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  • Jamesy
    Confirmed Enemy of God
    BANNED from Landover -- Aeternal Damnation Assured
    • Jan 2010
    • 31

    #1

    Proof God is not real.

    Two possibilities: God is infinite, or God isn't infinite.

    If God is infinite:

    It is refuted, because, not being
    Infinite, your God is contingent, and therefore
    superfluous. It is against Occam's Razor to
    make up a God, to explain things, when that
    God, being contingent, needs to be explained
    as well. That multiplies explanations beyond
    logical parsimony. It is disproved, because a supernatural
    entity, of which Gods are by definition, if finite, are
    subject to Infinite regress, which is self-refuting.
    Non-supernatural entities are not subject to
    infinite regress, because existence is
    conceptually irreducible. If you say your god is finite, then your
    God is disproved because it can't be called
    a God. Gods are by definition, supernatural, but
    finitude is of the natural world. So, saying your
    God is finite, means it can't even be called
    a God. Not only that, but the concept would
    be further self refuting, because, if finite things
    can be called God, then the entire God concept
    is impossibly incoherent, since everything in the
    natural world. including yourself as a human, can
    be called God.

    If God isn't infinite:

    An actual infinity is impossible as an actual infinity commits the fallacy
    of the floating abstraction, which makes it illegitimate.
  • Gabriel Reproba
    Head Attorney of Landover's Legal Team
    The Most Honest Lawyer in America
    True Christian™
    • Nov 2009
    • 2479

    #2
    Re: Proof God is not real.

    Originally posted by Jamesy View Post
    Two possibilities: God is infinite, or God isn't infinite.
    Do you COPY AND PASTE everything you see without giving credit to the original author? Where I come from that is illegal and immoral. More evidence that atheists are thieves.
    Yours In Christ,

    Gabriel Reproba, Esq. (Lawyer for the Lord)

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    • Jamesy
      Confirmed Enemy of God
      BANNED from Landover -- Aeternal Damnation Assured
      • Jan 2010
      • 31

      #3
      Re: Proof God is not real.

      Originally posted by Gabriel Reproba View Post
      Do you COPY AND PASTE everything you see without giving credit to the original author? Where I come from that is illegal and immoral. More evidence that atheists are thieves.
      Firstly, I just remembered, so I was going to edit that in.

      Secondly, you completely avoided the actual question.

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      • Jamesy
        Confirmed Enemy of God
        BANNED from Landover -- Aeternal Damnation Assured
        • Jan 2010
        • 31

        #4
        Re: Proof God is not real.

        But then I realised your forum was shit and didn't have an edit button.

        Point is, nice one for avoiding the point and attacking WHERE the information came from, not the information itself.

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        • GOD=life
          WARNING: Do not attempt to debate. You will lose horribly.
          True Christian™
          • Jan 2010
          • 3263

          #5
          Re: Proof God is not real.

          Originally posted by Jamesy View Post
          Two possibilities: God is infinite, or God isn't infinite
          The conclusion follows directly from the boundary conditions that you place on God.

          Btw, ever heard of secular laws called "copyright infringement" or "plagiarism"? We follow the Ten Commandments which forbids theft. That includes Intellectual Property (IP) theft. But hey, what do we backward folks know, eh?
          I take my orders from Jesus H. Christ, supernatural born US citizen

          Be wary of false Kumbaya Christians who use a highlighter and scissors to read the Bible. God wants us to read the lines, not between the lines. False Christians will go to Hell:
          Matthew 7:22
          Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
          Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

          Asking a Christian to prove God exists is like asking him to prove his phone rings because yours doesn't. Make that call yourself! Dial 0800-get-on-your-knees-and-pray.

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          • Jamesy
            Confirmed Enemy of God
            BANNED from Landover -- Aeternal Damnation Assured
            • Jan 2010
            • 31

            #6
            Re: Proof God is not real.

            Originally posted by GOD=life View Post
            The conclusion follows directly from the boundary conditions that you place on God.

            Btw, ever heard of secular laws called "copyright infringement" or "plagiarism"? We follow the Ten Commandments which forbids theft. That includes Intellectual Property (IP) theft. But hey, what do we backward folks know, eh?
            It's not plagiarism because I never claimed it to be my own work which is what plagiarism is, and the work isn't "copyrighted" anyway so fuck you.

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            • GOD=life
              WARNING: Do not attempt to debate. You will lose horribly.
              True Christian™
              • Jan 2010
              • 3263

              #7
              Re: Proof God is not real.

              Originally posted by Jamesy View Post
              It's not plagiarism because I never claimed it to be my own work which is what plagiarism is,
              Strange, the post had your name next to it. Do you expect us to make the assumption that anything you write is copy/pasted?

              Originally posted by Jamesy View Post
              so piffle you.
              And there is that atheist temper again
              I take my orders from Jesus H. Christ, supernatural born US citizen

              Be wary of false Kumbaya Christians who use a highlighter and scissors to read the Bible. God wants us to read the lines, not between the lines. False Christians will go to Hell:
              Matthew 7:22
              Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
              Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

              Asking a Christian to prove God exists is like asking him to prove his phone rings because yours doesn't. Make that call yourself! Dial 0800-get-on-your-knees-and-pray.

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              • Brother Temperance
                Senior Usher
                True Christian™ missionary to the Unsaved Kingdom
                A very nice young man
                True Christian™
                • Sep 2006
                • 15621

                #8
                Re: Proof God is not real.

                What if God's so infinite that He can be infinite and finite at the same time, eh? Bet you didn't think of that, did you? Your tiny little mind must be blown right now.
                O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it--for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.



                God being truth, justice, goodness, beauty, power, and life, man is falsehood, iniquity, evil, ugliness, impotence, and death. God being master, man is the slave. Incapable of finding justice, truth, and eternal life by his own effort, he can attain them only through a divine revelation... he who desires to worship God must harbor no childish illusions about the matter, but bravely renounce his liberty and humanity.

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                • Irrational_Humanist
                  Confirmed Enemy of God
                  • Jan 2010
                  • 8

                  #9
                  Re: Proof God is not real.

                  Originally posted by Brother Temperance View Post
                  What if God's so infinite that He can be infinite and finite at the same time, eh? Bet you didn't think of that, did you? Your tiny little mind must be blown right now.
                  That makes absolutely no sense, which therefore leads me to assume that you have no idea what you're talking about.
                  Wow, someone on these web forums not knowing what they're talking about & then needlessly insulting someone. You sort of sound like that Pastor Ezekiel fellow.

                  Your neighbourhood cynic.

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                  • GOD=life
                    WARNING: Do not attempt to debate. You will lose horribly.
                    True Christian™
                    • Jan 2010
                    • 3263

                    #10
                    Re: Proof God is not real.

                    Your ignorance of how Christians view God is not proof of the non-existence of God. Basically, you are positing that God does not exist and concluding therefore He does not.

                    A better question to ask is: why are you bent on disproving God in a Christian forum? Are you trolling for attention?
                    I take my orders from Jesus H. Christ, supernatural born US citizen

                    Be wary of false Kumbaya Christians who use a highlighter and scissors to read the Bible. God wants us to read the lines, not between the lines. False Christians will go to Hell:
                    Matthew 7:22
                    Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
                    Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

                    Asking a Christian to prove God exists is like asking him to prove his phone rings because yours doesn't. Make that call yourself! Dial 0800-get-on-your-knees-and-pray.

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                    • GOD=life
                      WARNING: Do not attempt to debate. You will lose horribly.
                      True Christian™
                      • Jan 2010
                      • 3263

                      #11
                      Re: Proof God is not real.

                      Originally posted by Irrational_Humanist View Post
                      That makes absolutely no sense (to you), which therefore leads me to assume that you have no idea what you're talking about.
                      Ah, so your assumptions here is that you are the arbiter of what makes sense and what does not? So if you don't understand something, the only inescapable conclusion is that it simply makes no sense.

                      Check.
                      I take my orders from Jesus H. Christ, supernatural born US citizen

                      Be wary of false Kumbaya Christians who use a highlighter and scissors to read the Bible. God wants us to read the lines, not between the lines. False Christians will go to Hell:
                      Matthew 7:22
                      Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
                      Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

                      Asking a Christian to prove God exists is like asking him to prove his phone rings because yours doesn't. Make that call yourself! Dial 0800-get-on-your-knees-and-pray.

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                      • Brother Temperance
                        Senior Usher
                        True Christian™ missionary to the Unsaved Kingdom
                        A very nice young man
                        True Christian™
                        • Sep 2006
                        • 15621

                        #12
                        Re: Proof God is not real.

                        Originally posted by Irrational_Humanist View Post
                        That makes absolutely no sense, which therefore leads me to assume that you have no idea what you're talking about.
                        Think about it: the human mind is finite, and there are some concepts that it cannot fully grasp. God, being infinite, is wonderful beyond the limits of human comprehension. Therefore, if He made sense, that would mean that He was finite, and therefore not really God. So, the fact that my arguments don't make sense to your finite human mind prove that they must be right and God must be real. The Lord wins again!
                        O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it--for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.



                        God being truth, justice, goodness, beauty, power, and life, man is falsehood, iniquity, evil, ugliness, impotence, and death. God being master, man is the slave. Incapable of finding justice, truth, and eternal life by his own effort, he can attain them only through a divine revelation... he who desires to worship God must harbor no childish illusions about the matter, but bravely renounce his liberty and humanity.

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                        • TruePath
                          Unsaved trash
                          • Dec 2009
                          • 220

                          #13
                          Re: Proof God is not real.

                          Salam'un'Aleykum
                          If God is not real then how do you explain the existence of The Noble Qu'Ran?
                          Surah 4:169 O people of the Book! do not exceed in your religion, nor say against God aught save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, is but the apostle of God ... say not "Trinity." Desist! it will be better for you. God is only one God, far be it for Him that He should beget a Son!

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                          • MarkHenry
                            Confirmed Enemy of God
                            • Jan 2010
                            • 180

                            #14
                            Re: Proof God is not real.

                            The concept is missleading because your thinking does not make sence.
                            You try to prove, that something of which existance you have no prove, does not exist. How do you know of it in the first place?

                            Us scientists must always assume that something exists untill we find HARD PROOF that it is otherwise, and even then we must view our work critically to enhance our evidence any further.

                            You say there is no god.
                            I say there is a god untill I find out that there is no god.

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                            • GOD=life
                              WARNING: Do not attempt to debate. You will lose horribly.
                              True Christian™
                              • Jan 2010
                              • 3263

                              #15
                              Re: Proof God is not real.

                              Originally posted by TruePath View Post
                              If God is not real then how do you explain the existence of The Noble Qu'Ran?
                              I take my orders from Jesus H. Christ, supernatural born US citizen

                              Be wary of false Kumbaya Christians who use a highlighter and scissors to read the Bible. God wants us to read the lines, not between the lines. False Christians will go to Hell:
                              Matthew 7:22
                              Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
                              Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

                              Asking a Christian to prove God exists is like asking him to prove his phone rings because yours doesn't. Make that call yourself! Dial 0800-get-on-your-knees-and-pray.

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