[IBelieveInMyself]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Friend, I just had dinner, and maybe this is just the potatoes au gratin talking, but I'm a little calmer now. I don't expect you to understand our view of the world. But I'll try to put it in perspective for you.

Imagine you were a child that lived with a wonderful gentle uncle in a giant and cozy doorless and windowless house. Your uncle took care of absolutely everything for you! You never had to go outside, and you had everything you needed to eat and things were just perfect.

If you had any questions, you'd just ask your uncle. And you'd believe what he told you, wouldn't you? He took care of you, kept you warm, and gave you all you could want. Why would he lie? And who would you be to contradict him? To do that would be amazingly presumptuous of you, for as to him, you are just an ignorant child.

I'm sure by now you see where I'm going with this, but just in case you're not paying attention, True Christians™ are as little children before our Almighty God. And all of our questions have already been answered by our "Uncle God" in His Complete and Unabridged Guide to Life®, the King James Bible, v1611. Does that make it any clearer son?

I'm not your son. If you call me "son" it doesn't mean you're wiser than me. And no, it's not at lest any clearer. You told me a story, a fiction of your imagination. I asked simple and plain questions. Here, I'll ask one again, please try to stay on subject : if the earth is flat and the sun is only 500 miles above, how come there is day and night on different parts of the world at the same time ?
I'm waiting patiently for your answer.

Actually, I answered you quite well. Why you go asking questions that are utterly consequential in the grand scheme of things is beyond me. God created scientific observation to make you look foolish. You hunt after some sort of truth as to what's around you when the only thing that matters is obeying God. You are distracted by wanting to know all of these questions (which are answered in the Bible), and when you are given your answer, you still aren't satisfied. You reject the word of Christ Jesus, our Lord and Savior.

There are only two options in life. Read the Bible, cover to cover, and follow it to the letter, or burn in eternal Hellfire. Which are you going to choose? I pray you choose Christ!

I'm sorry, but you haven't answered me at all. Like I said, I raised a point where your bible can't help you come with a logic answer. See question above.

Hi Mr. Myself!

I've read most of your posts and you seem soooooooooooo mad!

How come? Why do you care so much?

And you say we can't prove all that stuff, but neither can you. You say the sun is like a million billion zillion miles aways, right? Well, PROVE IT! I'll wait.
See, you can't, right? At least we have the King James Bible that says that we are going to HEAVEN to be with JESUS.

What do you get to do when you die?

Here, let me give you a hint - - -> '

I'm not at all mad, it's the frustration that you mistakenly think it's anger.
So, you want me to prove that the sun is million miles away. Oh, challenge accepted. If the sun is fixed on the firmament and so is the moon, that means the firmament moves (rotates), right ? And also, if the sun and the moon are fixed on the SAME firmament, that means the distance BETWEEN them is constant, right ? I'm pretty sure you're following me so far. So, if the distance between is constant, how would you explain the eclipse ? You do know what an eclipse is, I give that much credit. But just to be sure everyone gets it, an eclipse is earth, moon and sun on the same line, with moon placed between earth and sun. But wait, the sun and the moon are fixed on the same firmament, so how is this possible ?
The sun is further away than the moon. And pretty sure million miles away...
Now I'm waiting for an answer from you...

You are wrong because you disagree with the Bible.

Like I said, this is not an answer. I could easily say the bible is wrong. You haven't been there when is was written, so you don't know. You know how I know ? Because I wasn't there, you weren't there, and there is NOTHING you know that I don't, because you don't posses special powers that I don't. You simply read a book and decided to believe it. THAT my friend is not a proof that its true.

Don't get your hopes up, pal. When I was going up (in the late 70s) I was led to believe by so called 'scientist' that we would be living on the Moon and driving flying cars.

Now, I still live on Earth and I drive a Honda

The only thing that ever made a lick of sense, to me is the Bible (KJV 1611)! It's never been found to be wrong and never will!

Shout Glory!!!
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You know, the thing is, back then, the scientists were dreaming at a faster rate of progress. Flying cars are possible, but not very practical with today's technology. And also, living on the moon IS possible, but not very convenient, as the moon has a weak gravitational field, and there is no air.
Be glad you still live on earth, because if the day comes when humans would have to consider moving on a different planet, that means the earth has become an uninhabitable place. And at the rate forests are gone, that day will come....
Hondas are reliable, good choice.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

I'm only sorry you live now, and not 100 from now when space travel will (hopefully) be available for everyone, so you could see the space for yourself. But with a bit of luck.....who knows ?

Don't get your hopes up, pal. When I was going up (in the late 70s) I was led to believe by so called 'scientist' that we would be living on the Moon and driving flying cars.

Now, I still live on Earth and I drive a Honda

The only thing that ever made a lick of sense, to me is the Bible (KJV 1611)! It's never been found to be wrong and never will!

Shout Glory!!!
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[Redeemed Papist]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

And you proved what ?

Don't feed me bible verses as this is no contest of who could cite the more appropriate verse.
If you think I'm wrong, tell me why am I wrong.

This is what you people don't understand.....I want you to demonstrate I'm wrong. Simple as that. You can't just say "I don't care what you say, it's not in the bible, it doesn't exist".

You are wrong because you disagree with the Bible.

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Friend, I just had dinner, and maybe this is just the potatoes au gratin talking, but I'm a little calmer now. I don't expect you to understand our view of the world. But I'll try to put it in perspective for you.

Imagine you were a child that lived with a wonderful gentle uncle in a giant and cozy doorless and windowless house. Your uncle took care of absolutely everything for you! You never had to go outside, and you had everything you needed to eat and things were just perfect.

If you had any questions, you'd just ask your uncle. And you'd believe what he told you, wouldn't you? He took care of you, kept you warm, and gave you all you could want. Why would he lie? And who would you be to contradict him? To do that would be amazingly presumptuous of you, for as to him, you are just an ignorant child.

I'm sure by now you see where I'm going with this, but just in case you're not paying attention, True Christians™ are as little children before our Almighty God. And all of our questions have already been answered by our "Uncle God" in His Complete and Unabridged Guide to Life®, the King James Bible, v1611. Does that make it any clearer son?

Luke 18:17

Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.

GLORY!

Jack

[TheLordSavedMe]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Hi Mr. Myself!

I've read most of your posts and you seem soooooooooooo mad!

How come? Why do you care so much?

And you say we can't prove all that stuff, but neither can you. You say the sun is like a million billion zillion miles aways, right? Well, PROVE IT! I'll wait.















See, you can't, right? At least we have the King James Bible that says that we are going to HEAVEN to be with JESUS.

What do you get to do when you die?

Here, let me give you a hint - - ->







Tammi



'

[Bill R. Briscoe]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Ok, we rambled on for 4 pages and the only answer I got is "I don't know". Because answering with "God wants it that way" is simply saying "dude, I don't have a clue as to why there is day and night in the same time in the world, I don't know how far the sun is, what is made of, or where is the end of the world, so I'll just say 'god made it that way, I'm blind, I don't use my brain to actually try to understand all of this' "
Thank you for not clarifying anything to me, and plainly avoiding any attempt to actually give an answer.
I'm only sorry you live now, and not 100 from now when space travel will (hopefully) be available for everyone, so you could see the space for yourself. But with a bit of luck.....who knows ?
There is so much you don't know, but yet you still believe it.......not one of you have you seen the end of the world, not one of you really knows what the sun is made of, not one of you knows how far is it from the earth......you don't know anything. But you use fossil fuel, you use a microwave (which was invented by studying the sun radiation), you use a cell phone to call someone on the other side of the world (yet you do not believe in satellites).....I could go one....
Remember, without the drive to question everything, without the will to discover, progress would not happen.

Actually, I answered you quite well. Why you go asking questions that are utterly consequential in the grand scheme of things is beyond me. God created scientific observation to make you look foolish. You hunt after some sort of truth as to what's around you when the only thing that matters is obeying God. You are distracted by wanting to know all of these questions (which are answered in the Bible), and when you are given your answer, you still aren't satisfied. You reject the word of Christ Jesus, our Lord and Savior.

There are only two options in life. Read the Bible, cover to cover, and follow it to the letter, or burn in eternal Hellfire. Which are you going to choose? I pray you choose Christ!

[Capt. Aaron Portway]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Ok, we rambled on for 4 pages and the only answer I got is "I don't know". Because answering with "God wants it that way" is simply saying "dude, I don't have a clue as to why there is day and night in the same time in the world, I don't know how far the sun is, what is made of, or where is the end of the world, so I'll just say 'god made it that way, I'm blind, I don't use my brain to actually try to understand all of this' "
Thank you for not clarifying anything to me, and plainly avoiding any attempt to actually give an answer.
I'm only sorry you live now, and not 100 from now when space travel will (hopefully) be available for everyone, so you could see the space for yourself. But with a bit of luck.....who knows ?
There is so much you don't know, but yet you still believe it.......not one of you have you seen the end of the world, not one of you really knows what the sun is made of, not one of you knows how far is it from the earth......you don't know anything. But you use fossil fuel, you use a microwave (which was invented by studying the sun radiation), you use a cell phone to call someone on the other side of the world (yet you do not believe in satellites).....I could go one....
Remember, without the drive to question everything, without the will to discover, progress would not happen.

Friend, I just had dinner, and maybe this is just the potatoes au gratin talking, but I'm a little calmer now. I don't expect you to understand our view of the world. But I'll try to put it in perspective for you.

Imagine you were a child that lived with a wonderful gentle uncle in a giant and cozy doorless and windowless house. Your uncle took care of absolutely everything for you! You never had to go outside, and you had everything you needed to eat and things were just perfect.

If you had any questions, you'd just ask your uncle. And you'd believe what he told you, wouldn't you? He took care of you, kept you warm, and gave you all you could want. Why would he lie? And who would you be to contradict him? To do that would be amazingly presumptuous of you, for as to him, you are just an ignorant child.

I'm sure by now you see where I'm going with this, but just in case you're not paying attention, True Christians™ are as little children before our Almighty God. And all of our questions have already been answered by our "Uncle God" in His Complete and Unabridged Guide to Life®, the King James Bible, v1611. Does that make it any clearer son?

[Tausami]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

I answered you quite a while ago...

[IBelieveInMyself]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Ok, we rambled on for 4 pages and the only answer I got is "I don't know". Because answering with "God wants it that way" is simply saying "dude, I don't have a clue as to why there is day and night in the same time in the world, I don't know how far the sun is, what is made of, or where is the end of the world, so I'll just say 'god made it that way, I'm blind, I don't use my brain to actually try to understand all of this' "
Thank you for not clarifying anything to me, and plainly avoiding any attempt to actually give an answer.
I'm only sorry you live now, and not 100 from now when space travel will (hopefully) be available for everyone, so you could see the space for yourself. But with a bit of luck.....who knows ?
There is so much you don't know, but yet you still believe it.......not one of you have you seen the end of the world, not one of you really knows what the sun is made of, not one of you knows how far is it from the earth......you don't know anything. But you use fossil fuel, you use a microwave (which was invented by studying the sun radiation), you use a cell phone to call someone on the other side of the world (yet you do not believe in satellites).....I could go one....
Remember, without the drive to question everything, without the will to discover, progress would not happen.

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

I don't understand why there is all this foolish talk. God can do whatever He wants and can design the heavens however He sees fit. An interesting fact is that He can also make the Sun go backwards if He wants.

Isaiah 38:8 Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down.

GLORY!

Jack

[IBelieveInMyself]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

That for your silly hypothesis.

And you proved what ?

Don't feed me bible verses as this is no contest of who could cite the more appropriate verse.
If you think I'm wrong, tell me why am I wrong.

This is what you people don't understand.....I want you to demonstrate I'm wrong. Simple as that. You can't just say "I don't care what you say, it's not in the bible, it doesn't exist".

[Tausami]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

I assure you, we are as serious as you are. We do not ask anyone to attempt to disprove the theory and are the first to admit that, beyond a religious experience, we have no evidence of the theory.

[IBelieveInMyself]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Look pal, I already told you not to lecture me. Keep a civil tone and I'll answer your blasphemous questions.

I'm not lecturing you. Honestly I don't even care if you are offended by my tone. I think my tone is in tone with your tone. Can you hear my tone ?

Because God wants it that way.

So this is your answer to everything you don't have an answer for ? I'm really sorry you don't use your own judgment. I was hoping you'd actually have an explanation, just to prove me wrong.
In other words you don't know why is it day somewhere and night elsewhere. And you also don't know how eclipses occur. But you surely silenced me by saying "god wants it that way"
I expected more for you....

It does, haven't you ever noticed that? That's why it's cold in the morning, because the sun is further away.

So you actually saying that in the morning when sun rises on one "edge of the world" it is colder because it is further, but yet closer than the other "edge of the world" where is warmer ? Wait.....WHAT ??

And also you're saying the a globe 32 mile wide looked at from 500 miles away is almost the same as looked at from 5000 miles away ? How have you survived all this time ????
Imagine you look at a ball 32 inches across from 500 feet, the imagine the same ball you look at from 5000 ft.....do you see where I'm going ? Because to tell you the truth, I've traveled all over the world and I've seen sun rises and sun sets, and let me tell you, the sun appears with veeeeeeery small variations the same to me.


Dear Portway, I'm asking you to use some logic, nothing to do with your faith....

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Fair enough. But at least it gets the point across that the moon makes its own light.

No it doesn't. It asserts something entirely spurious made up to make the person saying it sound clever by asserting something no ordinary person is in a position to disprove in any way that stands up to scrutiny. It's based solely on the imagination of the person making the assertion and taking full advantage of the simple logical principle that you can't disprove the existence of anything.

Meanwhile we have the inerrant and perfect word of God as a counterpoint to your madness and speculation. God keeps it simple. Things happen because He wants it to be that way.

[Tausami]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

So what! How does any of what you are saying do anything to help the Unsaved Trash get with God?

Some person making up a conversation with God is no basis for any sort of reliable belief system.

Fair enough. But at least it gets the point across that the moon makes its own light.