[gm jack]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

No, nobody has "seen" these things. They CLAIM to and give no evidence.

A scientific paper that offers no evidence will be laughed out.

No, but they certainly enjoy talking out of their ass as if they did

Some of us do have a decent understanding of most things. However, we don't have access to resources that have years long waiting lists for experts in the subject.

When I look through a kaleidoscope, I see a bunch of things that don't exist. What's the difference?

A kaleidoscope is a tube of mirrors designed to make a series of beads etc look pretty weird. A microscope is a series of lenses designed to magnify what is actually there.

Wrong, poison kills you because God lets it. That's why Jesus promises that Christians can drink poison and not die

Can we put that to the test?

Oh well when you say the exact same thing that has been said by every eviloutionist that has shown up yeah that's convincing.

So why is it wrong?

I'll give gm Jack one thing, at least he tried to answer my dog tail question. He's wrong of course and tried to turn it into a liebral PETA cause, but at least he tried. The reason docked breeds are born with tails is because God wants them to be. That's why in Brittanys when you breed two that God docked you still get puppies with tails.

PETA are a load of morons who have no idea what they are doing, and kill more animals than they save. Their advertising budget is several times that of that they use to actually help animals.

Docked breeds do not always have their tails docked. A vet (or in some counties the breeder) cuts them off. There is no genetic change, so therefore, no change is the offspring. It's like saying because a man and a woman shave their hair off (for sake of argument), the baby will also be bald. Humans are changing the animals beyond how they would normally develop, so these changes are not reflected in the next generation. In fact, better idea - circumcision. In both cases, you are chopping off part of the body at birth. In certain populations, such as the Jewish and Americans, almost everybody has the procedure, but everyone is still born with it. Just because it is there does not stop the body retaining the genetic material for how to make it.

Still think he's going to make the second worst vet out there (well maybe the worst, can he tell a boy cat from a girl cat?) but meh.

Because you feel that chopping a dog's tail off means the next generation should not have a tail as well?

[BelieverInGod]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

**sigh**

Some breeds do have naturally docked tails.

http://www.dogforums.com/2-general-dog-forum/34105-naturally-docked-tails.html

I breed Brittanys and Rottweilers, some Brittanys have naturally docked tails, however if you breed two naturally docked dogs together, most of the puppies will still have tails.

The only reason I can see for that is that God wants us to dock some. Maybe it's a sign, a lot of hunters believe that the naturally docked dog is not as good a hunter as a human docked dog.

I will admit I have never seen a Rottweiler born without a tail though.

Because you feel that chopping a dog's tail off means the next generation should not have a tail as well?

No it was my question to people who said that we don't have tails because we stopped using them. Docked dogs don't have tails, therefore they don't use them. According to evilutionists their tails should then go away.

I don't believe that stuff. I believe God made dogs with tails, and we dock for our own reasons. So I DO expect my puppies to be born with tails.

[James Dewitt]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

OK Jack we have played long enough, Its time to take a stand do you Love Jesus? If the answer is no move on!

[Meek and Humble]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

A scientific paper that offers no evidence will be laughed out.

Is that so?

http://www.regrettheerror.com/2009/06/22/journal-editor-resigns-over-hoax-article/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair

Some of us do have a decent understanding of most things. However, we don't have access to resources that have years long waiting lists for experts in the subject

.

How convenient.

A kaleidoscope is a tube of mirrors designed to make a series of beads etc look pretty weird. A microscope is a series of lenses designed to magnify what is actually there.

Why should I believe that?

Can we put that to the test?

Every Sunday, after the snake-handling

[gm jack]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

**sigh**

Some breeds do have naturally docked tails.

http://www.dogforums.com/2-general-dog-forum/34105-naturally-docked-tails.html

I breed Brittanys and Rottweilers, some Brittanys have naturally docked tails, however if you breed two naturally docked dogs together, most of the puppies will still have tails.

The only reason I can see for that is that God wants us to dock some. Maybe it's a sign, a lot of hunters believe that the naturally docked dog is not as good a hunter as a human docked dog.

I will admit I have never seen a Rottweiler born without a tail though.


No it was my question to people who said that we don't have tails because we stopped using them. Docked dogs don't have tails, therefore they don't use them. According to evilutionists their tails should then go away.

I don't believe that stuff. I believe God made dogs with tails, and we dock for our own reasons. So I DO expect my puppies to be born with tails.

Firstly, dogs normally would use their tails. It works as a counter balance when running (watch some videos of a cheetah running, when they corner, their tails get pushed out to help balance them) and as communication within what would normally be a pack. For example, a dog holding its tail between its legs in a confrontation is showing it is being submissive, and does not want to fight. Without tails in a pack, they could easily get attacked if the dominant male does not see they are being submissive.

As the link you quotes says, since people have stopped breeding for shorter tails, there is no pressure for them to born with short tails. Now, the naturally short tailed breeds are there because people only bred from the original mutants with short tails, so there genes for such are passed to the next generation, so they also have short tails. It depends if they have the short tails because they have been bred for it or because somebody chopped it off.

Humans lost their tails because the shorter the tail was, the more likely they were to survive, so pass the genes for short tails to their kids. If we didn't dock tails, and simply used those with the shortest tails for breeding, they would have naturally docked tails eventually. However, when you dock a tail, you are not removing the genetic information for how to make a tail going to the offspring.

Though to be a bit pedantic, natural selection does not apply to dogs, or any domestic animals really. We look after them and chose which ones to breed from, which is artificial selection. Note that this means that some traits that could reduce their ability to survive can be selected for.

For example, in the sheep herd I am working for at the moment, one of the breeds they use has a high tendency for the eyelids to be folded in on birth. Now, in captivity in a fairly high intensity herd, this can be treated in second by a person unfolding the eyelids. However, if left, it can cause them to lose their eyes. Over time, in selecting the tups (male sheep) to breed from, they have mostly focused on size, hardiness and muscle distribution. As they are a breed that has always required high human input to make profitable, the eyelid flipping has not stopped people choosing tups that were born with the deformity, if they have high muscle instead.

TL;DR Traits which could diminish the ability to survive in the wild can remain in captive populations as most captive animals have very little reason to get killed or fail to find sufficient food.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

...TL;DR...

Indeed...

[JelloBarf]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

First of all we did not come from monkeys we came from APES.
we share 98.8% of the genetic makeup as Chimpanzees. The reason chimps havent evolved is because they dont need to. their environment hasnt changed drastically enough for them to aquire new adaptations.
second you DO have a tail, its a very small bone at the end of our spines.
our tails disappeared because we no longer need them since we no longer live in tree tops.

Biology 101

[Wide-Open]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

First of all we did not come from monkeys we came from APES.
we share 98.8% of the genetic makeup as Chimpanzees.

Oh puh-lease!

If you would have said primates, you would have known "101" about your false religion. Apparently, you don't.

We also (again, apparently, according to your so called "science") share quite a few genes with pigs. Does that mean we can constantly walk around (and worse ) in our own poo?

Get a grip.

[GOD=life]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

First of all we did not come from monkeys we came from APES.

Strange, another evilutionist claimed we ARE still apes. And another said we evolved from a common ancestor. So what is it? You guys seem confused.

we share 98.8% of the genetic makeup as Chimpanzees.

Nonsense. Let's see what two Ph.D level scientists have to say:

While many evolutionists proclaim that human DNA is 98% (funny, you were claiming 98.8% -- looks like even evolutionists don't agree with you) identical to chimpanzee DNA, few would lie by idly and allow themselves to receive a transplant using chimpanzee organs. As a matter of fact, American doctors tried using chimp organs in the 1960s, but in all cases the organs were totally unsuitable. The claim of 98% similarity between chimpanzees and humans is not only deceptive and misleading, but also scientifically incorrect. (but that doesn't stop atheists from using it, right?) Today, scientists are finding more and more differences in DNA from humans and chimps. (but hey, don't let mere scientists stop you from your claims about science!) For instance, a 2002 research study proved that human DNA was at least 5% different from chimpanzees—and that number probably will continue to grow as we learn all of the details about human DNA (Britten, 2002).

Quoted from: http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2070

You don't know what you're talking about, friend.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

It has been SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN that humans EVOLVED FROM monkeys. Over the course of MILLIONS OF YEARS.

Quite impossible. If we were monkeys at the beginning, there would be no written records becasue monkeys don't write. Therefore it would all be guesswork.

However, we DO have a written record and it's The Bible KJV1611 and that says we didn't come from monkeys.

[Aformerbaptist]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

"Wrong, poison kills you because God lets it. That's why Jesus promises that Christians can drink poison and not die "

hahahah oh man i seriously cant believe someone put this. im SO certain that if one of my Christian friends drank potassium cyanide, they would go through the same poison effects as an atheist because cyanide is a strong inhibitor of cellular respiration and blocking the cell's ability to perform oxidation phosphorylation. in case you don't know what that is, its the ability that cells have to produce ATP or in short "cell energy." jesus i doubt could save your cells from "starving to death"

[BelieverInGod]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

"Wrong, poison kills you because God lets it. That's why Jesus promises that Christians can drink poison and not die "

hahahah oh man i seriously cant believe someone put this. im SO certain that if one of my Christian friends drank potassium cyanide, they would go through the same poison effects as an atheist because cyanide is a strong inhibitor of cellular respiration and blocking the cell's ability to perform oxidation phosphorylation. in case you don't know what that is, its the ability that cells have to produce ATP or in short "cell energy." jesus i doubt could save your cells from "starving to death"

If they do die, it's just proof that they weren't True Christians(tm).

[Aformerbaptist]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

If they do die, it's just proof that they weren't True Christians™.

you aren't serious...

[BelieverInGod]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

you aren't serious...

Mark 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

[Aformerbaptist]

Re: If we came from monkeys, why don't we have tails?

Mark 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

right...take KCN and see what happens