[razor89]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

You forget direct observation which we can both do.

Answer me this question; if the Sun is really 92,935,700 miles as the Far Sun Hypothesis says then how can the Sun get around the earth in 24 hours?

That really isn't what I was getting at. I was merely stating the the proof the OP provided hasn't been done correctly, and if you're going to use science please do it properly. See my post from one page back:

"Going back to the very first post. If you're going to use the science so many of you seem to refute, to attempt to prove your beliefs, can you please use it properly.

You first use Wien's Displacement Law to find the temperature of the sun, which is fine. The problem arises with your next calculation, using a temperature gradient model which, if true, would have to be hottest closest to the sun, coldest at the earth's surface; yet the temperature gradient you use (6K/km) has been measured to be the other way round (Temp drops the further from the Earth's surface). Even if you ignore this problem, the linear model you use implies either:

-The earth's atmosphere has to be uniform in every way, it's the only way the radiation absorption of the atmosphere can be the same at any height. We know this isn't true as the atmosphere is thinner the higher up you go.

-The sun's energy is not transferred via radiation (I have noticed some of you believe this to be true) in which case you can't use Wien's displacement Law as it is based on a perfect radiation emission spectrum."

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

That really isn't what I was getting at. I was merely stating the the proof the OP provided hasn't been done correctly, and if you're going to use science please do it properly. See my post from one page back:

Please don't distract from my basic point.

We have a directly observable point - the Sun orbits the earth in 24 hours. Now you say 95 million miles, Pastor Billy Reuben says 500 miles. It takes the Moon 27 days to orbit the earth at 238,857 miles. Which distance sounds more likely to orbit the earth in a 24 hour period?

[razor89]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Please don't distract from my basic point.

We have a directly observable point - the Sun orbits the earth in 24 hours. Now you say 95 million miles, Pastor Billy Reuben says 500 miles. It takes the Moon 27 days to orbit the earth at 238,857 miles. Which distance sounds more likely to orbit the earth in a 24 hour period?

Look, I'm not here to debate which belief is the correct one. It's futile, I'm sure no matter what I say it won't change what you believe, and vice versa. However, given that I do know a thing or two about the science Pastor Billy Reuben uses here, I decided that I would correct his mistakes. I only did what most of you would do if you saw me misquoting scripture publicly.

[James Hutchins]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Look, I'm not here to debate which belief is the correct one. It's futile, I'm sure no matter what I say it won't change what you believe, and vice versa. However, given that I do know a thing or two about the science Pastor Billy Reuben uses here, I decided that I would correct his mistakes. I only did what most of you would do if you saw me misquoting scripture publicly.

You are telling us that you know more than a Pastor?

I have not seen you post a single word of scripture. So assuming we would criticize you is uncalled for and outright rude. Please apologize.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Look, I'm not here to debate which belief is the correct one. It's futile, I'm sure no matter what I say it won't change what you believe, and vice versa. However, given that I do know a thing or two about the science Pastor Billy Reuben uses here, I decided that I would correct his mistakes. I only did what most of you would do if you saw me misquoting scripture publicly.

Scripture is different friend. Scripture come from God who is ineffable. Like God, Holy Scripture is supposed to make no sense, that's how we know its valid.

Science is different; science is the product of man's direct observation of the world around him. For science to be science it has to make sense and be consistent with other observations. Only God can make 2+2=5.

FACT: The Sun goes around the earth in 24 hours.

Now which model; Distant Sun or Near Sun fits this?

[razor89]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

You are telling us that you know more than a Pastor?

I have not seen you post a single word of scripture. So assuming we would criticize you is uncalled for and outright rude. Please apologize.

Yes. I have a degree in Physics. Which means I am qualified to talk about the science the Pastor is using here. If I was mistakenly using scripture I would expect to be told, and I would respect the person that tells me. In my view, it is their right, just as it is my right to have my beliefs. I wasn't assuming you would criticize me, I was assuming you would correct me, because in that situation, I believe you should correct me.

As previously stated, I'm not here to tell you your beliefs are wrong. In fact, I respect your right to have them. The only problem I have here is that you're using something I believe to be true in an incorrect way, to prove one of your beliefs.

[Brother Harold Porter]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Scripture is different friend. Scripture come from God who is ineffable. Like God, Holy Scripture is supposed to make no sense, that's how we know its valid.

Science is different; science is the product of man's direct observation of the world around him. For science to be science it has to make sense and be consistent with other observations. Only God can make 2+2=5.

FACT: The Sun rotates around the earth in 24 hours.

Now which model; Distant Sun or Near Sun fits this?

Praise Jesus, Brother!

This is what happens when God is tossed out of the laboratory. Without the Truth of His Word to guide us in admiration of His creation, so-called "science" becomes mere guesswork, conjecture and baseless suppositions modeled on nothing more than arguments from ignorance.

May God bless you.

[Shiroijin]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Praise the Lord! He has shown me how to prove scientifically that the sun is no more than 500 miles overhead.

Here is the proof:

To start off with, the sun is hot enough to glow yellow, so we can use Wein's Displacement Law to determine the temperature.

Wein's Displacement Law:
Peak Wavelength in meters = displacement constant / temperature in Kelvin

Yellow light has a wavelength between 570nm and 580nm, so we'll solve for 575nm. Since we are working with nanometers rather than meters, we'll simplify the math by multiplying the displacement constant by 10^9.

575 = 2897768.5/T
575 * T = 2897768.5
T = 2897768.5/575
T = 5039.6° K (8611.6° F)

So the sun is about 5039.6° Kelvin.

Now, the average temperature of the earth is 59° F, or about 288° K. The mean temperature gradient of the troposphere is 6° K/km, so let's solve for the distance.

d = (5039.6 - 288)/6
d = 791.9 km (491.1 miles)

There you have it. The sun is roughly 491.1 miles overhead. Depending on the exact shade of yellow (whether it's closer to 570nm or 580nm), this figure could be off by as much as 5 miles. However, I don't have a spectrometer handy, and I'm willing to live with an uncertainty of ±5 miles. It's not like I'm planning to visit anytime soon -- my shoes would melt .

The LORD is so good to me. Praise the sweet name of Jesus.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

A simple way to figure this out:

Fire a rocket, making certain it never reaches slower or faster than 500 miles per hour, and then fire it at the sun. Any advanced radio/satilite technology will be able to keep up with the progress of the rocket. If it stays up there perfectly fine for longer than an hour, you're wrong. If it gets blown up along the way, you're very likely to be right.

If you want numbers, I'll get back to you on that when I can use you as an example of using the Scientific method at its fullest for school as some sort of project/assignment.

[razor89]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Scripture is different friend. Scripture come from God who is ineffable. Like God, Holy Scripture is supposed to make no sense, that's how we know its valid.

Science is different; science is the product of man's direct observation of the world around him. For science to be science it has to make sense and be consistent with other observations. Only God can make 2+2=5.

FACT: The Sun rotates around the earth in 24 hours.

Now which model; Distant Sun or Near Sun fits this?

In the model of the universe I subscribe to, the distant sun model fits.
In the model of the universe you subscribe to, the near sun model fits.

I'm not going to try and disprove your belief. Why would I- This is your forum. I've already mentioned why I posted in the first place, and it wasn't to get into who's belief is the right one.

[Shiroijin]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

7926: Thats how big the earth's diameter is in miles.

Do you honestly believe that the sun, which is about 950,000 miles in diameter, is 500 miles away? Do a size comparison, for god's sake. I don't know if I'd rather laugh or cry at your stupidity.

[Righteousbeliever]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

You are confusing arguments here. Let us look at this in a more balanced view. Insulting someone is not the teaching of the Lord and you should adhere to that. There is no way you will convert people by being hostile.

7926: Thats how big the earth's diameter is in miles.

Do you honestly believe that the sun, which is about 950,000 miles in diameter, is 500 miles away? Do a size comparison, for god's sake. I don't know if I'd rather laugh or cry at your stupidity.

[Hydros]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

You forget direct observation which we can both do.

Answer me this question; if the Sun is really 92,935,700 miles as the Far Sun Hypothesis says then how can the Sun get around the earth in 24 hours?

You prat the sun doesn't go around the earth in 24 hours the earth goes around the sun every 365 and a quarter days. The earth SPINS a full rotation on its axis every 24 hours.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

You prat the sun doesn't go around the earth in 24 hours the earth goes around the sun every 365 and a quarter days. The earth SPINS a full rotation on its axis every 24 hours.

Nonsense. That isn't what the Bible tells us.

[James Hutchins]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

The Earth does not spin like a record, the Sun travels about the Earth as do all the Planets.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

You prat

Friend,

Were have I done a personal attack against you? Please show me the same respect.

the sun doesn't go around the earth in 24 hours the earth goes around the sun every 365 and a quarter days. The earth SPINS a full rotation on its axis every 24 hours.

So you say you are subscribing to the quaint, and outdated notion of Heliocentricism? No wonder you want to set the Distant Sun hypotheses as the narrative.