[James Dewitt]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

Because if I were to glorify him now, it would be hollow. I really am not sure what I feel in my heart, so I have decided to come to a forum of about the most devout Christians I have ever met to see if it awakens anything in me. Sadly, faith is not something which can be forced.

If you are looking for answers they are found in Gods words, The Bible KJV1611. Why not try reading it before you question our Faith. It seems that it is you who needs to read, follow and live the way God has told us too. Its your eternal soul we are trying to save the least you could do is help us. Jesus is waiting!

[BelieverInGod]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

Because then can and would use them for balance and swimming. Just not to a degree losing it is a big deal.

Though this role has been reduced. Dog breeds are very recent in the overall scheme of things. They simply have not had the time or necessity to lose them.

Okay smart guy, want to tell me how a Rottweiler, Boxer or any other

DOCKED BREED

Uses their tail in any way?

That's what my question is! If tails go away because their not being used, then why do these breeds (some have been docked for thousands of years) still have tails?

Sheesh, quit dodging the question.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

Someone asked about dog breeds. I'm a vet student, so know a fair amount on the matter.

Want to let us know where you'll be practicing? I don't want to take my dogs to someone who doesn't know what a docked breed is. You'll be like that indian fellow in town (dot not feather) who couldn't tell a female cat from a male cat.

What would make you think I hate Jesus? From what I feel I can safely know, he was a man, born about 2000 years ago who preached a message of peace, compassion and love before his teachings got him the attention of the ruling Romans, who crucified him. Anything after that, I am unsure of.

Read your Bible, he wasn't the pot smoking hippie that fluffy churches make him out to be.

[gm jack]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

Okay smart guy, want to tell me how a Rottweiler, Boxer or any other

DOCKED BREED

Uses their tail in any way?

That's what my question is! If tails go away because their not being used, then why do these breeds (some have been docked for thousands of years) still have tails?

Sheesh, quit dodging the question.

Well, seeing as people cut the tails off, there is no use for them. However, as having a tail is therefore neither an advantage or disadvantage, both in natural selection and selection by humans, the breed are not going to experience any genetic change in regards to having a tail. For example, if they neutered any puppies with long tails at birth, the tails would rapidly get shorter as only the genes for shorter tails would survive to the next generations. However, docking is blind to this fact, so therefore, would give no real reason for their tails to be disappearing.

That said, there is a lot of support for banning tail docking (in the UK, it is only allowed for some breeds of working dog) as it does affect their ability to run properly (can't balance as well cornering without a tail).

And thousands or years is unlikely to have been long enough for such a major change. Again, it's possibility therefore becomes nigh on impossible with your world view.


And BelieverinGod, if you read, I said I am a student, so therefore not practicing. What made you think I would not know what a docked breed is? Also, I'm at Cambridge University at the moment, to answer your question.

[James Dewitt]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

And thousands or years is unlikely to have been long enough for such a major change. Again, it's possibility therefore becomes nigh on impossible with your world view.

But 6,000 years is enough to change monkeys to men, yea right. Say Do you want to buy a bridge, there is a great one for sale in San Francisco?

[gm jack]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

But 6,000 years is enough to change monkeys to men, yea right. Say Do you want to buy a bridge, there is a great one for sale in San Francisco?

Radiometric dating indicates that the world is in the order of billions of year old, and tests on fossils suggest that our species has existed for 200,000 years, let alone our ancestors.

As I said before, evolution is something which probability dictates will happen. The time frame available for it to happen is where it either has time to manifest itself to a great or negligible degree.

[James Dewitt]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

Radiometric dating indicates that the world is in the order of billions of year old, and tests on fossils suggest that our species has existed for 200,000 years, let alone our ancestors.

As I said before, evolution is something which probability dictates will happen. The time frame available for it to happen is where it either has time to manifest itself to a great or negligible degree.

You don't know jack, Jack. The age of the earth when analysed be people way way smarter the you are shows the earth to be a touch over 6,000 years. If you do not like that contact God and take it up with HIM.

[gm jack]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

You don't know jack, Jack. The age of the earth when analysed be people way way smarter the you are shows the earth to be a touch over 6,000 years. If you do not like that contact God and take it up with HIM.

If the most evil thing Satan can do is alter the isotope levels in some rocks, he really needs to step up his game.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

If the most evil thing Satan can do is alter the isotope levels in some rocks, he really needs to step up his game.

The most evil thing Satan can do is make you believe he doesn't exist.

Only complete and utter retards believe the world is over 6,000 years old. What else do you believe in Jack - fairies, leprechauns, flying saucers, magic rings? How can you believe the ridiculous claims made-up by these "scientists" for the sole purpose of damning as many people as possible?

http://www.missiontoamerica.org/genesis/six-thousand-years.html

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c012.html

http://www.gotquestions.org/earth-age.html

http://www.presentruth.com/2009/05/the-earth-only-6000-years-old-perhaps-more-clear-now-than-before/

[gm jack]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

None of those sources is by any means close to free of biblical bias (i.e. they set out to prove the Bible true, often citing it in the process) or have some stupid errors. For example, plater tectonics refute many of the points in the second link.

They set out the evidence that supports their view, rather than all the evidence available and then drawing conclusions.

[Thangel]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

You are really stupid if you believe we came from monkeys.

[gm jack]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

Of course we didn't come from monkeys. Most likely, we have a common ancestor.

[Thangel]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

We split from their species and changed in 6000 years? How incredibly unlikely.

[gm jack]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

We split from their species and changed in 6000 years? How incredibly unlikely.

How incredibly unlikely that one book written several thousand years ago triumphs over the works of men since then. that and they seemed to be under the impression every animal lived within walking distance of Noah's Ark.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

Well, seeing as people cut the tails off, there is no use for them. However, as having a tail is therefore neither an advantage or disadvantage, both in natural selection and selection by humans, the breed are not going to experience any genetic change in regards to having a tail. For example, if they neutered any puppies with long tails at birth, the tails would rapidly get shorter as only the genes for shorter tails would survive to the next generations. However, docking is blind to this fact, so therefore, would give no real reason for their tails to be disappearing.

So now you're backing up. You say that we lost our tails because we didn't need them, but docked dogs (who obviously don't use their tails) are different because we manually dock them?

That said, there is a lot of support for banning tail docking (in the UK, it is only allowed for some breeds of working dog) as it does affect their ability to run properly (can't balance as well cornering without a tail).

Huh, my dogs do just fine. There's a reason behind docking, just because you liebrals think it's mean, doesn't make it so. Just like milking a cow isn't rape.

Tell these dogs that they can't balance well or run properly.

And thousands or years is unlikely to have been long enough for such a major change. Again, it's possibility therefore becomes nigh on impossible with your world view.

A dogs "generation" is about 2 years. A humans is 20 (give or take). So 2,000+ years of dog breeding would equal 20,000 year of humans. Since the world is only 6,000 years old, your story doesn't make sense.

Anyway, we can create a new breed that breeds true within 7 generations, so are you really sure you're a vet?

And BelieverinGod, if you read, I said I am a student, so therefore not practicing. What made you think I would not know what a docked breed is? Also, I'm at Cambridge University at the moment, to answer your question.

Maybe you should consider transferring to Accounting, because you're not going to make a good vet. Not if some farm girl knows more than you do about animals.