[SalvationSeeker]

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Wouldn't that be a win for you guys since that would mean they'd have the believe in God (and by extension, Jesus) for there to be a Satan?

Yes, without God, there could be no satan.
Anyone with the slightest capacity for logical reasoning realizes that.. but that's just the problem:
Satanists are STUPID.

Somehow, they think satan's existance is possible without God's, and so they see no problem with it at all.
And since you unsaved masses swallow every dumb lie these satanic scientists spew without any critical thinking whatsover..
I'm sure you would believe it too, as long as they say it.

After all, they already got you believing that something can come from nothing, that time=space, that actions/events need no cause,
that our ancestors were monkeys, that the universe is cazillions of years old etc etc etc..
Having you believe that satan could exist without God.. it doesn't seem that far fetched with this in mind.
You'd pretty much believe any theory that spits on God, right? So that would fit perfectly.

[ayerea]

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Yes, without God, there could be no satan.
Anyone with the slightest capacity for logical reasoning realizes that.. but that's just the problem:
Satanists are STUPID.

Somehow, they think satan's existance is possible without God's, and so they see no problem with it at all.
And since you unsaved masses swallow every dumb lie these satanic scientists spew without any critical thinking whatsover..
I'm sure you would believe it too, as long as they say it.

After all, they already got you believing that something can come from nothing, that time=space, that actions/events need no cause,
that our ancestors were monkeys, that the universe is cazillions of years old etc etc etc..
Having you believe that satan could exist without God.. it doesn't seem that far fetched with this in mind.
You'd pretty much believe any theory that spits on God, right? So that would fit perfectly.

Your acting like your doing critical thinking. You follow a very old book that you have no proof is right. dont act like thats critical thinking.
Actually, something cants come from nothing, Matter cannot be destroyed or created, it all has always existed. Just the big bang was all the matter in the universe condensed into a VERY small point and it all exploded. And time is the 4th dimension and is separate from the others as it is not something you can travel through. And the universe is only about 12 billion years old if i remember right.
And i believe in theories that make sense to me. and science has proven itself to be more right then the bible countless times. We have absolute proof that the world is round. We are NOT the center of the solar system or the universe. I can send you in a rocket out to space and show you that the earth spins around the sun, and that it is round. you can see the whole event with your own eyes (assuming you had the money to go to space).
but regardless. science has proven itself to be very right in the past, so a lot of people believe in it.

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

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Your acting like your doing critical thinking. You follow a very old book that you have no proof is right. dont act like thats critical thinking.
Actually, something cants come from nothing, Matter cannot be destroyed or created, it all has always existed. Just the big bang was all the matter in the universe condensed into a VERY small point and it all exploded. And time is the 4th dimension and is separate from the others as it is not something you can travel through. And the universe is only about 12 billion years old if i remember right.
And i believe in theories that make sense to me. and science has proven itself to be more right then the bible countless times. We have absolute proof that the world is round. We are NOT the center of the solar system or the universe. I can send you in a rocket out to space and show you that the earth spins around the sun, and that it is round. you can see the whole event with your own eyes (assuming you had the money to go to space).
but regardless. science has proven itself to be very right in the past, so a lot of people believe in it.

WOW! I didn't think LSD was popular anymore.

[SalvationSeeker]

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Your acting like your doing critical thinking. You follow a very old book that you have no proof is right. dont act like thats critical thinking.
Actually, something cants come from nothing, Matter cannot be destroyed or created, it all has always existed. Just the big bang was all the matter in the universe condensed into a VERY small point and it all exploded.

And that happened how? What external force compressed the universe like that?
Or was it "black holes" that did it?

BTW Scientists nowadays believe in the Big Rip theory, and not the "collapsing universe" theory.. (And they cannot be combined.)
What was that you said about science being right?
They change their theories ALL THE TIME which would indicate that they're pretty much always wrong.
After all, you make "progress" in science by proving current theories false, either in part, or completely.

This would mean that 100% of all previous theories was incorrect..
What are the chances then, that the current ones are correct?
It's arrogant beyond belief to think that NOW they must be right.

It seems that the more them scientists take God out of the equation, the more the sinful masses are inclined to believe their BS!
Fools. You believe them because they tell you what YOU WANT TO HEAR.

And time is the 4th dimension and is separate from the others as it is not something you can travel through.

A fourth dimension? Time is nothing but a way to measure the rate of change!
We base our common notions of time around the movement of the sun (the earth doesn't move, it only appears to do) but one can also base it on things such as radioactive decay.

My point = Without time, there is no change. Without change = No big bang possible. (or ANY change for that matter)
You do a good job contradicting yourself with your silly and impossible theories.
You've obviously only read the basics of those crap theories somewhere and swallowed it right away, without actually understanding them.

What I explained here also supports the Bible as it says that God is eternal and timeless, and that He does not change. (Which would indicate timelessness.)
Praise!

And i believe in theories that make sense to me.

Pastor Pistle is right.. That's because of the LSD you're so obviously abusing.

and science has proven itself to be more right then the bible countless times.

Name a single one.

We have absolute proof that the world is round.

We don't believe that the world is flat either, we know it looks more like a cube.. (Since the Bible says it has corners.)
Pastor Pistle explained this very good before, that the earth WAS flat until the flood, but all that water had to go somewhere, and it went into the earth, and puffed it up:
And eventually (unless Jesus destroys this earth first), it will be flat again.

We are NOT the center of the solar system or the universe. I can send you in a rocket out to space and show you that the earth spins around the sun, and that it is round.

How do you know that it doesn't just appear so?
When the sun moves, wouldn't that appear as if the earth moves?:
A kind of "The earth is in a different position in relation to sun, therefore the eart must have moved" notion..
How do you know it wasn't the earth that moved, but the sun?
You don't. You only believe you know.

you can see the whole event with your own eyes (assuming you had the money to go to space).

You know this for a fact? Have YOU ever been to space?
If not, then you don't know. But only BELIEVE.

but regardless. science has proven itself to be very right in the past, so a lot of people believe in it.

Sure it has..
Every theory ever held before todays theories by scientists are now regarded as untrue, so what would that be:
That science has so far been wrong 9999 out of 10000 cases?
Great odds for being right there.


The Word of God however, has NEVER been proven wrong, and never change.
Just like God Himself.
Praise Jesus!

[Brother Temperance]

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And i believe in theories that make sense to me.

Friend, where is your faith? What's the good of only believing in things that make sense? Parts of GOD'S WORD make no sense at all to me, but that doesn't stop me beliving them.

but regardless. science has proven itself to be very right in the past, so a lot of people believe in it.

Science has also proven itself to be very wrong in the past. The Holy Bible never changes.

[ayerea]

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Of coarse science can be wrong. Science is coming up with a question, forming a hypothesis, testing to see if this hypothesis is true, looking at data, changing the test to see if any different results come out, and if your original hypothesis turns out to be wrong you modify it to fit the data. Then you test again to prove your revised hypothesis again. You learned the scientific process in grade school people, you know the difference between a theory and proven fact.
Also, science has been right. Look at when the entire world listened to the bible (well the Europeans at least). We had THE DARK AGES! Before the bible there was intelligence and actual thought, then it comes around, and poof the dark ages. then when people start to think again and not listen to the bible. here comes the modern age, electricity, TVs, Cars, Computers, phones, space travel, internet, big buildings, the Atomic bomb, airplanes...the list goes on and on and on. just about every single movement forward for the human race has occurred before the bible, or after people stopped caring about it.

[Sister Noddy]

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Of coarse science can be wrong. Science is coming up with a question, forming a hypothesis, testing to see if this hypothesis is true, looking at data, changing the test to see if any different results come out, and if your original hypothesis turns out to be wrong you modify it to fit the data. Then you test again to prove your revised hypothesis again. You learned the scientific process in grade school people, you know the difference between a theory and proven fact.
Also, science has been right. Look at when the entire world listened to the bible (well the Europeans at least). We had THE DARK AGES! Before the bible there was intelligence and actual thought, then it comes around, and poof the dark ages. then when people start to think again and not listen to the bible. here comes the modern age, electricity, TVs, Cars, Computers, phones, space travel, internet, big buildings, the Atomic bomb, airplanes...the list goes on and on and on. just about every single movement forward for the human race has occurred before the bible, or after people stopped caring about it.

Fundamentalist literalist belief in the Bible discourages free critical inquiry, original thought, and progress. Belief in the Bible or any religion is a belief, and beliefs are not facts.

Science theory is not 'theory' in the casual use of the word. Science looks at the evidence and when there is enough, an hypothesis is set up, supported by numerous scientific proven facts.

Therefore a science theory already has so much proof to back it up that it is not likely to be discarded.

On the other hand, from the faith-based perspective, Bible literalists look for so-called 'science facts' to support the Biblical stories; they try to make already established science fit their religious beliefs; this is not science, this is the direct opposite of real scientific method.

[Bobby-Joe]

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Fundamentalist literalist belief in the Bible discourages free critical inquiry, original thought, and progress. Belief in the Bible or any religion is a belief, and beliefs are not facts.

Science theory is not 'theory' in the casual use of the word. Science looks at the evidence and when there is enough, an hypothesis is set up, supported by numerous scientific proven facts.

Therefore a science theory already has so much proof to back it up that it is not likely to be discarded.

On the other hand, from the faith-based perspective, Bible literalists look for so-called 'science facts' to support the Biblical stories; they try to make already established science fit their religious beliefs; this is not science, this is the direct opposite of real scientific method.

That is a curious answer Minister Noddy; Jesus has already told us what the answers are. Clearly all that is needed is to develop the correct method to get all ready known results. I mean a result different form what God told just shows the method is messed up.

[Sister Noddy]

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That is a curious answer Minister Noddy; Jesus has already told us what the answers are. Clearly all that is needed is to develop the correct method to get all ready known results. I mean a result different form what God told just shows the method is messed up.

Bobby-Joe, you are well-meaning, but you already know where I stand on the issue of science and religion ...

Science and religion aren't the same thing, and I don't accept 'creation science' ... I accept real science and scientific method as fact, and the Bible as God's poetry ...

[SalvationSeeker]

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Of coarse science can be wrong. Science is coming up with a question, forming a hypothesis, testing to see if this hypothesis is true, looking at data, changing the test to see if any different results come out, and if your original hypothesis turns out to be wrong you modify it to fit the data. Then you test again to prove your revised hypothesis again. You learned the scientific process in grade school people, you know the difference between a theory and proven fact.

Yes, I know the difference.
And that's how I can say that they have no REAL proof whatsoever, they have OBSERVATIONS, but observations must be interpretated:
And then the opinon of the interpretator matters.. ALOT.
And needless to say, most scientists are atheists.

You trust biased people in regards of your ultimate fate, very unwise indeed.

Also, science has been right. Look at when the entire world listened to the bible (well the Europeans at least). We had THE DARK AGES!

The dark ages are somewhere from 450 to 1000..
Are you saying that people stopped listening to the Bible back in 1000??

Before the bible there was intelligence and actual thought, then it comes around, and poof the dark ages.

Right..
I think you really need a history lesson if you call the antiquity intelligent and thinking!
It's obvious that you hate Christianity and have listened to some wiccan faggot nonsense about the antiquity being some kind of "enlightened" times..

then when people start to think again and not listen to the bible. here comes the modern age, electricity, TVs, Cars, Computers, phones, space travel, internet, big buildings, the Atomic bomb, airplanes...the list goes on and on and on. just about every single movement forward for the human race has occurred before the bible, or after people stopped caring about it.

Nonsense once again.
You must be some kind of dumb wiccan, as they're the only ones who actually believe such BS.
I suggest that you pick up a history book, fool.

Fundamentalist literalist belief in the Bible discourages free critical inquiry, original thought,

Are you saying that being an atheistic liberal is original??
Today: being a True Christian is the most unique and individualistic thing you can ever be!

and progress.

Define progress..

Science theory is not 'theory' in the casual use of the word. Science looks at the evidence and when there is enough, an hypothesis is set up, supported by numerous scientific proven facts.

That would have been great, IF IT WAS TRUE.
But the problem is, not a single theory ever produced follows that method:
They never have clear evidence, but they interpret observations according to their own personal beliefs.
And usually, theory comes BEFORE observation, and then they interpret any observations to fit said theory.

Here's a great example of the blind belief and circular reasoning of "scientists".. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age#Vulcanism

But 70% of Earth's surface is covered by sea, and the theory of plate tectonics predicts that all of the Earth's oceanic crust is completely replaced about every 200 million years. Hence it is impossible to find evidence of submarine flood basalts or other extremely large undersea volcanic events more than 200 million years old, and evidence of more recent extremely large undersea volcanic events may already have been erased. In other words, our failure to find evidence of other extremely large volcanic events does not prove that they did not happen.

In short they say: "We have no evidence for the theory whatsoever, but that doesn't say anything, it's still 100% true cause it says it is!"
They actually draw conclusions from their theory, instead of drawing conclusions from the observations!
First they create a theory and then reality will simply have to "adapt" to it.

Yeah.. Science is really proof-based, isn't it?

Therefore a science theory already has so much proof to back it up that it is not likely to be discarded.

Right.. No science theory has even been discarded..
More theores has been discarded than currently exists, FAR more of them.
Anyone who knows jack about science would know that.

On the other hand, from the faith-based perspective, Bible literalists look for so-called 'science facts' to support the Biblical stories; they try to make already established science fit their religious beliefs; this is not science, this is the direct opposite of real scientific method.

It is? How so? If a "scientific fact" proves something Biblical, JUST HOW ARE WE WRONG TO POINT THAT OUT?

Do you consider it wrong looking for proof of a belief (ie theory) when it's about God?
It's obvious you hate God, and the idea thereof. You're not even a believer at all, are you?
Fess up, harlot.

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

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Unfortunately, any such picture will always be fuzzy at best due to a kind of "cosmic forgetfulness."

Their latest insult - now that accuse God of having a bad memory. Well, God doesn't need good memory because He has a thing called the "Book of Life" and these scientists aren't in it.

[Wash O'Hanley]

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If evolution were true that would mean God had lied to us. And if God had lied to us that would mean nothing would exist.

See what I'm saying? The fact that you're on the internet, trying to prove evolution PROVES that it couldn't be true. Starting to rethink your stupid beliefs now, sinners?

[Sister Noddy]

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If evolution were true that would mean God had lied to us. And if God had lied to us that would mean nothing would exist.

See what I'm saying? The fact that you're on the internet, trying to prove evolution PROVES that it couldn't be true. Starting to rethink your stupid beliefs now, sinners?

Yes, evolution is probably true, and no, God didn't lie to us ... nope, don't see what you're saying at all ...

When will the fundies start to see it the way it really is? ...

First, that to be a Christian requires that we follow the teachings of Jesus as found in the New Testament ...

Second, that believing the whole Bible in literal context (Old and New Testaments together without regard to history or chronological time) not only doesn't make sense, but is not necessary to be a Christian and follow God's Word ...

And third, that while the creation account in Genesis is a sacred story that tells us WHAT GOD DID, the advanced modern science and cosmology of today -- outlined with stable hypothesis and backed with proof -- TELLS US HOW HE DID IT, AND HOW LONG IT TOOK ...

[Dr. Ernest C. Ville, D.C.S.]

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Yes, evolution is probably true, and no, God didn't lie to us ... nope, don't see what you're saying at all ...

*Sigh* This'll be fun. Can you back that up with scripture? Put up or shut up, I say!

When will the fundies start to see it the way it really is? ...

When will *you* start to see reality? The Bible is right there in front of you! How hard can it be?

First, that to be a Christian requires that we follow the teachings of Jesus as found in the New Testament ...

And ignore the first half of the Good Book as if it were just a piece of trash useful only as a Mexican's wallpaper?

Second, that believing the whole Bible in literal context (Old and New Testaments together without regard to history or chronological time) not only doesn't make sense, but is not necessary to be a Christian and follow God's Word ...

Can you back this up using the Bible? I thought not. How many times do we have to explain this to you: God is outside of time! He is not constricted by it's bounds! And who are you to say whether something is credible or worth following, compared to God Almighty? Personally I'll trust the Creator before some sort of episcopaleion.

And third, that while the creation account in Genesis is a sacred story that tells us WHAT GOD DID, the advanced modern science and cosmology of today -- outlined with stable hypothesis and backed with proof -- TELLS US HOW HE DID IT, AND HOW LONG IT TOOK ...

God *told* us how He did it. He spoke everything into existence, then breathed the Breath of Life into Adam. Honestly, did the loony bin let you out too soon?

[Sister Noddy]

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*Sigh* This'll be fun. Can you back that up with scripture? Put up or shut up, I say!


When will *you* start to see reality? The Bible is right there in front of you! How hard can it be?


And ignore the first half of the Good Book as if it were just a piece of trash useful only as a Mexican's wallpaper?


Can you back this up using the Bible? I thought not. How many times do we have to explain this to you: God is outside of time! He is not constricted by it's bounds! And who are you to say whether something is credible or worth following, compared to God Almighty? Personally I'll trust the Creator before some sort of episcopaleion.


God *told* us how He did it. He spoke everything into existence, then breathed the Breath of Life into Adam. Honestly, did the loony bin let you out too soon?

... sigh ... you're impossible ...

... no, science doesn't need to back up with scripture, it's science ... yes, the Bible is right here in front of me, and I believe both science (fact) and scripture (poetic metaphor from God) at the same time ... yes all the Bible is valid but shouldn't be taken literally (am not gonna bother explaining this again) ...

... sigh ...