I don't think I can take you seriously anymore!

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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Wait, you two both have the "flat earth" award for "valiantly fighting the lies of blasphemous round earthers"? Oh my gosh! I have been trying to have an intelligent argument with people who think the earth is FLAT?! Oh man, this goes way farther than religion, you two are just plain uneducated! Haven't you been in a plane, or on a boat, or in first grade? I don't think I can take you seriously anymore!

We believe what the Bible tells us about the universe. The Catholic institution used to do so as well, as when it defended Biblically correct cosmology against Galileo.

[Jack O'fagan]

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Wait, you two both have the "flat earth" award for "valiantly fighting the lies of blasphemous round earthers"? Oh my gosh! I have been trying to have an intelligent argument with people who think the earth is FLAT?! Oh man, this goes way farther than religion, you two are just plain uneducated! Haven't you been in a plane, or on a boat, or in first grade? I don't think I can take you seriously anymore!

So who was right Galileo or the infallible pope?

YIC

Jack

[Cbeck29]

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1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Note: Jesus. Not "Christ Jesus and His mommy."

If crackers turn to "Magical Jesusburger Sliders" after swallowing . . .

And Catholics are supposed to abstain from meat on Fridays . . .

Can they take communion on Fridays?

Then why do you ignore what it plainly says?

That's what they say.


What about when the next pope says the last one was wrong? Does that mean the Holy Spirit has changed His mind?

We believe what the Bible tells us about the universe. The Catholic institution used to do so as well, as when it defended Biblically correct cosmology against Galileo.

1. Catholics can eat meat on all Fridays except during lent.
2. The catholic church recognized the roundness of the earth shortly after galileo's life. My faith has been criticized for being 500 years behind yours in regards to the translation of the bible into vernacular languages. But you buffoons STILL actually believe the earth is flat!!! Magellan sailed around it! You can fly around it! You can see its spherical shape from satellite images from space! It's simple scientific calculations, and basic observation at his point! Flat earth? No brain is more like it.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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Wait, you two both have the "flat earth" award for "valiantly fighting the lies of blasphemous round earthers"? Oh my gosh! I have been trying to have an intelligent argument with people who think the earth is FLAT?! Oh man, this goes way farther than religion, you two are just plain uneducated! Haven't you been in a plane, or on a boat, or in first grade? I don't think I can take you seriously anymore!

I'm not supposed to have the Flat Earth award, but they put it up anyway. I forgot it was there because it's round. My congregation does not subscribe to the flat-circular-disk-with-corners belief.

1. Catholics can eat meat on all Fridays except during lent.

So, if crackers turn to Magical Jesusburger Sliders upon swallowing, can Catholics take Communion on Fridays during Lent?

2. The catholic church recognized the roundness of the earth shortly after galileo's life.

So, as Brother Jack asked, which was correct? Galileo, or the infallible Pope who was "directed by Holy Spirit"?

Pick one. Can't have both.

[Cbeck29]

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So who was right Galileo or the infallible pope?

YIC

Jack

Ok you don't know what papal infallibility is... It states that the pope's are infallible when dictating a church dogma on faith or morals.
The shape of the earth? Hardly a moral issue. It's an objective fact. Like most people of the time, the 17th century pope believed the earth was flat. Wrong on an objective level. Right on any moral level. The pope's infallibility does not extend to whatever they say ever. The pope cannot randomly say, "I have waffles on my bed" and then proceed to convince millions that waffles indeed lie on his pillow. However, he can say, "abortion is morally wrong" and we accept his authority as the moral truth.
You can't ignore the earth's shape. You have no modern objective proof that it is flat. I can't even believe that I'm having this absurd argument. The fact that you are desperately trying to shift the topic onto papal infallibility, a topic about which you are undinformed, proves that you have no idea what you're talking about.

[Cindy Lou Jenkins]

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Ok you don't know what papal infallibility is... It states that the pope's are infallible when dictating a church dogma on faith or morals.
The shape of the earth? Hardly a moral issue. It's an objective fact. Like most people of the time, the 17th century pope believed the earth was flat. Wrong on an objective level. Right on any moral level. The pope's infallibility does not extend to whatever they say ever. The pope cannot randomly say, "I have waffles on my bed" and then proceed to convince millions that waffles indeed lie on his pillow. However, he can say, "abortion is morally wrong" and we accept his authority as the moral truth.
You can't ignore the earth's shape. You have no modern objective proof that it is flat. I can't even believe that I'm having this absurd argument. The fact that you are desperately trying to shift the topic onto papal infallibility, a topic about which you are undinformed, proves that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Matthew 4:8 proves that the Earth is flat. Jesus and Satan went to the top of a mountain in order to see all the kingdoms of the world. How could they see all the kingdoms of the world from a single point of high elevation unless the world was flat?

If the Earth is not flat then the Bible is not the Word of God. The Bible is the Word of God therefore the Earth is flat. Check and mate.

(Billy Bob: I approve this post).

[Cbeck29]

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Matthew 4:8 proves that the Earth is flat. Jesus and Satan went to the top of a mountain in order to see all the kingdoms of the world. How could they see all the kingdoms of the world from a single point of high elevation unless the world was flat?

If the Earth is not flat then the Bible is not the Word of God. The Bible is the Word of God therefore the Earth is flat. Check and mate.

(Billy Bob: I approve this post).

You high, bro? The world is round. Matthew proves nothing. Matthew writes about a 1st century world. Honestly, I'll humor you. The kingdoms of the ancient world probably could be viewed from an extremely high mountain conjured by the devil. How could someone smart enough to use a computer actually believe that the Earth,, is Flat. Are you retarded?

[Cindy Lou Jenkins]

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You high, bro? The world is round. Matthew proves nothing. Matthew writes about a 1st century world. Honestly, I'll humor you. The kingdoms of the ancient world probably could be viewed from an extremely high mountain conjured by the devil. How could someone smart enough to use a computer actually believe that the Earth,, is Flat. Are you retarded?

So which is it? Is the Earth flat, or is the Bible false?

(Billy Bob: I approve this post).

[Jack O'fagan]

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Ok you don't know what papal infallibility is... It states that the pope's are infallible when dictating a church dogma on faith or morals.
The shape of the earth? Hardly a moral issue. It's an objective fact. Like most people of the time, the 17th century pope believed the earth was flat. Wrong on an objective level. Right on any moral level. The pope's infallibility does not extend to whatever they say ever. The pope cannot randomly say, "I have waffles on my bed" and then proceed to convince millions that waffles indeed lie on his pillow. However, he can say, "abortion is morally wrong" and we accept his authority as the moral truth.
You can't ignore the earth's shape. You have no modern objective proof that it is flat. I can't even believe that I'm having this absurd argument. The fact that you are desperately trying to shift the topic onto papal infallibility, a topic about which you are undinformed, proves that you have no idea what you're talking about.

When Galileo was locked up in his cell would he have understood your point. If the Holy Spirit whispers in the popes ear about limbo couldn't he have discussed the shape of the earth at the same time? By the way, how are all those babies doing in limbo? Or was that another papal infallible mistake?

YIC

Jack

[Cindy Lou Jenkins]

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When Galileo was locked up in his cell would he have understood your point. If the Holy Spirit whispers in the popes ear about limbo couldn't he have discussed the shape of the earth at the same time? By the way, how are all those babies doing in limbo? Or was that another papal infallible mistake?

YIC

Jack

According to this unsaved catholic idolater, the Pope is infallible when it comes to morality. Therefore, it is perfectly ethical to lock up innocent scientists, for being right. i wonder if they remembered to jot that down in their catechism.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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You high, bro? The world is round. Matthew proves nothing. Matthew writes about a 1st century world. Honestly, I'll humor you. The kingdoms of the ancient world probably could be viewed from an extremely high mountain conjured by the devil. How could someone smart enough to use a computer actually believe that the Earth,, is Flat. Are you retarded?

The verse doesn't talk about the kingdoms of the world as known to people in Israel back then. The verse talks about all the kingdoms of the world; that language plainly includes China and the ancient kingdoms in the Americas.

[Cbeck29]

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So which is it? Is the Earth flat, or is the Bible false?

(Billy Bob: I approve this post).

Dear, I hate to ruin your day, but the Bible doesn't directly say that the world is flat. You are inferring that, but it's wrong. NASA launched a shuttle last year, some 2000 years after Matthew wrote. Since then, science has made great strides, and proved the roundness of the earth.
Question: when do I get my "round earth" badge for "intelligently educating the ignorant flat-earthers?"

[James Peter]

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Wait, you two both have the "flat earth" award for "valiantly fighting the lies of blasphemous round earthers"? Oh my gosh! I have been trying to have an intelligent argument with people who think the earth is FLAT?! Oh man, this goes way farther than religion, you two are just plain uneducated! Haven't you been in a plane, or on a boat, or in first grade? I don't think I can take you seriously anymore!

Hey friend. I'm a Catholic too, but you shouldn't be so quick to dismiss flat earth. Here's a great website that talks all about it: http://www.scripturecatholic.com/geocentrism.html

"Geocentrism is the view that the earth is the center of the universe, and that the universe (sun, moon, stars, planets) revolves around the earth. Most geocentrists also believe that the earth stands still, and does not rotate on its axis. Geocentrism is in contrast to heliocentrism, which is the view that the earth rotates on its axis and, along with the other planets, revolves around the sun. While it is permissible for Christians to hold the heliocentric view, heliocentrism can only be advanced as a theory, not a certainty (because neither heliocentrism nor geocentrism can be scientifically proven definitively). In fact, three Popes (Paul V, Urban VIII and Alexander VII) have officially declared that heliocentrism is opposed to Sacred Scripture, and condemned the notion that heliocentrism was a truth to be believed with certainty. Instead, the Scriptures, the Apostolic Tradition and teachings of the Church support a geocentric cosmology vis-à-vis a heliocentric one. Nota Bene: I am a faithful Catholic, not a scientist. I am obedient to the Magisterium of the Catholic Church. When presented with a question of faith (such as how God created the universe), I look to the Scriptures, the Tradition and the teachings of the Catholic Church for the answer. I do not rely upon modern scientists who have been unable to prove heliocentrism and disprove geocentrism, especially those who deny the inerrancy of Scripture and generally abhor the Catholic faith."

"Joshua 10:12-14 – “Then spoke Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord gave the Amorites over to the men of Israel; and he said in the sight of Israel, ‘Sun, stand thou still at Gibeon, and thou Moon in the valley of Aijalon.’ And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stayed in the midst of heaven, and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day. There has been no day like it before or since, when the Lord hearkened to the voice of a man; for the Lord fought for Israel.” This is the most powerful passage which supports a geocentric view of the universe. This passage clearly says that both the sun and moon stopped moving. This is the literal reading of the passage, and the passage does not warrant a figurative or phenomenological interpretation. Why? First, the book of Joshua was written to record actual historical events in the history of Israel (as opposed to figurative or poetic literature found elsewhere in Scripture), and there is no compelling reason to interpret it other than literally. Second, heliocentrists believe the moon moves. Therefore, it would be contradictory for them to claim that Joshua told the moon to stand still literally, but told the sun to stand still figuratively. The most reasonable conclusion is that both the moon and sun were moving, and both the moon and sun stopped moving at Joshua’s command. Finally, Joshua records that the sun stopped over Gibeon, while the moon stopped over Aijalon. These are two distinct points on the earth which confirm the coordinates of cessation of movement of the sun and moon. There are other Scriptures which also indicate that the sun, moon and stars are moving"

"In 1564, the Council of Trent (Session IV, April 8) infallibly declared that that no one could “in matters of faith and of morals pertaining to the edification of Christian doctrine...interpret the sacred Scriptures…even contrary to the unanimous consent of the Fathers.” "

"In other words, when the Fathers are unanimous about an interpretation of Scripture, their understanding comes from the Sacred Deposit of Faith handed down by Christ and the Apostles. The Fathers unanimously interpreted the Scriptures to support a geocentric cosmology. According to Trent and Vatican I (two dogmatic ecumenical councils of the Catholic Church), we are not permitted to depart from their interpretation of the Scriptures, because their interpretation is deemed to have come from the Apostles. Those who reject geocentrism must explain why they do not submit to this rule of biblical interpretation set forth by two infallible councils."

"10) The Fathers hold that light was created after the earth, but that this light preceded the light of the sun and stars."

"1564 – Council of Trent (Session IV, April 8): the Council infallibly teaches that no one could “in matters of faith and of morals pertaining to the edification of Christian doctrine...interpret the sacred Scriptures…even contrary to the unanimous consent of the Fathers.” The Fathers unanimously interpreted the Scriptures as supporting a geocentric cosmology."

"If the earth is indeed the center, then God is trying to tell us that we are special to Him. We are unique. We are destined to be with Him forever. This is why He opens His written revelation with the creation account. This is also why the atheists and agnostics want so badly to disprove geocentrism, because if they can do that, they can argue that there is no God. They want to argue that there is no God because they don’t want to be accountable to Him. If science would definitively disprove the geocentric theory, then, as St. Bellarmine suggests, “it would be necessary to proceed with great caution in explaining the passages of Scripture which seemed contrary, and we would rather have to say that we did not understand them than to say that something was false which has been demonstrated."

[Didymus Much]

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...The shape of the earth? Hardly a moral issue...

Shuffling known pedophile priests around different dioceses so they (and the Church) escaped punishment while he was in charge of discipline? Hardly a moral issue...

...You have no modern objective proof that it is flat...

Because the Bible tells them so, and unlike your cult, they take the Bible as the Word of God, which cannot change, however much it might make some uncomfortable.

Hebrews 13:8 "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever."