[Famine]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

So you are telling me that you are using a scientific theory to determine how far God placed the sun from the Earth? Sounds rather contradictory if you ask me brother...
Why is the distance to the sun so important anyways?

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

The Earth is flat and God moves the sun overhead - yes, a bit like that marble example. We know however that the earth is supported by pillars

JOB 9
2 I know it is so of a trueth: but howe should man be iust with God.
3 If he will contend with him, he cannot answere him one of a thousand.
4 He is wise in heart, and mightie in strength: who hath hardened himselfe against him, and hath prospered?
5 Which remoueth the mountains, and they know not: which ouerturneth them in his anger:
6 Which shaketh the earth out of her place, & the pillars thereof tremble:
7 Which commandeth the Sunne, and it riseth not: and sealeth vp the starres.
8 Which alone spreadeth out the heauens, and treadeth vpon the waues of the Sea.
9 Which maketh Arcturus, Orion and Pleiades, and the chambers of the South.
10 Which doeth great things past finding out, yea and wonders without number.
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so the "plate" analogy is inaccurate. But if we observe the sun, as God moves it across the sky, illuminating first this and then, later, that part of the the earth beneath (which we encounter as time differences between different regions) we notice that the "noon" you seem to be so ignorant of DOES NOT OCCUR AT ALL WHEN THE SUN IS DIRECTLY OVERHEAD. It is when the sun is at its highest point in the sky, from the perspective of the viewer. God does not move the sun along the same route every day, but varies it so that we will have seasons. Acts 1:7 As you can see - and as our experience tells us - God can (and does) change the seasons just as He has sometimes changed the way He moves the sun (Joshua's long day for example v.s.).

The moon, additionally, has a calendric function. Psalm 104:19

But although we can make observations and record history, construct (albeit somewhat flawed) calendars or observe the seasons, periods when God is moving the sun across the sky nearer to, or farther from, where we are standing, it is up to God when He does those things - changing the seasons, bringing rain or drought, making thunder or shaking the earth and the pillars which support it - and He can change them at any time. Daniel 2:21

It is usually a good idea actually to make observations before calling God a liar - especially in so fundamental matter as the motion of the obvious sun above us. Such a person would be a fool indeed!

Psalm 53:1 [To the chiefe musician vpon Mahalath, Maschil, A Psalme of Dauid.] The foole hath sayde in his heart, There is no god; Corrupt are they, and haue done abhominable iniquitie; there is none that doth good.
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[James Hutchins]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Why would God say something followed by "but of course, that is not what I mean'? Ridiculous, right?

God said what He meant and meant what He said. Why do people think they know what He said better than He does, and it is written down to boot!
Not like it was just told to one person, who told it to someone else and so on, I could see His Word(r) getting a little off message that way.

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

He didn't lie to us. You're taking the messages to literal.

You said you were done with us. I must be able to see in future.

I hold that as a promise.

Not that I really expect that you are man of your word. I mean if I'd had penny every time I've heard that promise.

Why should we take anything you say now any more serious? You have zero credibility left.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

He didn't lie to us. You're taking the messages to literal.

Can you please provide a thorough list of every verse in the Bible, and let us know which ones are literal and which ones are figurative?

The Bible is 100% literal.

Is The Bible Literal?


Why do you take the Bible literally?

Can / Should we interpret the Bible as literal?

[Soldier4God]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

So you think God lied to us in the Bible for what, the fun of it? Because he thought it would be a laugh to screw with his creations? Why?

He didn't lie to us. You're taking the messages to literal.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

There is nothing to wrap my head around. You think we live on a pancake and a huge lump of coal is burning up in space(without oxygen i dont know how) giving us light and heat and it's the distance of the width of illinois and indiana away from us. And that we are surrounded by a huge ice wall that no one has ever seen before.

So you think God lied to us in the Bible for what, the fun of it? Because he thought it would be a laugh to screw with his creations? Why?

[Soldier4God]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

There is nothing to wrap my head around. You think we live on a pancake and a huge lump of coal is burning up in space(without oxygen i dont know how) giving us light and heat and it's the distance of the width of illinois and indiana away from us. And that we are surrounded by a huge ice wall that no one has ever seen before.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

I was talking about the position of the sun. When you look up around noon the sun is high in the sky. you go 1000 miles south and it's still high in the sky around noon. If the sun is only 500 miles away, when it's in one position it will be more than 500 miles away from other areas of the earth. And the farther you get from the path of the sun the lower it would be in the sky. But this is not the case. Every point that's been made about the earth being flat and the sun revolving around the earth has been proven wrong. Non of it makes sense.

Just because you can't wrap your brain around it doesn't make it's wrong.

[Soldier4God]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Okay, now you take a flashlight out in the yard at night and shine it from your deck onto the ground. Do you only see a little beam of light? Or does it illuminate a wider area than the flashlight itself?

Why not? If that's how God wants it, then that's how it is.


Nothing God does is irrelevant.

I was talking about the position of the sun. When you look up around noon the sun is high in the sky. you go 1000 miles south and it's still high in the sky around noon. If the sun is only 500 miles away, when it's in one position it will be more than 500 miles away from other areas of the earth. And the farther you get from the path of the sun the lower it would be in the sky. But this is not the case. Every point that's been made about the earth being flat and the sun revolving around the earth has been proven wrong. Non of it makes sense.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Ok i'll try to make it simple. Take a large plate(Earth) and suspend a small marble(SUN) about an inch above it. (By your standards this is actually an under exageration) Now simulate a day by moving the marble across the plate. Notice that only a small amount of the plate(Earth) is actually directly under the marble(sun). So only a small amount of the earth will have Noon(sun directly above).

Okay, now you take a flashlight out in the yard at night and shine it from your deck onto the ground. Do you only see a little beam of light? Or does it illuminate a wider area than the flashlight itself?

Also all the other areas of the earth would have the sun barely above the horizon. And if the earth is flat, explain why the north and south poles have endless sun for periods of time and have endless night for periods of time. If the earth was flat this could not happen.

Why not? If that's how God wants it, then that's how it is.

And your accounts of god stopping the sun is irrelevant to the situation I was talking about.

Nothing God does is irrelevant.

[Soldier4God]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Ok i'll try to make it simple. Take a large plate(Earth) and suspend a small marble(SUN) about an inch above it. (By your standards this is actually an under exageration) Now simulate a day by moving the marble across the plate. Notice that only a small amount of the plate(Earth) is actually directly under the marble(sun). So only a small amount of the earth will have Noon(sun directly above).

Also all the other areas of the earth would have the sun barely above the horizon. And if the earth is flat, explain why the north and south poles have endless sun for periods of time and have endless night for periods of time. If the earth was flat this could not happen.

And your accounts of god stopping the sun is irrelevant to the situation I was talking about.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

This doesn't answer anything. That model is no where near the earth to sun ratio that is being discussed.

No it isn't. You were asking about noon (which occurs when the sun is directly overhead):

Do you remember posting this?
If the sun is only 500 miles from the surface of the earth (if it's flat like you guys believe) than the sun would be the length of a good size state away. So when it's in one spot that would make it thousands of miles away from other parts of the earth. You're entire logic is flawed. It doesn't make sense. How can you ever have noon?

or this?
Anyone have an answer for me?

You have received more than one answer.


God moves the sun across the sky. We know this because sometimes He stops moving it, for various reasons. Here are two historical accounts:

JOSHUA 10
12 Then spake Ioshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord deliuered vp the Amorites before the children of Israel, and hee said in the sight of Israel, Sunne, stand thou still vpon Gibeon, and thou Moone in the valley of Aialon.
13 And the Sunne stood still, and the Moone stayed, vntill the people had auenged themselues vpon their enemies. Is not this written in the booke of Iasher? So the Sunne stood still in the midst of heauen, and hasted not to goe downe, about a whole day.
14 And there was no day like that, before it, or after it, that the Lord hearkened vnto the voyce of a man: for the Lord fought for Israel.
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You will notice that the actual location of the sun is given - it stopped moving over Gibeon (so it would have been noon there). God has informed us of the reason for this action: so that Joshua could make an end of his slaughter JOSHUA 10:20



ISAIAH 38
5 Goe and say to Hezekiah, Thus saith the Lord, the God of Dauid thy father; I haue heard thy prayer, I haue seene thy teares: behold, I will adde vnto thy dayes fifteene yeeres.
6 And I will deliuer thee and this citie, out of the hand of the king of Assyria: and I will defend this citie.
7 And this shall be a signe vnto thee from the Lord, that the Lord will doe this thing that he hath spoken.
8 Behold, I will bring againe the shadow of the degrees which is gone downe in the Sunne-diall of Ahaz ten degrees backward: so the Sunne returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone downe.
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On this occasion, God moved the sun backwards, and again He has indicated the reason: as a sign to King Hezekiah. Of course God does not have to give reasons for His actions, but here He has.

PRAISE HIM !

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

This doesn't answer anything. That model is no where near the earth to sun ratio that is being discussed.

That's because is shows the Moon orbiting inside the Sun so it's not the best model.

[Soldier4God]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Yes.

This doesn't answer anything. That model is no where near the earth to sun ratio that is being discussed.