[Gothzilla]

Re: Other Planets?

Sister Gothika, I am so pleased to see that Jesus saw fit to bring you to our fold today!

Likewise, I think Jesus did lead me to this site. As for the weather, it's really hot =(. But that's typical summer, lol.

You seem to be off to a good start in your Walk with the Lord.

It started when I was six years of age. I now am 18. I've had ups and downs in my walk with God. I'm currently in a up, and loving every minute of it! I can't bear to be far from God, it's a rather lonely feeling, void and empty. It's extremely humbling to realise that God will never let go, and I will never let go of Him.

I'm a little concerned about your gothical lifestyle though.

I must say that I'm not surprised, =P.

Essentially, Goth is about being yourself. It's about self-expression. "I am me, regardless of what you think, or what you want me to be." It's also about higher ethical standards. Goth is extremely tolerant, and emphasizes acceptance of people for who they are.

Are you sure this is pleasing to Jesus?

Absolutely. Before I realise I was Goth and accepted the culture, I had absolutely no desire to be with God, or to read the Bible and follow His word. Sure, I was saved, but thought nothing of it. Now I realise how truly valuable my salvation is. After I joined the Goth culture, or perhaps rather, realised it applied to me, my faith in God blossomed exponentially. I thank God that He led me to the Goth culture, within which I found who I am.

When you wear your clothes and makeup, do you do so in the Glory of the Lord?

I do wear a bit of religious clothing, jewlrey and such. Regardless though, clothing doesn't make one Christian. Who we are and where our faith resides comes from within us. Our actions dictate who we are. Paul wrote that without actions, our faith is dead.

Do you Praise Him with your every action and thought throughout the day?

No, I do not. I have to be honest. I do not praise him 24 hours a day, seven days a week. I do praise him often though. Perhaps I should more. I suppose there's never a threshold where it's "too much" =P.

But yes, I realise I'm not the perfect Christian. It's not for me to be perfect, but rather for Christ. I do my best to follow Him and apply His word to my life, and I continually ask His help with that. Without Him, I am nothing.

I hope you like it here on our forums.

Hmm... a lot of what I've seen here stems from intolerance and hatred. Brother Percy's attacks on me for example, lol.

We would love to see you stay a while so we can get to know you better and hopefully fine-tune your beliefs

I do intend to stay a while, yes. I know not how long, perhaps until I get banned, haha.

Also, I noticed in a previous post you expressed dismay at being labeled "Unsaved Trash". Please don't take this personally as it is an automatic label that goes to every new member. It is only intended to remind the user that they are trash in the Eyes of the Lord until they have accepted His Love into their heart.

But... I have accepted Christ and His Love into my heart. Lol.

[Gothzilla]

Re: Other Planets?

Argh, this is why I wish I could edit posts, lol. So, please forgive the double-post.

VictoryOS, thank-you, also, for sharing the first bit of Christian compassion I have seen on this forum.

[VictoryOS]

Re: Other Planets?

Argh, this is why I wish I could edit posts, lol. So, please forgive the double-post.

VictoryOS, thank-you, also, for sharing the first bit of Christian compassion I have seen on this forum.

It's no trouble at all to welcome a kind Christian girl like yourself. I feel I must point out to you that everyone here at Landover is compassionate toward their fellow man. Maybe it comes out in different ways from different members, but always trust that we have your Soul in mind when we interact with you.

Praise!

[Bob Kaare]

Re: Other Planets?

OK then, show me where in the Bible it teaches about using Doppler spectroscopy, photometry, and gravitational microlensing?

Only because it is not in the bible does not mean it does not excist.
Surely God has not revealed his entire being and creation in the bible?

[Brother_Percy]

Re: Other Planets?

Only because it is not in the bible does not mean it does not excist.
Surely God has not revealed his entire being and creation in the bible?

Child, do you expect me to believe a term like 'Doppler spectroscopy' glorifies God? 'Spectro' I know has something to do with ghosts, and as for the word 'doppler', well, I think we all know that disgusting word refers to a man's private parts.

The Bible teaches us to evaluate all things in line with one simple rule - How does this Glorify God? I hardly think some demonic tallywhacker telescope glorifies God in any way. And even if it doesn't do such a thing, it hardly has a very Christian name, does it?

As Christians we make it a priority not to let anything evil come into our homes.

Here is a list of some of the evil items which no Christian may own. Notice halfway down the list.

Mexican sun gods statues
Idols
Incense
Buddha's
Hand carved objects from Africa or the Orient
Ouija boards
Anything connected with Horoscopes
Anything connected with fortune telling
Objects or clothing associated with witchcraft
Anything a gypsy would wear
Anything connected with astrology
Anything connected with Pokemon
Good luck charms
Anything connected with cult religions (metaphysics, Christian Science, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc.).
Rock and roll records and tapes all fall in the category of things which have been often loaded with evil spiritual power.
Horror or occult Video tapes or dvds (Nightmare on Elm Street, Halloween, Edward Scizzorhands, any of the works of Tim Burton or Johnny Depp)
Any occult books (Devil's Bible, Necronimicon, Teen Witchcraft, anything by JK Rowling, Anne Rice etc)

[Bob4God]

Re: Other Planets?

Gothika,

I meant the telescope brand was Orion.

[Gothzilla]

Re: Other Planets?

'Spectro' I know has something to do with ghosts,

"Spectrum" comes from the Latin word for "image" or "apparition". As for the ghosts, you refer to "Spectral Evidence". In terms of astronomy, a spectrum is the light of a star when passed through a lens that separates it by wavelength.
Here's an example:

(note the lack of witchcraft, Satanism, or other such things.

...and as for the word 'doppler', well, I think we all know that disgusting word refers to a man's private parts.

Doppler from the term "Doppler effect", named after Christian Doppler, and is defined as "the change in frequency and wavelength of a wave for an observer moving relative to the source of the waves."

Spectroscopy, that's simply the study of the spectrum. "oscopy" is to look at or study.
So Doppler Spectroscopy is the study of the doppler effect in the light of the star.

No, it has nothing to do with evil, or "man's private parts".

I hardly think some demonic tallywhacker telescope glorifies God in any way.

I use it to see the glories that God has created, so that I can better appreciate His awesomeness and magesty. Furthermore, my telescope isn't demonic. It does not worship demons. If it did, that would be simply amazing, an inanimate object capable of worship? That would truly be fascinating. I would wonder what else the telescope does with its spare time? Does it like Italian food? Does it like reading and writing poetry? Can the telescope have affection? Does the telescope listen to classical music? Does it prefer Beethoven to Bach?

As Christians we make it a priority not to let anything evil come into our homes.

Agreed.

Here is a list of some of the evil items which no Christian may own. Notice halfway down the list.
...
Anything connected with astrology
...

Please, do realise there is a huge difference between astronomy and astrology. Astronomy is a sincere attempt to understand the universe. Astrology is evil, and entails trying to predict things by the "position of the planets" and other such nonsense.

Rest easy, I own none of the objects in that list =).


Brother Percy, I challenge you to say something kind to some one else =). The constant attacking without knowing anything about it is part of what drives souls away from Christ.

Let's look at something logically:
As Christians, we are to lead souls to Christ.
If we execute our ethics, then we lead hateful lives.
Being constantly hating of others pushes them away.
Pushing away souls prevents them from coming to Christ.
Satan does not want souls to come to Christ.
So when you repulse souls, you do Satan's bidding.
And since hatefulness repulses souls,
Satan enjoys your hatefulness.

Brother Percy, I humbly ask you to look inside yourself, and see what has happened to you, and what kind of person you are. You have allowed Satan to twist you in such a way that you are helping Satan do his will, as opposed to God's will. Please, I ask of you, open your heart and your mind to God and seek help and freedom from the oppression and perversion that Satan has placed within you.

[Gothzilla]

Re: Other Planets?

I meant the telescope brand was Orion.

Ah, my apologies. I believe my first telescope was also Orion. I now use Meade.

[Brother_Percy]

Re: Other Planets?

You have allowed Satan to twist you in such a way that you are helping Satan do his will, as opposed to God's will.

This, coming from a so-called Christian GOTH, is highly amuzing. I see in your Avatar that you dress like a Vampire freakshow. Tell me, how does THAT Glorify God? I hate only those God hates, with righteous hatred guided by scripture.

No, I do not wish to drive souls away from God, but I am highly wary of people like YOU. Wolves in sheeps clothing, you come here 'proclaiming' your love of God. But look how you dress. Look how you act, attacking me like this.

Tell me, what do you own that you consider Goth? I take it you have skulls of dead animals in your home and various other Gothic artifacts, frequent vampire donor parties, and that you sleep in a coffin. Would I be wrong?

The Gothic Death-style glorifies all that is dark and sinister. But then, I think you know that already.

If you truly want to be a Christian, you must turn your back on this evil goth cult, and fast.

[Gothzilla]

Re: Other Planets?

Well, completely unsurprising, you attack me despite my desperate plea on your behalf.

This, coming from a so-called Christian GOTH, is highly amuzing.

Yes, there tends to be that stereotype. There are several Christian Goths. It's not rare.

I see in your Avatar that you dress like a Vampire freakshow.

My avatar is small, I find it difficult to believe you could make that out, even if I were dressed like a vampyre. I assure you, I do not dress like a vampyre, and in all honesty, don't believe they exist (outside of some species of bat, of course).

Tell me, how does THAT Glorify God?

Dressing like a vampyre does not glorify God. Luckily for me, I don't dress like a vampyre, so... that pretty much voids that sentence.

No, I do not wish to drive souls away from God,

Oh well of course. Don't get me wrong, I do truly believe you have the right motivations. Neither of us want to push souls away, but whether we know it or not, our actions are often looked upon by unsaved. If I were unsaved, these actions of your would lead me to the conclusion that God is not for me. I simply don't want to be as spiteful as you, so I wouldn't want what you have: Salvation, regardless of how, or if, you express it.

but I am highly wary of people like YOU. Wolves in sheeps clothing,

I thought I was dressed like a vampyre? =P. Well more seriously now, yeah, there's that stereotype, that all Goths must be Satanist. I assure you, it simply is not true.

you come here 'proclaiming' your love of God. But look how you dress. Look how you act,

Yes indeed. I am not insulting everything that I don't understand, LOL. YES! Look how I act! See what salvation does to me! It gives me a heart, clenses my soul of evil and hatred!

attacking me like this.

No.

I am not attacking you, I am trying to help you realise that your behavior does not glorify God. If I hated you and cared nothing for you, I wouldn't be having this conversation with you. But I love you in a Christian sense, and am trying to do what I can for you, to help you, so that you can glorify God through a new moral and ethical standard. I have no desire to attack you, your posts speak enough of you that I don't have to, I simply want to help, to extend an open hand to you.

Tell me, what do you own that you consider Goth?

I don't consider items Goth, for Goth is a mindset, not a posession.

I take it you have skulls of dead animals in your home and various other Gothic artifacts, frequent vampire donor parties, and that you sleep in a coffin.

Haha, no.

Would I be wrong?

Yes.

The Gothic Death-style glorifies all that is dark and sinister. But then, I think you know that already.

Goths have the ability to recognize death. We think differently about it, yes. We don't glorify it, but rather, acknowledge it. We don't make the attempt to hide from it, or to ignore its existence.

If you truly want to be a Christian, you must turn your back on this evil CULT-ure, and fact.

If the culture were evil, then yes, I would have to.

[Ahimaaz Smith]

Re: Other Planets?

Gothika, for someone who claims to know a lot about what God wants, you quote surprisingly little scripture. In fact, you don't quote any. Have you actually read the Bible, or are you just a make-it-up-as-you-go-along "Christian?"

Insulting people without knowing them is simply unethical. I know Jesus Christ would not have such hostility as you people.

...behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.... he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs. And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table. Matthew 15:22-27

Calling someone a dog merely because she is from a different group isn't hostile?

You should ask your self "What would Jesus do?" more often.

Jesus said in Mark 6:11 that, for any city that did not receive Christian missionaries, Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

Those are Jesus's words. I think we capture the spirit of that sort of thing quite well, don't you?

When I am trying to witness to someone, they often point out how many Christians are hateful people. I assure them that they are not following the scriptures as well as they should, and that true Christianity is about following the writings of Jesus and applying them to our lives to improve them.

See above. We follow Scripture as it was written. The whole thing. Not just the parts that you like.

Actions like that often lead people away from the Light.

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Matthew 7:13-14

We can't get them all through the straight gate, but watering down Scripture isn't going to help them.

I can't speak for God of course

No duh.

and would not attempt to, but

You can stop right there. Anything following the but would be you implying that your view is the same as God's view. That is simply not the case:

For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. Isaiah 55:8-9

In your overwhelming urge to attack that which you don't understand, you present yourself, and this website, in a mannor that is repulsive to people who need to be saved.

Show us where we are wrong about Scripture, and we will correct it. But give us the chapter and verse, please. I'm tired of hearing from people who think they know the mind of God but haven't bothered to read His book.

[Gothzilla]

Re: Other Planets?

Gothika, for someone who claims to know a lot about what God wants, you quote surprisingly little scripture. In fact, you don't quote any. Have you actually read the Bible, or are you just a make-it-up-as-you-go-along "Christian?"

I have read the bible entirely through, yes, however it was a long time ago. I do actively read it at present, but don't write down scriptures that stand out too often. As such, any attempt for me to quote scripture would rely on memory. My memory is bad Lol X_X.

Calling someone a dog merely because she is from a different group isn't hostile?

I believe Jesus is speaking in parable. He tended to do that a lot.

See above. We follow Scripture as it was written. The whole thing. Not just the parts that you like.

Well that's good. Does the Bible instruct others to incessantly attack people without any knowledge about them? Does it tell us to hate blacks, retards (I know, I know, those with blemish won't stand before God. Blemish here means sin), and people of other ethnicities? Where in the bible does it preach such patriotism for the Republican party?

I fully agree with adhering to the entire bible, but distorting it into an instrument of hate isn't my cup of tea.

Unless you can show me, in the bible, where it says blacks should be hated, without having to put anything into the meaning that isn't there, then my ears will perk up and I'll go start hating blacks.

watering down Scripture isn't going to help them.

Nor is ...

and as for the word 'doppler', well, I think we all know that disgusting word refers to a man's private parts.

some demonic tallywhacker telescope

My my what a load of fancy-sounding big-words you use there.... sounds just like Alchemy, Devil worship, Black Magic and Satanic mumbo-jumbo to me.

ALL DUMB RETARDS WILL BURN IN HELL! Glory!

God in His sovereign majesty has created certain people just so that He'll have someone to hate.

God HATES these ugly spastics, and as Christians YOU should hate them too!

Does that make any sense?

Anything following the but would be you implying that your view is the same as God's view.

Ahh... here you go. Now you're misinterpreting me. Simply replace my "but" with "however", and move on...
I do not know the mind of God and I cannot guess his thoughts. This is what I wrote, and this is what I meant.

Show us where we are wrong about Scripture, and we will correct it. But give us the chapter and verse, please. I'm tired of hearing from people who think they know the mind of God but haven't bothered to read His book.

Well there's the thing. Not only does the Bible not tell us to hate blacks, but the bible doesn't tell us not to hate blacks either. So I can't give you scriptural evidence to, for example, be tolerant of Blacks. I can't show you in the Bible where it tells us to not attack things with crude and perverted insults without knowing what they actually are. The Bible simply doesn't address everything in life (though it does address the essentials).

Mine is a philosophical arguement, trying to appeal to ones ethics.

Stating the facts, whatever they are, is always more inticing to stating them with a salvo of insults.

[Ahimaaz Smith]

Re: Other Planets?

I have read the bible entirely through, yes, however it was a long time ago. I do actively read it at present, but don't write down scriptures that stand out too often. As such, any attempt for me to quote scripture would rely on memory. My memory is bad Lol X_X.

You know it's available free on the World Wide Web, don't you? How you can witness to others without quoting the Bible is beyond comprehension. And forgetting the Word is hardly a laughing matter.

I believe Jesus is speaking in parable. He tended to do that a lot.

It was not a parable, it was a fact. A gentile woman came to seek an exorcism for her daughter, and Jesus gave it only after she agreed that she was a dog. If it were a parable, I would not have quoted it to support my arguments; the only reason Jesus spoke in parables was to confuse the unsaved so they would not wind up saved, so they are hardly things I'd cite as Biblical authority.

Well that's good. Does the Bible instruct others to incessantly attack people without any knowledge about them? Does it tell us to hate blacks, retards (I know, I know, those with blemish won't stand before God. Blemish here means sin), and people of other ethnicities? Where in the bible does it preach such patriotism for the Republican party?

The Bible bids us to rebuke sinners (see my signature below for one such injunction). It does not tell us to hate blacks or the retarded (BTW, I am shocked that you'd use the word retard to describe retarded persons. Have you no compassion?). It does tell us that slavery is acceptible, and that the negro race was delivered into servitude by God.

If blemish means only sin, then would you please explain to me Leviticus 21:18: For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous... That's not a list of sins, it's a list of physical attributes. This kind of thing drives me up a wall, you lecture us without bothering to look up the word blemish in the Bible to see if your interpretation is correct. How may other false ideas are you imparting to those to whom you witness?

You have it ass backwards with the Republican party. The Republican Party preaches the Gospel, not the other way around. God does not want science that disagrees with the Bible to be taugh in our schools. Nor does He want us murdering 1.5 million fetuses every year; killing fetuses is his job, not ours.

I fully agree with adhering to the entire bible

So, I take it that you agree with 1 Timothy 2:11-15:

Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing.

You do agree, don't you?

but distorting it into an instrument of hate isn't my cup of tea.

Most of the Bible has nothing to do with race relations or punishment for astrologers, etc. Our visitors are the ones who keep harping on race and Biblical punishment for sin and whatnot. We would be happy discussing other parts of the Bible if people like you would come in here and ask about them, but we're not going to sugar coat them if our visitors insist on raising these issues.

here you go. Now you're misinterpreting me. Simply replace my "but" with "however", and move on...

I did not misintepret you at all. The word "but" and the word "however" have exactly the same meaning, so replacing one with the other doesn't change the essential fact that whether you want people to marvel at your accomplishments has nothing to do with whether God wants people to marvel at His accomplishments. If you had some other purpose in mind, then please explain what your desire to be recognized for your accomplishments has to do with our discussion.

Not only does the Bible not tell us to hate blacks, but the bible doesn't tell us not to hate blacks either. So I can't give you scriptural evidence to, for example, be tolerant of Blacks. I can't show you in the Bible where it tells us to not attack things with crude and perverted insults without knowing what they actually are. The Bible simply doesn't address everything in life (though it does address the essentials).

For someone who wants us to change our interpretations of the Bible, you sure can't come up with much evidence in the Bible.

Mine is a philosophical arguement, trying to appeal to ones ethics.

Ours is a moral argument, appealing to how God told us to conduct our lives.

Stating the facts, whatever they are, is always more inticing to stating them with a salvo of insults.

Where, in Heaven's name, does the Bible say that?

[Mindlessness]

Re: Other Planets?

So, I take it that you agree with 1 Timothy 2:11-15:

Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing.

You do agree, don't you?

Umm, Ahimaaz have you ever killed anyone?

[Brother_Percy]

Re: Other Planets?

What do you think of these pictures of Planets ??? Beautiful, eh??







See, and that's the problem... These aren't images from Outer Space, these are actually an elaborate hoax created by a man named Paul Tozer.

Have a look at THIS article

While some of the final shots resembled vast gas planets, others – like the more amorphous blob shown above – seemed even further removed from the humble equipment Tozer used to bring his subjects into being: namely, washing up liquid and a coat hanger bent into a hoop.

These images show just how easy it is to fool people.

This is probably how NASA have been able to 'create' images for the pictures 'supposedly' taken by the Hubble Telescope.