[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: POLL: Who did more to introduce socialism into the US?

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Dodger, please learn to think for yourself. Copying and pasting from the internet is not an argument.

The bottom line is, Lincoln was against trade, against states rights, against the 10th amendment to the constitution, against Jesus, against the Bible, and against farmers, and he waged an illegal unnecessary war against the south when we seceded to protect all of those things.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Marshall]

Re: POLL: Who did more to introduce socialism into the US?

Not to keep harping on the subject, but the Northern Unionists didn't exactly "win" that war either.
Sure Lee surrendered, but that was just to prevent further deaths on both sides and to end the war Lincoln was waging against America. The Union lost thousands upon thousands of more soldiers than the CSA did. We were better shots, better fighters and actually cared about what we were fighting for.

As for introducing Socialism into the American mainstream, FDR and his insipid "New Deal" created the modern Welfare State that breeds the likes of the Katrina leeches and the scumbag homeless that plague our cities. The gimmie mentality that is prevalent and used to gain votes by the disgusting Left.
The recent stimulus handouts for instance.
Obviously done to gather the votes of the lower class and the losers who think $600 is a lot of money for some reason. I bought an original, unused trunk mat for my Road Runner that cost twice that and it was a bargain. Poor people are so stupid.

[Dodger556]

Re: POLL: Who did more to introduce socialism into the US?

I thought I paraphrased well enough, do you prefer apa citations? In itself, my argument still stands. Also, my piece on General Sherman was of my own from what I've gathered when I studied his tactics.

He had every right to declare war on the South when they seceded from the Union. Even though the south viewed themselves as being discriminated against with the tariff on import/export of cotton, and for a few other reasons. Slavery is still morally wrong.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: POLL: Who did more to introduce socialism into the US?

He had every right to declare war on the South when they seceded from the Union.

Under which clause of the constitution?

Slavery is still morally wrong.

The Bible is the ultimate arbiter of what is morally right or wrong, so please cite scripture to back up this claim.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Dodger556]

Re: POLL: Who did more to introduce socialism into the US?

Not to keep harping on the subject, but the Northern Unionists didn't exactly "win" that war either.
Sure Lee surrendered, but that was just to prevent further deaths on both sides and to end the war Lincoln was waging against America. The Union lost thousands upon thousands of more soldiers than the CSA did. We were better shots, better fighters and actually cared about what we were fighting for.

Actually, the North won both in numerical terms and in its ability to wage war. Sherman's march was the guillotine that rendered a majority of the South unable to competently wage war. Don't you remember the South's dwindling numbers toward the last year of the war? How much of their fighting force was young men and old men, because a vast majority of men of capable fighting age had already been killed? Sure, the South had a few wins here and their, but overall the North won more battles, inflicted more casualties, and had better field officers toward the end of the war. Their are countless examples in battles that showed the inexperience of the southern soldiers. Their were both ill-equipped compared to the Union and underpaid because the North had the majority of industrial factories.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: POLL: Who did more to introduce socialism into the US?

Sure Lee surrendered, but that was just to prevent further deaths on both sides and to end the war Lincoln was waging against America.

I heard that Lee didn't really surrender. That no-good sneaky Grant stole Lee's sword, and Lee was too much of a gentleman to ask for it back.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: POLL: Who did more to introduce socialism into the US?

Actually, the North won both in numerical terms and in its ability to wage war. Sherman's march was the guillotine that rendered a majority of the South unable to competently wage war. Don't you remember the South's dwindling numbers toward the last year of the war? How much of their fighting force was young men and old men, because a vast majority of men of capable fighting age had already been killed? Sure, the South had a few wins here and their, but overall the North won more battles, inflicted more casualties, and had better field officers toward the end of the war. Their are countless examples in battles that showed the inexperience of the southern soldiers. Their were both ill-equipped compared to the Union and underpaid because the North had the majority of industrial factories.

That was only because the South turned their back on Jesus when they allied themselves with the Cherokee Indians. The South trusted in the Lord and not validating those wagon burning Hammite cousins who pre-stole Christian legacy lands. The South sin doesn't make the North right.

[Dodger556]

Re: POLL: Who did more to introduce socialism into the US?

Under which clause of the constitution?

The ideology of preserving the United States as a single entity unified in all aspects presents a pretty clear decision to keep America a democracy.

The Bible is the ultimate arbiter of what is morally right or wrong, so please cite scripture to back up this claim.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

"Bigotry is the disease of ignorance, or morbid minds; enthusiasm of the free and buoyant. Education and free discussion are the antidotes of both."
-- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, Library of Congress, Manuscript Division, 1816

I think that quote explains the correct viewpoint enslaving other humans. Slavery is morally unacceptable, it will never be re-instituted, regardless of what any Bible says.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: POLL: Who did more to introduce socialism into the US?

The ideology of preserving the United States as a single entity unified in all aspects presents a pretty clear decision to keep America a democracy.

You didn't answer the question. I said, which clause of the constitution gave Lincoln the right to wage a war of aggression against the south?

"Bigotry is the disease of ignorance, or morbid minds; enthusiasm of the free and buoyant. Education and free discussion are the antidotes of both."
-- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, Library of Congress, Manuscript Division, 1816
I think that quote explains the correct viewpoint enslaving other humans. Slavery is morally unacceptable, it will never be re-instituted, regardless of what any Bible says.

Who said anything about bigotry? Slavery and bigotry are completely different things. And since when do the musings of a Hellbound Deist count as scripture?

You can't cite scripture that condemns slavery, because slavery is acceptable to God.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Marshall]

Re: POLL: Who did more to introduce socialism into the US?

Holy Jesus.
The South won more battles and killed more enemy combatants.
Look up
The Wilderness
Fredricksburg
Chancellorsville
Antietam
2nd Manassas
Stones River
Shiloh
All CSA victories in terms of death counts.

Also
Union death total=389,753
CS death total=289,000
Union total casualties=664,928
CS total casualties=483,026

Keep in mind I come from NC, the HEROS of the Confederacy and the home of the 26th which is widely accepted as the hardest fighters on either side.


Sinner, you need to read those history books you used to roll dope on back in highschool.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: POLL: Who did more to introduce socialism into the US?

Sinner, you need to read those history books you used to roll dope on back in highschool.

The problem is, if he went to public school, his high school history book is probably where he's getting this nonsense.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Dodger556]

Re: POLL: Who did more to introduce socialism into the US?

You didn't answer the question. I said, which clause of the constitution gave Lincoln the right to wage a war of aggression against the south?

He didn't really have a choice. In order to preserve the Union as we see it today, the South had to be brought back under control.

Who said anything about bigotry? Slavery and bigotry are completely different things. And since when do the musings of a Hellbound Deist count as scripture?

You can't cite scripture that condemns slavery, because slavery is acceptable to God.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

What I'm saying is that in a civilized society, assuming that's what you want our world to develop into (at least America) the act of slavery is morally unacceptable. A societies growth would be hindered and limited by it. Didn't our own Declaration of Independence declare that all men are created equal? How can this Church claim to love America and claim it's a Godly Nation when the Bible disagrees with most of what America stands for? If anything, Lincoln wished to avoid war with the south, as he cited in his inaugural speech.

[Dodger556]

Re: POLL: Who did more to introduce socialism into the US?

Holy Jesus.
The South won more battles and killed more enemy combatants.
Look up
The Wilderness
Fredricksburg
Chancellorsville
Antietam
2nd Manassas
Stones River
Shiloh
All CSA victories in terms of death counts.

Also
Union death total=389,753
CS death total=289,000
Union total casualties=664,928
CS total casualties=483,026

Keep in mind I come from NC, the retards of the Confederacy and the home of the 26th which is widely accepted as the hardest fighters on either side.


Sinner, you need to read those history books you used to roll dope on back in highschool.

Then how did the south lose the war? Oh, that's right, because they didn't have the ability to fight anymore. Even if the south won more battles, the North won more decisive victories. That's all it takes in war.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

He didn't really have a choice. In order to preserve the Union as we see it today, the South had to be brought back under control.

Thank you for admitting that Lincoln had no legal basis for waging war against the south.

What I'm saying is that in a civilized society, assuming that's what you want our world to develop into (at least America) the act of slavery is morally unacceptable. A societies growth would be hindered and limited by it.

That's just your opinion. I believe otherwise, and my beliefs come straight from the Word of God himself.

Didn't our own Declaration of Independence declare that all men are created equal?

All men are created equal. It doesn't mean they necessarily have to end up that way. That would be socialism, to try to force equal outcomes despite unequal effort.

How can this Church claim to love America and claim it's a Godly Nation when the Bible disagrees with most of what America stands for?

America has lost its way a bit, but we conservative Christians have been slowly bringing America back to the Bible over the last 20 years, one law or one Supreme Court case at a time. Praise Jesus!

If anything, Lincoln wished to avoid war with the south, as he cited in his inaugural speech.

If that's the case, he had a really easy way to do so. All he had to do to avoid war with the south was to NOT START the war.

Then how did the south lose the war?

Marshall already answered that. Please pay attention.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Dodger556]

Re: POLL: Who did more to introduce socialism into the US?

Thank you for admitting that Lincoln had no legal basis for waging war against the south.

Thank you for ignoring the ability to have an intelligent reply.

That's just your opinion. I believe otherwise, and my beliefs come straight from the Word of God himself.

That's not an opinion, that's a fact. The ideal society is one of racial equality of all people. The color of a man's skin doesn't define his conscious.

All men are created equal. It doesn't mean they necessarily have to end up that way. That would be socialism, to try to force equal outcomes despite unequal effort.

I agree with the statement, but not what it implies.

America has lost its way a bit, but we conservative Christians have been slowly bringing America back to the Bible over the last 20 years, one law or one Supreme Court case at a time. Praise Jesus!

Thankfully, I agree.

If that's the case, he had a really easy way to do so. All he had to do to avoid war with the south was to NOT START the war.


Marshall already answered that. Please pay attention.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

Marshall's answer was both illogical and unfounded, therefor I ignored it, and will continue to until he presents facts.