[Sister Noddy]

Re: Monkey Worshipers Rewrite Holy Bible!

Thank you, Dr E C Ville, I appreciate your honest reply. You've clarified your viewpoint, in the literalistic approach, and it makes sense to me.

In my above post, I have simply outlined five possible theological prespectives with which to understand-define-interpret (if you will) the scripture with respect to chonological time.

This doesn't mean that all Anglicans in all parishes the world over in the Anglican Communion of churches (Episcopal church included in some countries) actually interpret the Bible in any of these ways. These are precepts for theologians and scholars.

For most people it makes sense to take the Bible as it is written, and hope for the best. The scriptures from beginning to end may certainly be presented as they are written, as literal historical fact, the prophesies as statements meaning exactly what they meant at the time they were given by God to men, and true for all time.

[Bobby-Joe]

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For most people it makes sense to take the Bible as it is written, and hope for the best. The scriptures from beginning to end may certainly be presented as they are written, as literal historical fact, the prophesies as statements meaning exactly what they meant at the time they were given by God to men, and true for all time.

Friend,

It should be for all people The Bible is to be taken as written. To say otherwise is to imply God is somehow limited. Not a Christian position at all.

[Sister Noddy]

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Friend,

It should be for all people The Bible is to be taken as written. To say otherwise is to imply God is somehow limited. Not a Christian position at all.

Yes thanks, Bobby-Joe, I see what you mean ---

--- Interesting to note that to apply human interpretation to God's word actually limits Him and his truth ---

Some theologians think the opposite, that to attribute different meanings to different prophesy written in different times, allows a deeper understanding of God's word --- but ---

--- Are they really adding meaning that isn't there, subtracting meaning that is supposed to be there, changing meaning when they should not?

Perhaps not a good thing after all, and not the way to becoming a true christian ...

Still my own questions remain --- what about the many passages in the different books of the Bible which (appear to) contradict one another? --- what about Biblical love and hate, Biblical tolerance and forgiveness? --- and what about the advanced science of today which obviously contradicts the creation account of Genesis, and many other events in both Old and New Testaments?

Perhaps it isn't for us to understand, but simply to believe, and leave to rest to God?

[Bobby-Joe]

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Yes thanks, Bobby-Joe, I see what you mean ---

--- Interesting to note that to apply human interpretation to God's word actually limits Him and his truth ---

[QUOTE=minister noddy;80991]More it misleds others about His nature and worse suggests an attempt to undermine Him. Futile yes, but so is Satan's rebellion against God.

Some theologians think the opposite, that to attribute different meanings to different prophesy written in different times, allows a deeper understanding of God's word --- but ---

--- Are they really adding meaning that isn't there, subtracting meaning that is supposed to be there, changing meaning when they should not?

Perhaps not a good thing after all, and not the way to becoming a true christian ...

Still my own questions remain --- what about the many passages in the different books of the Bible which (appear to) contradict one another? --- what about Biblical love and hate, Biblical tolerance and forgiveness? --- and what about the advanced science of today which obviously contradicts the creation account of Genesis, and many other events in both Old and New Testaments?

Perhaps it isn't for us to understand, but simply to believe, and leave to rest to God?

I view them as God showing us how pathetically limited we are that we see confusion. When I look in the sky and see light shining from stars that took over 10,000 years to reach me even though all I can see is only 6,000 years old I am left in awe of the Power of God®. God, and only God, can make 1 + 1 = 7.

[Sister Noddy]

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I view them as God showing us how pathetically limited we are that we see confusion. When I look in the sky and see light shining from stars that took over 10,000 years to reach me even though all I can see is only 6,000 years old I am left in awe of the Power of God®. God, and only God, can make 1 + 1 = 7.

There is light from stars (whole galaxies) out there that has taken over 13 billion years to reach us here on earth, Bobby-Joe ... our cosmology today can measure this distance and the time it took, according to the speed of light.

Could God and only God make 13.7 billion years (scientific age of the cosmos) = six 24hr days?

Is there a passage in the Bible that actually states the earth is 6,000 years old --- or is a date given for the creation? I know that by counting the generations back to Adam, the age of our planet would be approximately 6,000 years --- but does it specifically designate that number? Another passage (sorry, I don't remember what verse) mentions an age (or a day) is as a 'thousand years' to God --- but even that would be a metaphor in the face of science today, which can measure in the billions.

Could God and only God make 4.5 billion years (scientific age of our solar system and earth) = 6,000 years?

Still, your way of believing as true Christians, the Biblically literal way, is beginning to make sense to me --- as any other interpretation tries to 'put words into God's mouth' without His permission --- science or no science. I'm giving this some serious thought, that there is either belief in all of it, or there is non-belief --- no inbetween after all.

I appreciate your explanation, peace

[Bobby-Joe]

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Is there a passage in the Bible that actually states the earth is 6,000 years old --- or is a date given for the creation? I know that by counting the generations back to Adam, the age of our planet would be approximately 6,000 years --- but does it specifically designate that number?

No it is counting back. Adam is created on this fifth day so is clear the 6,000 is to Creation Week®.

Another passage (sorry, I don't remember what verse) mentions an age (or a day) is as a 'thousand years' to God --- but even that would be a metaphor in the face of science today, which can measure in the billions.

Could God and only God make 4.5 billion years (scientific age of our solar system and earth) = 6,000 years?

Still, your way of believing as true Christians, the Biblically literal way, is beginning to make sense to me --- as any other interpretation tries to 'put words into God's mouth' without His permission --- science or no science. I'm giving this some serious thought, that there is either belief in all of it, or there is non-belief --- no inbetween after all.

I appreciate your explanation, peace

Excellent. The Lord’s message seems to be working here. I think this is the main point you need to be consider; if you don’t believing in all of His Word then what about the parts you don’t believe in of The Bible? If parts of the Bible are wrong or irreverent that suggest God is incompetent or uncaring, neither is the God we Christians believe in.

[Joo (Quarantined)]

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Oh no, no, no, no --- they've gone over the top this time, it's an absolute disgrace! --- the Holy Scriptures are sacred and must NEVER be changed or altered!

Yeah like that almost never happens. Ever.

[Sister Noddy]

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Yeah like that almost never happens. Ever.

Yeah Joo -- but you know? -- the more I'm now learning from the Godly brothers and pastors of Landover, I am come to undertand that my former understanding was false --

-- that even tho the Bible has been translated and edited hundreds of times since the days of the prophets, it was first given by God to men in Jesus' favourite language, English, before the Tower of Babel and the scattering of tongues all over the earth --

-- have I got that right now, brothers? -- be sure to correct me if I'm still wrong about this

[Father Thomas Martin]

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Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Well, the darwinistas have finally gone and done it. They have had the demonic audacity to commit blasphemy by rewriting Gods Holy Word. As if they weren't in trouble enough, they are now claiming that Jesus' mother was a GORILLA!



I shudder with joy at the idea of what Jesus has in store for this jewess once He gets His hands on her. She'll be satan's favorite pincushion, at a minimum.

What are you whining about?

Last I checked, you saw the Blessed Mother as little more than a gorilla-just like them!

[Brother Temperance]

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What are you whining about?

Last I checked, you saw the Blessed Mother as little more than a gorilla-just like them!

Unlike you Catholo-Revisionist heretics, we do not accept the lie of Evilution, and so we still believe that there is a meaningful difference between humans and gorillas.

[Father Thomas Martin]

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Well, you certainly don't treat her with any real respect (Unlike us)

[Sista Lateefah]

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Well, you certainly don't treat her with any real respect (Unlike us)

I's yet to see you provide any evidence from scripture that she deserve respect.

[Father Thomas Martin]

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I's yet to see you provide any evidence from scripture that she deserve respect.

Here's some (Parts you should read in bold):

"Rejoice, O highly favored daughter! The Lord is with you. Blessed are among women" (The Angel Gabriel to her, in Lk 1:28)

"Thereupon Mary set out, proceeding in haste into the hill country to a town of Judah, where she entered Zechariah's house and greeted Elizabeth. When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leapt in her womb. Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit, and cried out in a loud voice: "Blest are you among women and blest is the fruit of your womb. But who am I that the mother of my Lord should come to me? The moment your greeting sounded in my ears, the baby leapt in my womb for joy. Blest is she who trusted that the Lord's words to her would be fulfilled" (Lk 1:39-45)

"Then God’s temple in heaven opened and in the temple could be seen the Ark of the Covenant. There were flashes of lightning and peals of thunder, an earthquake and a violent hailstorm. A great sign appeared in the sky, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. Because she was with child, she wailed aloud in pain as she labored to give birth. Then another sign appeared in the sky: it was a huge dragon, flaming red, with seven heads and ten horns; on his heads were seven diadems. His tail swept a third of the stars from the sky and hurled them down to the earth. Then the dragon stood before the woman about to give birth, ready to devour her child when it should be born. She gave birth to a son — a boy destined to shepherd all the nations with an iron rod. Her child was caught up to God and to his throne. The woman herself fled into the desert, where a special place had been prepared for her by God; there she was taken care of for 1260 days." (Revelation 11:19 - 12:6)

Shall I go on?

[SalvationSeeker]

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Shall I go on?

No I think you've misinterpretated the Holy Scriptures quite enough for now.
You papists sound just like the woman who approached Jesus, the first one to engage in idolatrous Mary worship;
And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him,
Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
Luke 11:27

But what does Jesus Himself think?
But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
Luke 11:28

So we believers are more blessed than Mary is, JESUS HIMSELF said it. And the Lord Jesus also said, when Mary wanted to talk to Him:
And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?
Mark 3:33

And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.
Mark 3:34-35

So once again, Jesus favours us believers over Mary.
He doesn't venerate her IN THE LEAST! (And neither did any of the disciples.)

And take a look at how He treats her here, in these verses:
And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:
And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage.
And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee?
Mine hour is not yet come.
John 2:1-4

And what about Mary herself, how did she feel about all this? Did she whine, and object, and call herself 'Queen of Heaven'? NO!
THIS is what she really said, and it's the only "commandment" Mary has ever given us:
His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.
John 2:5

And what about praying to Mary as a so-called mediatrix?
What does the Holy Bible say about that?
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; (ie NOT Mary, it is pointless, and idolatry.)
1 Timothy 2:5


And who is really this 'Queen of Heaven' that you venerate so much? It is not even Mary, but an idol and a false god!
And praising her makes the LORD very angry.

The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven,
And to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.
Jeremiah 7:18

But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things,
And have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.
Jeremiah 44:18

In short:
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan:
For it is written, Thou shalt worship THE LORD THY GOD, and HIM ONLY shalt thou serve.
Luke 4:8

But it was a nice try, papist.