[Fr Michael]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Are you honestly trying to tell me that the world is flat. When many people have made a full circle of the earth. People sometimes go round it in a hot air balloon staring from lets say, Japan and then go along to Europe then the Americas and back to Japan but not back tracking through Europe or across Asia again. It is absurd to think the world is flat.

Thinking the Sun is only 500 miles away is one thing but to not believe something that is done quite often by people is clearly the denial of reality.

If you follow the Bible to the point that the world is flat, then unless you stone people to death for working on a Sunday you are not a Christian as you strongly think you are.

I am starting to believe this is site was not created by Christians but rather people who are not Christian and who seek to get people like myself into an argument for fun. I may be wrong but it baffles me to think that anyone to this day believes the world is flat!

Kind regards,

Thomas Hannah

Well, unless you have done that yourself, you only have your belief in the word of others, and who is to say they're being truthful?

[Cursed]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Are you honestly trying to tell me that the world is flat. When many people have made a full circle of the earth. People sometimes go round it in a hot air balloon staring from lets say, Japan and then go along to Europe then the Americas and back to Japan but not back tracking through Europe or across Asia again. It is absurd to think the world is flat.

How do you know? The people who say they have gone around it are liars. They want to brag about something they'd never really try because they know in their hearts the earth is flat, and they are afraid.

Thinking the Sun is only 500 miles away is one thing but to not believe something that is done quite often by people is clearly the denial of reality.

How many times to people have to lie to you before you get that people are liars? Lots of people say they can fly through the air with their own super powers, do you believe them too? Why do you believe one group and not the other?

If you follow the Bible to the point that the world is flat, then unless you stone people to death for working on a Sunday you are not a Christian as you strongly think you are.

We WOULD stone people to death for working on the Sabbath, they deserve it!

But we must follow secular law, as GOD tells us to.

And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.~Mark 12:17

We hope and pray that secular law falls soon so that we can follow the Laws of God, and righteously stone adulterers, disobedient children, witches, faggots, and other abominations! Praise God!

I am starting to believe this is site was not created by Christians but rather people who are not Christian and who seek to get people like myself into an argument for fun. I may be wrong but it baffles me to think that anyone to this day believes the world is flat!

So you think churches that follow the Holy Bible are here for arguments and fun?

Do you know how many millions of people have died for the Good Book? Have some respect, sir.

Cruel people like you make me sad.

[Brother Helge]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

On that note, do you stone people to death for working on a Sunday?

Kind regards,

No - we obey secular law.

[DoesItReallyMatter]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Do you take every single utter word from the bible as truth?
if so, where are you following "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself"??

No, I am not "Are you a bastard, hunchback, or negroid?" but even if I were, who are YOU to judge a person by their birth, their abilities, their appearance or their race? You are no christian my "friend". You are a sheep.

Come at me with facts, with proof, with a reasonable arguement and talk this out as decent rational human beings which I have up until now tried to maintain in a respectful manner. Do not use insults and belittlements trying to further your arguement because you dont know how to respond.


IF the scriptures show that whatever god wants, is - then how does the earth now belong to the devil? explain that, use your scriptures to prove the excistance of such an oxymoron.

Just because you believe it is so, doesnt make it so. There are numerous other religions out there that claim the same one true religion of god that you do. In fact, alot of them use the same bible that you do yet they come up with different truths. It is not enough that you say your reassurance is in the bible.... thats YOURS and yours alone. But that wont reassure someone seeking the truth and looking to you for guidance.


(by the way, in case you havnt guessed Im actually ASKING you, Im GIVING you this oppertunity to extend a hand to someone in faith yet you seem to think Im attacking you.... proof that your so bogged down in your own existance to even notice!)

[Thomas Hannah]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

How do you know? The people who say they have gone around it are liars. They want to brag about something they'd never really try because they know in their hearts the earth is flat, and they are afraid.



How many times to people have to lie to you before you get that people are liars? Lots of people say they can fly through the air with their own super powers, do you believe them too? Why do you believe one group and not the other?



We WOULD stone people to death for working on the Sabbath, they deserve it!

But we must follow secular law, as GOD tells us to.

And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.~Mark 12:17

We hope and pray that secular law falls soon so that we can follow the Laws of God, and righteously stone adulterers, disobedient children, witches, faggots, and other abominations! Praise God!



So you think churches that follow the Holy Bible are here for arguments and fun?

Do you know how many millions of people have died for the Good Book? Have some respect, sir.

Cruel people like you make me sad.

Its called the guinness book of world records. It is documented and is examined by a board of people to its authenticity. If you think everyone that claims to have done it and documented it to be a liar then you have very little faith in people.

I also was reffering to the lunacy which is believing the world is flat. I have no direct feeling to your holy beliefs but I was talking about this site alone. Not the your entire community. It came across to me like this site was a hoax or front of a Christian community in a deliberate way to wind up people like myself. I have encountered it before. I was mearly speculating at this sites authenticity.

Onto Secular law. Are you telling me that secular law is higher than Gods law. What can be higher than Gods law? I think you are misguided. Knowing the Romans to be very corrupt people and be known that Cesear was a tyrant. It is highly probable that he had the documents changed to suit his laws. It would be far easyier to change the document than convince everyone that his law was right.

[Brother Helge]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Are you telling me that secular law is higher than Gods law.

Hebrews 13:17

"Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you."

We must obey secular law. It's not debatable.

[Thomas Hannah]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Hebrews 13:17

"Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you."

We must obey secular law. It's not debatable.

Well if that's the case you have to obey there reason. The powers that be say the world is round and the Sun is millions of miles away. So what are you saying then. Secular law is right or wrong?

And dont say they believe the world is flat because if they thought that they wouldn't teach you about the Earth as a globe in school or that the universe is vast and wide with extremely large distances between planets, stars etc

Kind regards,

Thomas Hannah

[Fr Michael]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Well if that's the case you have to obey there reason. The powers that be say the world is round and the Sun is millions of miles away. So what are you saying then. Secular law is right or wrong?

And dont say they believe the world is flat because if they thought that they wouldn't teach you about the Earth as a globe in school or that the universe is vast and wide with extremely large distances between planets, stars etc

Kind regards,

Thomas Hannah

And what is the greatest power in existence?

[Thomas Hannah]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

And what is the greatest power in existence?

I dont know who the greatest power is. As I said in my original post on this page yesterday. I dont believe in religion on this planet. I do believe in a higher being but I dont know who or what it is. I can accept there is something bigger than me but I haven't worked out what it is yet.

My point is that if you hold your God to be the highest power then why not follow his law to the letter and still follow secular law. I think you dont follow secular law because you will be punished by the secular world.

If you follow secular law because you God tells you too then you must accept the law of physics which is made by the secular community. Not that there is not religious people in science, there are many.

So you have a choice, do you follow what your God says or do you follow what the secular community have decided what is right and wrong?

Kind regards,

Thomas Hannah

[Fr Michael]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

I dont know who the greatest power is. As I said in my original post on this page yesterday. I dont believe in religion on this planet. I do believe in a higher being but I dont know who or what it is. I can accept there is something bigger than me but I haven't worked out what it is yet.

My point is that if you hold your God to be the highest power then why not follow his law to the letter and still follow secular law. I think you dont follow secular law because you will be punished by the secular world.

If you follow secular law because you God tells you too then you must accept the law of physics which is made by the secular community. Not that there is not religious people in science, there are many.

So you have a choice, do you follow what your God says or do you follow what the secular community have decided what is right and wrong?

Kind regards,

Thomas Hannah

I suppose that depends on where you live, as secularity can apply to many things, law being one, and spirituality being another.

It's important to distinguish between the laws of man and the laws of God.

Also, I believe the question of stoning was hypothetical, which makes the counter point about secular law moot, since no crime (as decided by the secular state) took place, however, it is not a crime (in the same sense) to believe something to be true.

You seem a bit quick to judge Thomas.
Don't criticize someone for being practical and obeying the law of the land.

[Thomas Hannah]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

I suppose that depends on where you live, as secularity can apply to many things, law being one, and spirituality being another.

It's important to distinguish between the laws of man and the laws of God.

Also, I believe the question of stoning was hypothetical, which makes the counter point about secular law moot, since no crime (as decided by the secular state) took place, however, it is not a crime (in the same sense) to believe something to be true.

You seem a bit quick to judge Thomas.
Don't criticize someone for being practical and obeying the law of the land.

I am sorry if you felt I was being judgemental. I was mearly making a speculation. It is not my place to judge and I think you have misinterpreted what I said.

I am asking questions. If you follow Gods law then people that work on a Sunday are not obeying the law and according to your holy texts it says you must stone them to death. Am I wrong? If so could you show me the specific text in relation to stoning people to death. You will no doubt will know more about it than myself.

Kind regards,

Thomas Hannah

[Cursed]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Do you take every single utter word from the bible as truth?

Yes, Praise God!

if so, where are you following "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself"??

You're not my neighbor! I don't even know you!

No, I am not "Are you a bastard, hunchback, or negroid?" but even if I were, who are YOU to judge a person by their birth, their abilities, their appearance or their race? You are no christian my "friend".

Hey, don't kill the messenger! It's not ME that has cursed bastards, hunchbacks, and negroids, it's the LORD GOD!


A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.~Deuteronomy 23:2


I am a bastard son of a bastard, so I am exponentially cursed. This is why I must bear this name as a mark; this is why I cannot enter the grounds of Landover Baptist Church proper.

This makes me sad, but it is God's command. I thought maybe you were like me, that maybe I had found a friend and wouldn't be so lonely anymore.

I was wrong.


For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous,

Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded,

Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken;~Leviticus 21:18-20


This clearly explains that those who are crookbackt can not enter the Church either; you can't even have scabs! God hates scabs.


And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.

And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.

And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.

And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.~Genesis 9:22-27


Here is the Curse of Canaan; this is why negroids are accursed by THE LORD. I think your heart is hardened and that you may be accursed, there's nothing wrong with that. I'm just trying to help you.

Are your stones broken?

You are a sheep.

Yes, I am one of THE LORD's little flock, He is my shepherd! Amen!

Come at me with facts, with proof, with a reasonable arguement and talk this out as decent rational human beings which I have up until now tried to maintain in a respectful manner. Do not use insults and belittlements trying to further your arguement because you dont know how to respond.

I have not insulted you at all, sir. I have tried to help you with scripture! Why does the Word of God anger you so?

IF the scriptures show that whatever god wants, is - then how does the earth now belong to the devil? explain that, use your scriptures to prove the excistance of such an oxymormon.

I already did, with scripture! Satan rules the earth and has since sin has existed (after that harlot Eve fed poor Adam of the fruit of knowledge); this is his domain until GOD returns on Judgment Day and throws him into the fiery pit along with all of the unsaved trash for ever and ever, Amen!

These are not my words, but those of OUR LORD, who refers to Satan as the ruler of this earth on many occasions.

Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.~John 14:30

Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.~John 16:10-11

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.~2 Corinthians 4:4

Just because you believe it is so, doesnt make it so. There are numerous other religions out there that claim the same one true religion of god that you do. In fact, alot of them use the same bible that you do yet they come up with different truths.

They ignore they parts of the BIBLE they do not like; that's how you know they are false Christians and deceivers, agents of Satan.

We follow the ENTIRE BIBLE. That's how you can tell a True Christian!

It is not enough that you say your reassurance is in the bible.... thats YOURS and yours alone. But that wont reassure someone seeking the truth and looking to you for guidance.

It was enough for me, praise God! If it's not enough for them, that means they are Hell bound, who am I to stop them? I am just a humble bastard serving my LORD as best I can.

(by the way, in case you havnt guessed Im actually ASKING you, Im GIVING you this oppertunity to extend a hand to someone in faith yet you seem to think Im attacking you.... proof that your so bogged down in your own existance to even notice!)

As always, I have provided you with scriptures supporting the position of GOD. I hope this inspires you to read your 1611 King James Bible and serve Him! If you do not submit to His Will, you'll go to Hell!

Wouldn't you want me to yell "CAR!" if one was going to hit you? Wouldn't you expect me to yell out "BEAR!" if I see one charging out of the woods? I am just trying to warn you before it's too late!

HELL!

HELL is coming!

[Fr Michael]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

I am sorry if you felt I was being judgemental. I was mearly making a speculation. It is not my place to judge and I think you have misinterpreted what I said.

I am asking questions. If you follow Gods law then people that work on a Sunday are not obeying the law and according to your holy texts it says you must stone them to death. Am I wrong? If so could you show me the specific text in relation to stoning people to death. You will no doubt will know more about it than myself.

Kind regards,

Thomas Hannah

I too apologize if I have misunderstood.

If I could clarify, would you take the term "stoning" literally?

Logic dictates that if stoning is illegal in (for example) America, and God loves America, then God would not be in favor of stoning.

However, if you take the term to be metaphorical, then it could mean another kind of punishment, which may happen in this life, or the next, that would be up to God.

In my mind, this makes sense, as in a fair society, punishments should fit the crime, so does it fit that people die on the spot for working on a Sunday?

It's also a little unfair to be asking that question, as I get the impression that you don't believe people should be killed for that reason, so in asking others, you might appear to be entrapping them (in my humble opinion, of course).

[Thomas Hannah]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

@Cursed

If you are dammed to hell for no other reason than the actions of something your couldn't control. why do you have faith in a god the seeks to punish you for not doing anything wrong.

You may be a "bastard" that's not your fault you had no control over that situation. So you are being punished for being born. I would understand if you said my father and mother will be punished because they were consulting adults when your conception happened but for you to be punished because you were born is a wild theory in my eyes.

Kind regards,

Thomas Hannah

[Thomas Hannah]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

I too apologize if I have misunderstood.

If I could clarify, would you take the term "stoning" literally?

Logic dictates that if stoning is illegal in (for example) America, and God loves America, then God would not be in favor of stoning.

However, if you take the term to be metaphorical, then it could mean another kind of punishment, which may happen in this life, or the next, that would be up to God.

In my mind, this makes sense, as in a fair society, punishments should fit the crime, so does it fit that people die on the spot for working on a Sunday?

It's also a little unfair to be asking that question, as I get the impression that you don't believe people should be killed for that reason, so in asking others, you might appear to be entrapping them (in my humble opinion, of course).

Firstly, thank you for apologising.

Now if i am to understand that the word of God is down to interpretation then you are correct the term "stoning" could very well mean in an after life and up to God to deal with. Having said that if words in scripture are up to interpretation then why couldn't the distance be up to interpretation. Have you ever hear the term "feels like lifetime"? When people say that it doesn't mean its been a lifetime it means it has been a long period of time. So could the distance between the Sun and earth be like 500 miles but in fact a far larger distance?

Would you not agree that you can either take the word of God as true to the letter or you can interpret what God is trying to say? If so the exact distance from earth to the sun is really irrelevant and up for interpretation?

I do not agree with death to any person as i feel it is not our judgement to make. I dont believe in stoning, death penalty, flogging etc. I do believe that if a person is dangerous they should be removed from society and put in a environment safe for them as well as society but as equals we should never make the judgement of death as it goes against the fundamental principle of God "thou shall not kill"

You are correct my aim is to entrap someone with this question so they understand that life, death and God are not black and white.

Kind regards,

Thomas Hannah