[Wide-Open]

Re: The Order of Melchizedek what does it mean?

I already told you that I came from heaven and began my life here as a Fish.

And you then "evolved" into a jellyfish, right?

Good Lord! <shakes head>

One straightjacked for ward five coming up!

[Aguaws]

Re: The Order of Melchizedek what does it mean?

No Wide Open I did not evolve into a jelly fish. I evolved into a Fisher of men.

You reminded me of a story that happened to me when I was five and living in Panama City Fl. My family owned a small island that rented sail boats and took people on fishing charters. One day I was walking the small island. I had a blue float the blow up type. My parents were doing their job taking care of the business and I was alone by myself. I put the float on the water and laid upon it. I fell asleep and floated out into the ocean. I was asleep laying face down it should have been the end for me.

I was touched on my shoulder and I awoke from my sleep by a man. He had long black hair and a beard. I looked around and could not see land at all. I had drifted far from shore. I should have been scared but I was not. This man pulled me upon his small sail boat. And we began to sail he talked about things that I didn’t understand at the time because I was only five. As we sailed there were many kinds of fish and jellyfish, man of wars, and horse shoe grabs underneath the sail boat. This kind man explained and pointed them all out to me. The animals stayed by the boat as if they were leading the way.

We sailed for a long while all the time he talked to me. He comforted me so I was not afraid at all. I enjoyed the ride and the things I saw. I don’t know how he knew where I came from but he took me right back to where my family was. He did not get off his small boat but he told me to go ashore. To this day I remember his last words to me. He said son go back to your mother it is not your time yet. At the time I didn’t understand what he meant. Today I do and I know who that man was. You would never believe it but that is fine it is not yet your time to understand all that I am telling you.

You probably don’t believe this either but it is true. Who do you think this man was?

My time has come now. I am here at this site for a reason that reason is known by God he is my direction he leads me in the direction that he wants. If it were up to me I would just sit here in my home and watch and wait and keep my family safe. I write what God directs me to write. I know you can’t accept this but I don’t hesitate to do as I am told to do. You can’t accept that God talks to people anymore. And that is a grave mistake. He always warns before he acts. He always gives you a chance to be saved before he acts. Maybe this is your chance. And all that read what I write. You might not understand what I write but there are others that might.

I am a Fisher of men.

[Nobar King]

Re: The Order of Melchizedek what does it mean?

Who do you think this man was?

Raul Gonzales?

[Aguaws]

Re: The Order of Melchizedek what does it mean?

How about God himself? My father

[SayvedByTheLord]

Re: The Order of Melchizedek what does it mean?

How about God himself? My father

Naaaa, probably Charles Manson.

[Aguaws]

Re: The Order of Melchizedek what does it mean?

People today have very little faith. They accept very little. But they ask and pray for everything. They always want but give little. They take everything as theirs. They say they own this and that but truly own nothing. They say they love but show none. They say they believe but believe little. They just want their reward. Reward for What?

Well let's get this ball rolling. Let's stop beating the ass. The ass saw what Balaam could not. Balaam was told not to do something. He did it any way. The ass stopped him three times. Just as Peter crowed three times.

I told you that I was the First Witness you can't accept that. I told you that I was the First to Fall from heaven you can't even accept that.

Who was the First to Fall? Who was the First to Fall?

You know his last Name but not his First. The First Being to Fall my friends what was his name?

That's who I am. The First Witness must be the First Born. I am the First now who was that?

Faith = Follow Adam In Through Here surly you must not die.

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Re: The Order of Melchizedek what does it mean?

People today have very little faith. They accept very little. But they ask and pray for everything. They always want but give little. They take everything as theirs. They say they own this and that but truly own nothing. They say they love but show none. They say they believe but believe little. They just want their reward. Reward for What?

Well let's get this ball rolling. Let's stop beating the ass. The ass saw what Balaam could not. Balaam was told not to do something. He did it any way. The ass stopped him three times. Just as Peter crowed three times.

I told you that I was the First Witness you can't accept that. I told you that I was the First to Fall from heaven you can't even accept that.

Who was the First to Fall? Who was the First to Fall?

You know his last Name but not his First. The First Being to Fall my friends what was his name?

That's who I am. The First Witness must be the First Born. I am the First now who was that?

Faith = Follow Adam In Through Here surly you must not die.

Sorry. Peter did not crow three times.

[Nobar King]

Re: The Order of Melchizedek what does it mean?

1. People today have very little faith.
2. They accept very little.
3. But they ask and pray for everything.
4. They always want but give little.
5. They take everything as theirs.
6. They say they own this and that but truly own nothing.
7. They say they love but show none.
8. They say they believe but believe little.
9. They just want their reward.
10. Reward for What?

Can you please explain what each of the above statements is supposed to mean? How do you know this information?

Well let's get this ball rolling. Let's stop beating the ass. The ass saw what Balaam could not. Balaam was told not to do something. He did it any way. The ass stopped him three times. Just as Peter crowed three times.

Another brain teaser.

I told you that I was the First Witness you can't accept that. I told you that I was the First to Fall from heaven you can't even accept that.

You can see why, right?

Who was the First to Fall? Who was the First to Fall?

You know his last Name but not his First. The First Being to Fall my friends what was his name?

That's who I am. The First Witness must be the First Born. I am the First now who was that?

Faith = Follow Adam In Through Here surly you must not die.

Another mind bender.

Do you believe in the visitors from other planets, Kumquats?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: The Order of Melchizedek what does it mean?

How about God himself? My father

It's a well known fact that God has gray hair and a gray beard.

You have already told us that your parents owned an island - this means that your father was a co-owner. You father was thus on land - you told us as much. So either your father, disguised in beard and wig saved you or some fisherman did.

You have to ask yourself why God did not simple direct your float to land as he did with the ark.

You should also wonder why God had you float out in the first place.

Kumquats, you're an interesting sort of character but you should be a little more critical of life's happenings; perhaps seek a simpler solution.

Anyway, you keep asking who you are an say God is your father and you are the first from Heaven. I reckon you think you are Lucifer or Adam or Christ. Am I close?

[Aguaws]

Re: The Order of Melchizedek what does it mean?

Pastor “Sorry. Peter did not crow three times”.

Peter denied Jesus three times before the sun rose.

Nobar King “Do you believe in the visitors from other planets, Kumquats?”

Let me put it this way. Long ago I was standing next to my father. We were standing together outside and he was explaining creation to me. We were looking into the sky at the two suns above us. Should I go on?

Before the flood the earth was not as evil then as it is today. That should tell you why this is going to happen. Do you believe that this earth is better now than it was then?


How do you know this information? Because of who I am and what I have seen.

Yes Nobar King I do understand why you can not accept and understand. Just as Jesus foretold that all things would be revealed before his return. My little brother knows me well. It was also foretold that the faint of heart would die of shock as it was revealed. I am breaking this news to save a few.

Ezekiel “ It's a well known fact that God has gray hair and a gray beard.

You have already told us that your parents owned an island - this means that your father was a co-owner. You father was thus on land - you told us as much. So either your father, disguised in beard and wig saved you or some fisherman did.

You have to ask yourself why God did not simple direct your float to land as he did with the ark.

You should also wonder why God had you float out in the first place.

Kumquats, you're an interesting sort of character but you should be a little more critical of life's happenings; perhaps seek a simpler solution.

Anyway, you keep asking who you are an say God is your father and you are the first from Heaven. I reckon you think you are Lucifer or Adam or Christ. Am I close?”

Since no man has seen the face of God I would not say it is a well know fact. It is a theory and a guess. And as Jesus I have parents here but that does not make them my true Father and Mother. You asked why God had me float out. Why did God put Adam to sleep? Why did God have Noah to build a boat? For others to know the story of how they became what they are. And how and why they were created. He did this for us. He could just make us all disappear as if we never existed at all. This is our History not his. And yes my friend you are close to who I am. Oh when I was first awakened and knew who I was I was angry as hell to see what people and gods have done to my fathers creation. He calmed me down and explained that it is as it is supposed to be. It was still hard to swallow but I bit my tongue and held my temper. Even he gets angry as seen before. That’s why men belong to Jesus his temper is not as mine. Look when he came he started out meek and full of true love. The longer he stayed the more angry he got. Remember his fit in the Temple?

Yes this is hard to accept that this is my home and this is my kingdom. If I would have come out the way I wanted to it would not be you would have seen. You came from the dark. Jesus came into the dark to take you home. So you could walk into the light and become like us.

Let’s look at the name Lucifer and break it down all the way down to its origin. What you have been taught my friends in churches is not the way it was or is at all. You have been lied to by the early scribes. The Jews and they are mine for doing as they have done to my fathers children.

This is going to be hard to grasp and accept but the truth is the truth my friends. And I could sit here and write it in my own words but you would not believe it. So this time I am giving you the research from a man named John J Robinson in a book he wrote called a Pilgrims Path. Forgive me because I am going to copy some of his research here. He deserves the credit and I am giving it to him. I hope this is not against the rules. I am giving credit where credit is due. If I am banned for it let it be. But I think you will find it interesting.

The word "Lucifer" in Isaiah 14:12 presents a minor problem to mainstream Christianity. It becomes a much larger problem to Bible literalists, and becomes a huge obstacle for the claims of Mormonism.

"Lucifer makes his appearance in the fourteenth chapter of the Old Testament book of Isaiah, at the twelfth verse, and nowhere else: "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"

The first problem is that Lucifer is a Latin name. So how did it find its way into a Hebrew manuscript, written before there was a Roman language? To find the answer, I consulted a scholar at the library of the Hebrew Union College in Cincinnati. What Hebrew name, I asked, was Satan given in this chapter of Isaiah, which describes the angel who fell to become the ruler of hell?

The answer was a surprise. In the original Hebrew text, the fourteenth chapter of Isaiah is not about a fallen angel, but about a fallen Babylonian king, who during his lifetime had persecuted the children of Israel. It contains no mention of Satan, either by name or reference. The Hebrew scholar could only speculate that some early Christian scribes, writing in the Latin tongue used by the Church, had decided for themselves that they wanted the story to be about a fallen angel, a creature not even mentioned in the original Hebrew text, and to whom they gave the name "Lucifer."

Why Lucifer? In Roman astronomy, Lucifer was the name given to the morning star (the star we now know by another Roman name, Venus). The morning star appears in the heavens just before dawn, heralding the rising sun. The name derives from the Latin term lucem ferre, bringer, or bearer, of light." In the Hebrew text the expression used to describe the Babylonian king before his death is Helal, son of Shahar, which can best be translated as "Day star, son of the Dawn." The name evokes the golden glitter of a proud king's dress and court (much as his personal splendor earned for King Louis XIV of France the appellation, "The Sun King").

The scholars authorized by ... King James I to translate the Bible into current English did not use the original Hebrew texts, but used versions translated ... largely by St. Jerome in the fourth century. Jerome had mistranslated the Hebraic metaphor, "Day star, son of the Dawn," as "Lucifer," and over the centuries a metamorphosis took place. Lucifer the morning star became a disobedient angel, cast out of heaven to rule eternally in hell. Theologians, writers, and poets interwove the myth with the doctrine of the Fall, and in Christian tradition Lucifer is now the same as Satan, the Devil, and --- ironically --- the Prince of Darkness.

So "Lucifer" is nothing more than an ancient Latin name for the morning star, the bringer of light. That can be confusing for Christians who identify Christ himself as the morning star, a term used as a central theme in many Christian sermons. Jesus refers to himself as the morning star in Revelation 22:16: "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."
And so there are those who do not read beyond the King James version of the Bible, who say 'Lucifer is Satan: so says the Word of God'...."
Henry Neufeld (a Christian who comments on Biblical sticky issues) went on to say,

"this passage is often related to Satan, and a similar thought is expressed in Luke 10:18 by Jesus, that was not its first meaning. It's primary meaning is given in Isaiah 14:4 which says that when Israel is restored they will "take up this taunt against the king of Babylon . . ." Verse 12 is a part of this taunt song. This passage refers first to the fall of that earthly king...

How does the confusion in translating this verse arise? The Hebrew of this passage reads: "heleyl, ben shachar" which can be literally translated "shining one, son of dawn." This phrase means, again literally, the planet Venus when it appears as a morning star. In the Septuagint, a 3rd century BC translation of the Hebrew scriptures into Greek, it is translated as "heosphoros" which also means Venus as a morning star.

How did the translation "lucifer" arise? This word comes from Jerome's Latin Vulgate. Was Jerome in error? Not at all. In Latin at the time, "lucifer" actually meant Venus as a morning star. Isaiah is using this metaphor for a bright light, though not the greatest light to illustrate the apparent power of the Babylonian king which then faded."

Therefore, Lucifer wasn't equated with Satan until after Jerome. Jerome wasn't in error. Later Christians (and Mormons) were in equating "Lucifer" with "Satan".

So why is this a problem to Christians? Christians now generally believe that Satan (or the Devil or Lucifer who they equate with Satan) is a being who has always existed (or who was created at or near the "beginning"). Therefore, they also think that the 'prophets' of the Old Testament believed in this creature. The Isaiah scripture is used as proof (and has been used as such for hundreds of years now) though, the concept of Satan has evolved over the years and the early Bible writers didn't believe in or teach such a doctrine.
The irony for those who believe that "Lucifer" refers to Satan is that the same title ('morning star' or 'light-bearer') is used to refer to Jesus, in 2 Peter 1:19, where the Greek text has exactly the same term: 'phos-phoros' 'light-bearer.' This is also the term used for Jesus in Revelation 22:16.

So why is Lucifer a far bigger problem to Mormons? Mormons claim that an ancient record (the Book of Mormon) was written beginning in about 600 BC, and the author in 600 BC supposedly copied Isaiah in Isaiah's original words. When Joseph Smith pretended to translate the supposed 'ancient record', he included the Lucifer verse in the Book of Mormon. Obviously he wasn't copying what Isaiah actually wrote. He was copying the King James Version of the Bible. Another book of LDS scripture, the Doctrine & Covenants, furthers this problem in 76:26 when it affirms the false Christian doctrine that "Lucifer" means Satan. This incorrect doctrine also spread into a third set of Mormon scriptures, the Pearl of Great Price, which describes a war in heaven. based, in part, on Joseph Smith's incorrect interpretation of the word "Lucifer" which only appears in Isaiah.

The actual name, "Lucifer," goes back to the Greeks, before the Romans. Socrates and Plato talk about this "god of light"; surprisingly, not in the context of Eos (god of Dawn), but -- as a morning star -- juxtaposed with the sun (Helios) and Hermes. This information can be found in Plato's Timaeus (38e)
David Grinspoon comments on the historical aspects of the word as follows: "The origin of the Judeo-Christian Devil as an angel fallen from heaven into the depths of hell is mirrored in the descent of Venus from shining morning star to the darkness below. This underworld demon, still feared today by people in many parts of the world, is also called Lucifer, which was originally a Latin name for Venus as a morning star."
Actually, Grinspoon should just refer to the "Christian Devil" since the Jews never believed in such a creature and still don't to this day.
Do you accept this? I could have sit here and wrote it but I wanted you to see the True History of what you are so afraid of.

My Name is Adam it has always been and always will be. I am not dead but I have died many times. In fact 46511 times. My Father told me this in the Garden long before Eve came along. God made me Good as he said. He Created but One Man his Son. My Son the Son of Man came to you as said by Enoch. Ban me if you like but I would truly like to talk some more. You say that no Man has ever seen the Face of God. I walked with God my Father. Believe or Accept it. Soon you will know it.

May peace be on your Souls. Its time to walk from the Dark that Abel led you from…
There is no Satan and never has there ever been one.
There was Light that was me…

Adam = All Divine All Man what else would you like to know?

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Re: The Order of Melchizedek what does it mean?

I know what Peter did. It wasn't crow. I know the serpent spoke, not just the ass. I know that one man DID see GOD's face. Adam. And I know that you are have finally irritated me beyond my patience with your lies.

I am too kindly a fellow to ban people or give infractions, but I can tell you that you are on thin ice.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: The Order of Melchizedek what does it mean?

How about God himself? My father

I'm about to ban you too, numbnuts. It seems to me that you're claiming to be Jesus here. That makes you an antiChrist.

There is no thinner ice than that.

[Mistress Cookie]

Re: The Order of Melchizedek what does it mean?

I am too kindly a fellow to ban people or give infractions, but I can tell you that you are on thin ice.

I can attest to this. Our majestically kind Pastor Pistle is loathe to use his power in that way.

But he is not afraid to strike down the insolent and devilish, when need be, in order to protect his tender flock.

Tread softly, Kumquats.

[Aguaws]

Re: The Order of Melchizedek what does it mean?

No my friend I am not claiming to be Jesus.

I am the man called Adam that all have accepted as being dead and worthless. You can now ban me if you like you have all my life as with my wife.

You don't believe that God forgave us. That's why I know so many names and there meanings. I did name a few you know.

Here some names for you and why they are the way they are. Every letter every word every number has a reason and a purpose my friend. For this day as Jesus taught you. He did not come here to save you. You came here to throw fire. He gave you the ability to save yourself. I hope you have learned from what he said and showed.

Adam = All Divine All Man

Eve = Everyone’s Vision Everywhere

John = Join Our Home Now

Paul = Please All Understand Lessons

Mark = Make All Righteous Kings

Noah = No Outcasts Allowed Here

Enoch = Earth’s Next Orbit Changes History
(not the orbit around the sun but the orbit around the milky way)

The Holy Bible = To His Eternal Have Life Loving Yahweh’s Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth

What else would you like to know where Paradise is going to be? It's not going to be in Heaven.

[Nobar King]

Re: The Order of Melchizedek what does it mean?

How could you just stop there and not tell us where Paradise is going to be in your version?