Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ?

[Mark Vi]

Now before you reach for that smite button and zap me with those points things Admins, hear me out.

Now Christianity along with so many other 'false' religions as you see them, preach of love and peace. Yet their own histories paint a very different picture.

During the history of our planet the single most influential cause of our many war's , genocide and opression are in fact 'religion' and a fair few of those caused by 'Christianity'. Now in a lot of these cases i'm sure you could tell me that as the other team so to speak where enemies of god, or infidels that it is simply god's wish. But I honestly believe there are some that the name of god wouldn't justify.

Christianity was effectively the most catastrophic event that ever happened within europe. I'm sure most are aware of Europe's deep history and wars, ie. The the seperation of the Catholic church, creating the now named Protestants, or the the crushing affect Christianity had on Germany, coupled with economic and natural events the countries population was reduced to upto 50% by the end of the 30year war.

Also note. The Crusades, need I say more.


[Witches / Heretics]

The chrsitians in 1227 ordered the Inquisition, to arrest and convict heretics or witches. A few decades later they also allowed the same group to use torture to obtain confessions which in turn upped their conviction rate.

Torturing an innocent person to the point that they confess to an imaginary crime, then executing them just doesn't seem very 'christian' to me ? Yet the pope commanded it....

This practice continued for hundreds of years with the full support of the christian world.

And christians today still call for the rights to execute witches...



Ok, so I dont mean to poke fun or have a go. But why would God want his children to commit the horrors that the christian religion has caused over the years ?

If Jesus was god's gift to our people and to spread the word of christ, would we not have been better off without ?!


Mark Vi

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ?

Pal, you've never read the Bible, have you.

Before embarrassing yourself any further, I suggest you read THIS thread.

Also, you really should study the Bible before waltzing into a Christian forum spouting off nonsense about what you THINK Jesus said or meant to say. We know and follow every single word of the KJV1611 Bible.

2 Thessalonians 1:8-9
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction.

Luke 14:26
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

2 Chronicles 15:13
Whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.

Luke 12:51
Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division.


Why should we consider the killing of witches "a horror?" If god tells us to do it, then by God we do it. And we thank him and Praise HIM for not killing us too.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ?

Now Christianity along with so many other 'false' religions as you see them, preach of love and peace.

I believe Pastor Ezekiel has more than adequately addressed this misconception of yours.

During the history of our planet the single most influential cause of our many war's , genocide and opression are in fact 'religion' and a fair few of those caused by 'Christianity'. Now in a lot of these cases i'm sure you could tell me that as the other team so to speak where enemies of god, or infidels that it is simply god's wish. But I honestly believe there are some that the name of god wouldn't justify.

In some cases, such as the Crusades, the point of the war was to save souls. The intent of the Crusades was to convert Islamists to Christianity, and was an act of pure Christian love.

As I teach at my church, the greatest act of love we can perform is helping someone to find Jesus. No cost is too great, for finding Jesus allows that person to be saved from the very fires of Hell.

If it is necessary to send several dozen Islamists to Hell a few years before they expected to go, that just one soul may be saved and join Jesus in Heaven, isn't that worth it?

Christianity was effectively the most catastrophic event that ever happened within europe. I'm sure most are aware of Europe's deep history and wars, ie. The the seperation of the Catholic church, creating the now named Protestants, or the the crushing affect Christianity had on Germany, coupled with economic and natural events the countries population was reduced to upto 50% by the end of the 30year war.

Ah, a European. That explains a lot.

You confuse Catholics (the people who supported Hitler) with Christians.

A few months back, I gave a sermon on the evils of Catholicism, which I describe as a pagan cake with a little Christian frosting on top. You think you're swallowing the sweet, creamy white love of Jesus, but in fact you get a big mouthful of dark devil-worship.

At our church pot luck after the service, we provided a beautiful tiered cake with white frosting. Inside was what they call "devil's food" cake, but made without any sugar. It was bitter and disgusting. My congregation -- even the children -- got the point of the Catholic Cake.

I'm no Catholic, and I don't believe these good people are, either.

Also note. The Crusades, need I say more.

I already explained the Crusades above. Need I say more?

[Witches / Heretics]

The chrsitians in 1227 ordered the Inquisition, to arrest and convict heretics or witches. A few decades later they also allowed the same group to use torture to obtain confessions which in turn upped their conviction rate.

Torturing an innocent person to the point that they confess to an imaginary crime, then executing them just doesn't seem very 'christian' to me ? Yet the pope commanded it....

Once again, neither these Godly people nor my church is Catholic. The Inquisition was undertaken by the Catholic Cake . . . er, Cult.

This practice continued for hundreds of years with the full support of the christian world.

And christians today still call for the rights to execute witches...

No, Christians today wish for God's Laws to be followed. God said, "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." Is that too difficult to understand?

Does that sound like God wants us to "tolerate" witches? Do you think God meant that we should be friends and neighbors with those who practice the black arts? No, he wants us to EXECUTE witches. Goths to go great lengths to make people believe that they are witches; should they not then be treated as such?

Ok, so I dont mean to poke fun or have a go. But why would God want his children to commit the horrors that the christian religion has caused over the years ?

As Pastor Ezekiel has already said, if you read the Bible, you'd see that in most cases, Christians have followed God's direct commands. It is not for us to ask why, but only to obey.

If Jesus was god's gift to our people and to spread the word of christ, would we not have been better off without ?!

Do you think that spending eternity in Hell is better than spending it in Heaven? If so, then yes. If not, then no.

Friend, Jesus loves you and wants you to come to Him in praise and thanksgiving. If you do, He will shower you with His Love and take you to Heaven. If not, He will cast you into eternal torment. You have free will and can choose your own path; which do you prefer?


Mark Vi

I hope someday you decide to come to Jesus, instead of continuing your love affair with Satan.

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ?

But why would God want his children to commit the horrors that the christian religion has caused over the years ?

God has a divine plan. Do not question the wisdom of His mysterious ways.

By the way, the crusades (the pre-9/11 ones) and the inquizition are only minor examples of the fearsom wrath of the LORD. I recommend you take a look at the Official Deity Bodycount to better understanding why the God fearing fear God.

[snottyduck]

Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ?

Why should we consider the killing of witches "a horror?" If god tells us to do it, then by God we do it. And we thank him and Praise HIM for not killing us too.

This brings us to the point how exactly to point out witches (and no that hopelessly outdated and untrue malleus maleficarum isn't a way to do this).

All in all it's pretty simple, witches do not exist, only people who think they are witches exist. I've never seem someone flying around on a broom or casting spells that really worked. It's all imagination, simple as that.

[Unfalsifiable]

Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ?

The bloodiest war history has ever known, killed more people then any other war by MILES was WORLD WAR 2. That was a NON-RELIGIOUS WAR. Therefore atheism has caused more killing then religion.

If they had all praised God instead of fighting, they would have not killed each other.

Atheism is a plague upon the world, almost every avenue you walk down you find it is a terrible belief. This one included.

[Mark Vi]

Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ?

The bloodiest war history has ever known, killed more people then any other war by MILES was WORLD WAR 2. That was a NON-RELIGIOUS WAR. Therefore atheism has caused more killing then religion.

If they had all praised God instead of fighting, they would have not killed each other.

Atheism is a plague upon the world, almost every avenue you walk down you find it is a terrible belief. This one included.

I'm sorry what ? I'm going to disregard your comment as quite clearly you do not have the faintest idea about the history of Nazi Germany... Or history in general i'd imagine. Also your maths must be a bit poor... go away and do the figures, your wrong.


Also to the landover guys above.

Yes god said that a witch should not be suffered to live, thats all very well and a fine commandment. The problem lies in identifying said witch! A neighbour with a distubute with their fellow neighbour can accuse her of being a witch. The result of that accusation would be a completely unfair trial of an innocent woman where she can and would be tortured into admitting a crime she did not commit.

How is that what god intended ? For an innocent to be killed due to the vagueness of his comments.

Mark Vi

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ?

God has provided us with a wonderful handbook for detecting and dealing with witch scum. Take a look at THIS.

Also, you might want to take a look at THIS thread on the subject. Video proof is available.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ?

I'm sorry what ? I'm going to disregard your comment as quite clearly you do not have the faintest idea about the history of Nazi Germany... Or history in general i'd imagine. Also your maths must be a bit poor... go away and do the figures, your wrong.

Were quite aware of Nazis and their Catholic idol worshiping. As Brother Unfalsifiable said atheists caused it all.

Look at the Leaders

Hitler - Catholic
Moosiline - Catholic
Stalin - Lysenkite
Tojo - Shintoist
Roosevelt - Democrat

So you see all of them were atheists.

[Unfalsifiable]

Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ?

I'm sorry what ? I'm going to disregard your comment as quite clearly you do not have the faintest idea about the history of Nazi Germany... Or history in general i'd imagine. Also your maths must be a bit poor... go away and do the figures, your wrong.

Are you sure you are over 18??

Anyway, WW2 was secular and the bloodiest conflict of all time. Nazi Germany was not a religious movement. (Unless you think the holocaust was a religious movement, in which case you'd be wrong, it was a racist movement against many different races including Hitler's so called "Jew" race) And I am fully aware the Catholics gave power to Hitler in the Reichstag, but Hitler was NOT a religious man, it was merely a façade, he really didn't care. There is a case for calling him Catholic (i.e. he was a Catholic choirboy, used Catholicism to get to some ends), but Catholicism wasn't the motivation behind the war. WW1 was also a secular war.

The rest of the world's bloodiest wars were fought largely in China and the rest of Asia and were largely politically motivated, not religiously so, bar exceptions like the "Taiping Rebellion".

So yeah, you're wrong.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ?

This brings us to the point how exactly to point out witches (and no that hopelessly outdated and untrue malleus maleficarum isn't a way to do this).

All in all it's pretty simple, witches do not exist, only people who think they are witches exist. I've never seem someone flying around on a broom or casting spells that really worked. It's all imagination, simple as that.

A self-proclaimed witch, like that Dogspit girl -- you know, the unfortunate-looking one who bears a striking resemblance to a Golden Retriever -- doesn't need to be "found out", son. She's already confessed. What more evidence do you need?

Being a witch only requires practicing witchcraft. It doesn't require success in that practice. The point is the attempt to circumvent God, or the attempt to worship false gods, either of which is blasphemy.

The bloodiest war history has ever known, killed more people then any other war by MILES was WORLD WAR 2. That was a NON-RELIGIOUS WAR. Therefore atheism has caused more killing then religion.

As others have already pointed out, son, Hitler was a Catholic. You listed evidence in a later post supporting his Catholicism, then declared your superior knowledge stating that he was atheist.

Have you any proof, any hard evidence, or do you just believe everything you read in a book or find on the Innernets?

[One-eyed Jack]

Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ?

Mark, while Pastor Ezekiel has quoted scripture beautifully and others have demonstrated logic, I would like to take a slightly different tack.

Christianity is unavoidably and fundamentally elitist. It is plain throughout the Bible that there are two kinds of people: the saved and the damned. God's people and the others. The Chosen and the unbelievers.

The post-enlightenment mind recoils at the idea that only a small fraction of humanity are righteous, and the vast majority of humans are discards -- broken pots, if you will, who will be tossed into the furnace by God. Are we not equal? No, it turns out, we are not: God is on the side of the believers, and not on the side of the others. It seems shocking that God has divided mankind into sheep and goats, and the goats are condemned to eternal torture.

But that's exactly the premise the Bible, and Christianity, is built on.

The Lord's people are chosen for dominion; they are the true Master Race and shall rule the Earth. And the Lord is not a peaceful deity.

The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name. Exodus 15:3

As the Psalmist says about the children of Babylon, happy is the man who kills the children of the unrighteous.

Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. Psalm 137:9

This is the true nature of Christianity. Do you find it horrible and vicious? Accept it. That's the way God made it.

~~ OEJ

[Unfalsifiable]

Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ?

As others have already pointed out, son, Hitler was a Catholic. You listed evidence in a later post supporting his Catholicism, then declared your superior knowledge stating that he was atheist.

Have you any proof, any hard evidence, or do you just believe everything you read in a book or find on the Innernets?

Well you're confused, you see Hitler was "Catholic" in the sense he was raised it, if he had to be labelled as a religion, Catholicism would be it. The Catholics certainly got him to power as I had already explained.

However Hitler really didn't care too much about religion and in fact saw it as a rival power. However once he got going he embraced it as a tool on many occasions. As for his own personal beliefs, he never showed many. So in one way he defiantly was a Catholic, in another way he was an apathist.

The point at hand however was whether Nazi Germany was a religious movement which is certainly was not. It was helped by the Papists, the Papists are hugely to blame for WW2, but Nazis themselves weren't doing it in the name of the pope or anything like that (well maybe some were). WW2 was a secular war. Showing us that Atheism is at fault for more war-deaths then religion is.

My infraction was totally unneeded, Hitler and Catholicism are a complicated affair.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ?

Well you're confused, you see Hitler was "Catholic" in the sense he was raised it, if he had to be labelled as a religion, Catholicism would be it. The Catholics certainly got him to power as I had already explained.

However Hitler really didn't care too much about religion and in fact saw it as a rival power. However once he got going he embraced it as a tool on many occasions. As for his own personal beliefs, he never showed many. So in one way he defiantly was a Catholic, in another way he was an apathist.

The point at hand however was whether Nazi Germany was a religious movement which is certainly was not. It was helped by the Papists, the Papists are hugely to blame for WW2, but Nazis themselves weren't doing it in the name of the pope or anything like that (well maybe some were). WW2 was a secular war. Showing us that Atheism is at fault for more war-deaths then religion is.

My infraction was totally unneeded, Hitler and Catholicism are a complicated affair.

Pal you are the one who insists on being confused. You sound like a modern day papist, trying to spin history and split hairs in order to distance the mary worshiping cult from the monster that was Hitler. It simply will not work in this church.

If you insist that in order for Hitler to be a real, full fledged catlicker he'd have to attend mass every Sunday for his entire life, then you might have a point. But if you ask the roman pope what it takes to be a "good catholic", he'd say "splash some 'holy water' on them as soon as they're warm and they're catholic for life."

The truth is, Hitler studied the papist false Bible in prison, and he was inspired to kill the few hundred joos that he did because even the mary worshipers know enough to despise the joos who killed Christ. What other reason would he have to hate them?

I want you to stop this foolishness right now, boy. Hitler was a papist, and no matter how you try to dodge that, it is the truth. Don't make me have to give you another wad of infractions.

[JennyD]

Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ?

Well you're confused, you see Hitler was "Catholic" in the sense he was raised it, if he had to be labelled as a religion, Catholicism would be it. The Catholics certainly got him to power as I had already explained.

However Hitler really didn't care too much about religion and in fact saw it as a rival power. However once he got going he embraced it as a tool on many occasions. As for his own personal beliefs, he never showed many. So in one way he defiantly was a Catholic, in another way he was an apathist.

The point at hand however was whether Nazi Germany was a religious movement which is certainly was not. It was helped by the Papists, the Papists are hugely to blame for WW2, but Nazis themselves weren't doing it in the name of the pope or anything like that (well maybe some were). WW2 was a secular war. Showing us that Atheism is at fault for more war-deaths then religion is.

My infraction was totally unneeded, Hitler and Catholicism are a complicated affair.

Um, I believe Rev. Rodimer asked you for hard evidence, not more idiotic yammering about your OPINIONS.