[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer

were are the leviathans at? the Nephilim the giants the Fiery Serpents the Behemoth the unicorns the cockatrice or the Satyrs and so on if you need bible verse just me know

Hello friend, and thank you for your questions.

Leviathan is not plural. There is only one Leviathan and it lives at the bottom of the deep ocean trenches.

The nephilim and the giants all drowned in the flood.

The fiery serpents are not earthly creatures. They were sent by God to keep the Israelites in the wilderness in line whenever they started murmuring.

Behemoth is the Hebrew word for hippopotamus.

I'm not sure about the unicorns, cockatrices, or satyrs. I know you God-hating atheists don't put much stock in what the Bible has to say, but there's extra-Biblical evidence for them as well. The pagan Greeks also knew about them.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Atheist Slayer]

Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer

God knows all the answers to these questions. He already answered them when he wrote the Bible and the answer is they're all false. All these evil scientists are just trying to disprove God's word but true christians know the answer... if it's not in the Bible, it's mere blasphemy.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer

were are the leviathans at? the Nephilim the giants the Fiery Serpents the Behemoth the unicorns the cockatrice or the Satyrs and so on if you need bible verse just me know

Secularists murdered them to prove their THEORY of Evolution. You can look in ANY beastuary or natural history book up and until The (s0 called) Enlightenment (AKA when The West kissed Satan's ass) and find ALL of those naturally occurring animals listen. Suddenly, 1700, poof those animals go away just the first versions of Evolution are being introduced.

Pretty convenient for the Evolutionists that ALL animals with no fossil record have been eliminated.

[Cody Parsons]

Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer

were are the leviathans at? the Nephilim the giants the Fiery Serpents the Behemoth the unicorns the cockatrice or the Satyrs and so on if you need bible verse just me know

Havent u heard of fossils. Some of these are called dinosaurs by scientists now and some still need to be found but their in the Bible so we know they were real.

[clouds_star]

Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer

were are the leviathans at? the Nephilim the giants the Fiery Serpents the Behemoth the unicorns the cockatrice or the Satyrs and so on if you need bible verse just me know

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer

So basically, you didn't give my argument a fair hearing because it was "long". Besides being lazy, that's pretty rude, and only goes to show you dismiss all of this stuff outright without even giving it a shot (which is what a rational person should do).

I don't need to read blasphemy to know that it is. The Bible is the Bible.

Trust me, I know Christians who believe it. All my Christian friends do.

Those people are not real Christians. First of all, real Christians would NEVER be friends with a non-Christian.

James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

2nd John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2nd John 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2nd John 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

1st John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

2nd Thessalonians 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

2nd Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
2nd Corinthians 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
2nd Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
2nd Corinthians 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

1st Corinthians 10:20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.

1st Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

Matthew 10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
Matthew 10:15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

2nd Chronicles19:2 And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD.

Leviticus 10:10 And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean;

Most Christians do. Hang on, is that a majority kinda thing? Not saying the masses are always right, but maybe...

Most Christians do, really?

Only 4 in 10 Believe in Evolution

Belief drops to 24% among frequent church attenders

http://www.gallup.com/poll/114544/darwin-birthday-believe-evolution.aspx

But I'm sure you are more trustworthy than Gallup, right?

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer

WELL.. a bit of a long (and extremely ill-informed) post there, but I ought to respond to it all well, most of it - to avoid the charge of "cherry picking"

Okay, since you have directly called for debate on this

NO WE HAVEN'T

you guys don't fully understand evolution

unfortunately you are the one who fails to glean even the least tenet of this idiotic theory

GCSE

not really recognised by any serious academic institution - the International Baccalaureate is universally recognised, and avoids those tedious ranking lists. It is always preferred by home educators.

If you dismiss this before you read it..

Well of course I dismissed it! I have read the literature of "evolution" - YOU HAVEN'T.

1. An organism is adapted to the environment in which it lives.

NO IT ISN'T
the evolutionist claims: it is not adapted: that is why it changes
The FALSE ASSERTIONS of evolutionists will be presented in TURQUOISE (and I will try to keep it short).

For example, a horse has legs so it can run.

WRONG
the evolutionist claims: a horse runs because it has legs

2. Organisms reproduce by sexual reproduction.

Amœbæ don't - neither do the vast majority of God's creation.

3. Each of the parents provide half of the genetic code.
For example, blonde parents give birth to blonde children. Big horses will give birth to big horses.
4. This means children are different from their parents.

Who taught you that rubbish? In your next paragraph you start going on about "mutations" and how offspring are different

These differences are called mutations, and, despite the name, to not mean disgusting changes, third eyes, or others. A mutation could simply be being tall, having blue eyes, or black hair.

from the point of view of primeval slime - any arm would be disgusting..

5. These differences can be beneficial for survival.

Mutants are nearly always sterile. Any possibility of a non-sterile mutant meeting another non-sterile mutant is so statistically remote as to be impossible (because they would not occur at the same time, let alone in the same place) ref1 ref2

..the weak die off..
6. This process repeats.

Over time, small mutations build up to a large changes. From monkeys into humans,

the evolutionist claims: Humans did not evolve from monkeys

These small steps are well documented by fossil records.

the evolutionist claims: the fossil record shows abrupt appearance of new species ref3

Okay, so that's a brief summary

..demonstrating that you don't know what you're talking about.

Remember, evolution is independent of the bible because it draws its evidence from observations

there are no observations of evolution.

Nowhere in the theory did I say..

It's not your theory.

The first land creatures were stuff like frogs

no they weren't
the evolutionist claims: they were arthropods ref4

Mars is a different planet.

The Earth is not a planet. ref5

..probability based..

you don't understand statistics or probability (GCSE again)

Why would having a third arm be better?

Why would having any arms be better??

Angels and demons are not part of the theory.

THEY ARE A PART OF THE BIBLE

There was no talking snake

ref6

Mutations are random, so some monkeys went on to become humans and some monkeys went on to become other monkeys.

the evolutionist claims: HUMANS DID NOT EVOLVE FROM MONKEYS

the world is not 6,000 years old. But this isn't really about that.

yes it is: you claim that evolution occurred over thousands of millions of years! ref7 - work it out for yourself!

...unicorns don't exist?

ref8 ref9

The transition from single celled to multi-celled isn't fully understood

..especially not by you.

Mud isn't life, mud doesn't evolve. Fish didn't spontaneously turn into mud..

..Basically in every way you misunderstand the theory.

But Rev. Osborne has put his finger right on it. Nakedness. Either we freeze or dehydrate or need warming up. Our need for clothing is the greatest "maladaption" to the environment we live in, and our Pastors have the exact remedy for your prating ignorance. Satan has closed your mind - but Jesus has brought you here: let the Pastoral team open it up for you that you may know joy.

Nehemiah 8:10

[Godsgrace]

Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer

So basically, you didn't give my argument a fair hearing because it was "long"...

No, you're not given a fair hearing because your argument isn't scripturally based in the King James Bible...

Trust me, I know Christians who believe it. All my Christian friends do. Most Christians do...

False christians might, but false christians would believe just about any nonsense someone tells them simply because it's in some book...

[The Lodge]

Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer

So basically, you didn't give my argument a fair hearing because it was "long". Besides being lazy, that's pretty rude, and only goes to show you dismiss all of this stuff outright without even giving it a shot (which is what a rational person should do).

Trust me, I know Christians who believe it. All my Christian friends do. Most Christians do. Hang on, is that a majority kinda thing? Not saying the masses are always right, but maybe...

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer

Okay, since you have directly called for debate on this, I will have a shot at answering this.

I stopped reading right there. This is not a debate forum, and nobody "called for" one. Your task is simply to answer the questions taking into account the Holy Word of God. If it doesn't agree with the Bible, then it's nonsense.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer

Okay, well, that's my attempt. I will consider my post a success if anybody walks away knowing a little bit more about the theory. You sure these two can't co-exist? Many Christians think so. Many scientist Christians think so, I know quite a few. They're probably the ones you should be talking to.

Too long, didn't read.

The last part caught my eye. People who believe in evolution are NOT Christian! Can one be a Christian and believe in evolution?

To find what REAL Christian scientists say, look here: www.answersingenesis.com

[The Lodge]

Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer

Okay, since you have directly called for debate on this, I will have a shot at answering this.To clarify, I don't dislike any of you, I don't say you can't believe what you believe. By the way, totally not scared by the whole going to hell thing... so telling my I will doesn't make your point more valid. Also, it says "unsaved welcome" in the top banner and I don't believe I'm flaming, I'm just stating my opinion.
I would love a blow by blow analysis of this.
I think the main problem is you guys don't fully understand evolution, and dismiss it immediately before giving it a proper hearing. I doubt many of you know what the theory of evolution actually states, so I'll take my GCSE (UK secondary education) biology and spell it out.

Evolution

If you dismiss this before you read it, you're defeating the point of the debate you called and not being rational.

If you feel like reading it somewhere better, check: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

1. An organism is adapted to the environment in which it lives.

For example, a horse has legs so it can run.

2. Organisms reproduce by sexual reproduction.

This means a horse mates with another horse (egg meets sperm) to create a new organism)

3. Each of the parents provide half of the genetic code.

For example, blonde parents give birth to blonde children. Big horses will give birth to big horses.

4. This means children are different from their parents.

These differences are called mutations, and, despite the name, to not mean disgusting changes, third eyes, or others. A mutation could simply be being tall, having blue eyes, or black hair.

5. These differences can be beneficial for survival.

For example, if a horse has longer legs, it can run faster away from predators. Therefore it is less likely to die. Therefore it is more likely to live to a time when it can mate and pass on its tall genes. This means survival of the fittest, so the weak die off and the strong survive.

6. This process repeats.

Over time, small mutations build up to a large changes. From monkeys into humans, fish into amphibians, all in very small steps. These small steps are well documented by fossil records.

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Okay, so that's a brief summary. Thanks for reading. Now I'll attempt to go through these questions. Some of them are actually very trivial and basically display a misunderstanding of the theory. Remember, evolution is independent of the bible because it draws its evidence from observations taken from the world itself.

Account for the missing land sharks
If we evolved from fish, why haven’t sharks, who according to your theory predate us, evolved into land animals and are hunting us

Misunderstanding the theory here. Nowhere in the theory did I say sharks were hunting you. Land sharks, taken literally, would mean sharks with legs. This basically assumes that evolution happens suddenly, which it doesn't - change and mutation is very gradual. The first land creatures were stuff like frogs - very similar to fish.

Explain floods on Mars with out the Great Flood of the Bible
If Noah’s flood didn’t happen then how do explain the evidence of a great flood on Mars?

Mars is a different planet. I don't believe there was a great flood, given the massive opposition against Flood Theory. Not sure what this has to do with evolution, anyway.

Account for fools
If evolution is survival of the fittest then how do explain the continued survival of unsuccessful groups of stupid humans?

This is a more valid point, probably asked by someone who knows a bit more about the theory. There will always be a range of people with different intelligences. A lot of it is probability based, so on average, stupid people will die slightly more than intelligent people. For everyone to be intelligent, we'd all have to stop mating with stupid people (which leads to "master race nazi stuff" which basically isn't very nice).

Explain why human's aren't perfect
If we are evolving why don’t we have third arms now?

Evolution is a constant process, so everything is always improving to match the environment better. Why would having a third arm be better? Where would it go? What would it do? Wouldn't it make balancing difficult? Can't we do enough stuff to survive and reproduce with two?

Explain infant murder
If we are evolved to nature our young then how do you secular humanist explain your groups pathological desire to kill yours with abortions?

This one isn't really to do with evolution. We are evolved to nurture our young, but people make mistakes and sometimes don't want children.

Why no bodies?
If humanity was roughly a million people living at one time. If the human race is 150,000 years old like you maintain that means there have been 150,000,000,000 who lived before the current era. If each corpse takes up 3 by 6 feet then that means the remains of human ancestors cover 1350 billion square feet of the earth! Why are we not buried under the remains of 150 billion people?

Are you serious? Have you ever seen what happens when an animal dies? It starts to rot because it is broken down by decomposers. Eventually all that's left are bones which eventually get covered in mud, get moved or are destroyed.
Were do angels and demons fit into the Evolutionist tree of life?
Please explain the earliest common ancestor with all animals, angles and demons. What is their ancestry and transitional form?

Angels and demons are not part of the theory. There are no "angel" genes or "demon" genes. Why aren't they accounted for? Find me a corpse of one so I can measure it.

Explain talking snake in the garden threw evolution.
Please tell me when serpents lost the power of speech and the process with which it happened. Please include any fossil of impaired speech snakes.

There was no talking snake/that story is symbolic/the devil possessed it and made it talk and communicate.

Explain the Loch Ness Monster threw evolution.
I find it hard to believe that a whole species can sustain itself from so few individuals as observed in Loch Ness. Sounds like a hole in your theory to me

Um. There is no conclusive, hard evidence for the existence of the Loch Ness Monster.

If evolution is true, then why don't trees stretch up to the stratosphere?
Scientists say that trees grow taller and taller because natural selection forces them to compete for light with other trees. However, they have supposedly had hundreds of millions of years to evolve, but the tallest tree in the world is a mere 370 feet tall.

If evolution were true, we should be living in pitch dark, because the entire troposphere would be encased in a big sheet of tree leaves. Asked by Pastor Billy-Rueben
It would be impossible for trees to get to that height. They would need progressively more and more nutrients, and whether it's beneficial to stretch the amount of available nutrients to get that much more light is unlikely. There are logical limits to these things.

Why don't we act like monkeys
If we are evolved from monkeys why do we behave like them; service our selves constantly an throw our feces about? Asked by Eight or Better

Because it wasn't beneficial for survival, therefore those who did have died out.

Why are there still monkey?
Evolution predicts the stronger species (humans) would crush and exterminate the weaker species(monkeys) it evolved from. Asked by ChristianSoldier

Evolution does not continue in "one direction". Mutations are random, so some monkeys went on to become humans and some monkeys went on to become other monkeys. You might as well say "why aren't humans the only ones left because all other species are weaker?"

Please account for quick extinctions.
According to evolution theory it takes millions of years for a species to go extinct. Yet we have examples of species dying out in a few hundred years like the Dodo. Please account for this.
It certainly does not always take millions of years for an extinction to take place. If the environment suddenly changes,
Were are ancestors and fossilizes remains of the dragon, satyr and unicorn?
I would say the lack of fossils for these three creatures presents a clear gap in the record.
Those creatures never existed according to the theory.
Why are no human ancestors mentioned in The Bible?
The very fact that Neandertals, Homo-Erectuces are not mentioned in The Bible proves they are made up. I mean you would think God would have mentioned them 6,000 years ago when He wrote The Bible. duh.

Can't pretend I know a whole lot about the bible, but I'm sure God had his reasons. I'd say that's more a flaw of the bible than a flaw with evolution... Besides, the world is not 6,000 years old. But this isn't really about that.

Explain wasps with evolution.
Wasp paralyze spiders and then implant their young in them to feed on living, but helpless insect. If evolution was true them spiders would have anti-wasp poison in their blood. But they don’t. The only way you can get such a horrific death as those countless spiders suffer is threw the power of God.

Well, some spiders probably do have the poison in their blood. However, some wasps had mutations such that they could resist the poison. Basically you've highlighted a form of "arms race" between species, a very interesting part of evolution.

How could Cain could procreate with his sisters if evolution was true?
If can was getting busy with his sister like The Bible relates then the human race should be a race of inbreed deformities like the English Royal Family. Instead we see the general population is healthy. This can only happen if Cain and his sister were of the pure first generation after Adam not corrupted by sins yet.

It is true that inbreeding causes higher chances of negative deformities (essentially because you are more likely to get the parents negative genes). However, if Cain had procreated with his sisters, eventually family trees would grow "distant" enough, so that the effects of inbreeding were no longer existent. Besides, as I said before evolution does not draw its evidence from the bible, hence there was not one pair of parents who started mankind.

The Genealogy of Henry III
The "Evidence From Genealogy" display, donated by Edgar Nurnberg, is one of the more favorite displays of our visitors. These scrolls from the Lambeth Palace in England trace the genealogy of King Henry the 6th back to Adam and Eve.
Asked by Heathen Basher 8/18/09

...and are you sure those scrolls are true? Are they in the bible? Evolution doesn't base itself from ideas and family histories like this.

Unicorn Horns
What so-called "evoloutionary role" does the horn on a unicorn play? I was taught evolutionary theory, and I can't figure it out! Asked by H. Montague Worthington's 8/24/09

...unicorns don't exist?

Transitional fossils for single celled organism.
The Darwinists would have us believe that life evolved from single-celled organisms to more complicated forms. If that's true, then we should expect to see intermediaries between organisms with one cell and organisms with millions/billions/trillions of cells, but that's exactly what we don't see. Where are all the two-celled organisms that we should see if evolution was true? Where are all the five-celled organisms or twelve-celled organisms? Are we supposed to believe that 50 million amoebas randomly assembled into a fully formed flatworm by chance? Asked by Pastor Billy-Reuben. 8/25/09

It's a gradual process. The transition from single celled to multi-celled isn't fully understood, of course. This is probably the best question here, and of course we don't expect one cell to become a 50 million set. Once again, it's a gradual process - very slowly, mostly by chance due to the huge number of trails, single cells became multi celled life.

Why is there still mud?
Darwinists claim that life originate in mud. If you really believe that a big pile of mud turned into a fish, which sprouted legs and arms and turned into monkeys, which turned into human beings, then you're more stupid than I thought. For a start, if that's true, why's there still mud around, and why do babies not have tails like monkeys when they're born? Asked by Rachel Pierce 11/4/09

Mud isn't life, mud doesn't evolve. Fish didn't spontaneously turn into mud, single celled organisms came into being (exactly how is a matter of great debate - evolution is being refined constantly, like all good theories), which evolved into multi cellular life, which evolved into... ...eventually becoming fish. Basically, you misunderstand the theory.

On the idea of babies not having tails, what part of the theory do you get that from?

Why don't chemicals think?
If our brains are just a mishmash of biochemistry, how come chemicals like gasoline or bug spray can't think? Rev. Jim Osborne 1/11/10

What part of evolution makes you think that "chemicals must think?"

Why don't we have natural clothing?
People have been wearing clothes for thousands of years. Why haven't our bodies evolved natural clothes that come out of our skin then? Rev. Jim Osborne 1/11/10

Because we evolved with minds intelligent enough to make clothes. Natural clothes would be hair, but the human environment changed so that small body hairs were more beneficial.

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Okay, well, that's my attempt. I will consider my post a success if anybody walks away knowing a little bit more about the theory. You sure these two can't co-exist? Many Christians think so. Many scientist Christians think so, I know quite a few. They're probably the ones you should be talking to.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer

Again, please, they have lots of hair on their face, you think that qualify them as Wolfs?

Hey, I didn't name them, that's what they call themselves. It's just one famous example as most would hide children like them rather than seeing them as a money making opportunity.

You're so naive, like I said before, not every 'misconception' is a animal-person, it's not because YOU THINK it looks like an animal it them makes an animal. You're like looking in clouds and saying 'it looks like a bear', it makes the clouds not a actual bear.

Because you've proven yourself so wise.

Those differences are merely causes of mutations, birth defects, hormone defects, or other.

Care to point out where any of these defects or mutations have ever given someone the advantage? Every mutated kid I've heard of has been dumped into hospitals because parents were unable to cope.

If you also think those were acts o god / gods, again you're naive and acting stupid.

Because you said so? Exactly what in your entire life of yapping has actually even come close to being "proof".

[James Dewitt]

Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer

you're all naive people.

Nope, I am not an Injun, just American.

[Sheldon the Swede]

Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer

I'll ask you to keep a civil tongue, you unsaved trash.

We don't care what you have to say, we care about the Bible. The Bible tells us that what you are claiming is all lies

So you admit you live in a fantasy world called the bible? That even reality can't make you change your mind about everything?

Tell me, did god literally wrote the (fucking) bible, o has he 'inspired' HUMAN BEINGS to write the bible, if it is the latter, then you're all naive people.