[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

could u please argue my other point please?

Like why a captain would be dumb enough to sail off the edge of the earth in this day and age. and a helicopter was conveniently in place to capture the whole event with that beautiful photograph taken from off of the earth?

and in the first photo why would people just conveniently park their cars RIGHT next to the edge of the planet lol???? wouldnt that be a safety hazard. and where is this place

First of all, this is NOT a debate forum. Please read THIS thread before making an even bigger fool of yourself.

Secondly, while the internets might seem to be "free" to you, this particular corner of the internets is a privately owned Christian forum. The rights you have on this forum are listed HERE. Please contact a Pastor immediately if you feel that any of your rights have been violated.

Finally, your unsaved opinions or tantrums are not even slightly of interest to us. We follow the Holy Word of God TO THE LETTER, and make no apologies for that. One of the most important commandments in the Bible tells us to avoid unsaved scum such as yourself. You wandered in here uninvited, and unwelcome .


Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

And if you're here to flame us, better take a look at THIS before making an even bigger ass out of yourself.

I will pray that the Holy Spirit enter you and chase the demons out of your rectum and let Jesus fill you with His Grace. If you use your God-given free will to reject Christ and His temporary death on the cross for my sins, then you are sending yourself to hellfire.

[live_on_lies]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

theres no time to figth lord told me "dont figth theres to many kids out there...waiting for urs holy dicks on theyrs asses"

srrry cant belive words that came from pedophiles,violent ppl and with erticlly closed minds that every answer is god did it or bible say it.

pd:i love god just like i love pikachu

[Brother Alex]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

srrry cant belive words that came from pedophiles,violent ppl

I'm sorry, pal, but you're confusing us with the cathlicks. We're not Mary-worshiping pedophiles, we're Christian Baptists. Get your facts straight.

[Brother Harold Porter]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

theres no time to figth lord told me "dont figth theres to many kids out there...waiting for urs holy dicks on theyrs asses"

srrry cant belive words that came from pedophiles,violent ppl and with erticlly closed minds that every answer is god did it or bible say it.

pd:i love god just like i love pikachu

Sniffing glue is not the path to salvation, my friend. Do you want to join us in Heaven or are you just here to mock your Savior and spit in his eye?

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6 - KJV

Yours in Christ.

[Jacob the Angry Liar]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

theres no time to figth lord told me "dont figth theres to many kids out there...waiting for urs holy dicks on theyrs asses"

srrry cant belive words that came from pedophiles,violent ppl and with erticlly closed minds that every answer is god did it or bible say it.

pd:i love god just like i love pikachu

Ye shall offer no strange incense thereon, nor burnt sacrifice, nor meat offering; neither shall ye pour drink offering thereon. (Exodus 30:9)

I think you should stop using marihuana. It's bad for the health!

[TheDrunkenScot]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

I have noticed several debates on this particular subject here. To all you godless atheists out there, let's settle this once and for all...

In the modern world it has become a widely spread lie that the earth is round. Of course, this is impossible. If the earth is round, then why don't people just fall off at the bottom?

The answer is simple: The Earth is not round!

Now, if we take a look at some scripture, it clearly tells us the earth is not round but flat:

Jeremiah 16:19:
O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.

According to Jeremiah 16:19, the earth has ends. There is no way a spherical earth could have ends, and therefore the earth must be flat. The Book of Revelation tells a similar story:

Revelation 7:1:
And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

A spherical earth cannot have corners, it is scientifically impossible. The only logical explanation is that the earth is flat. Checkmate atheists!

Isaiah 40:22:
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

What Isaiah actually describes here is as follows (note: this is a link to a video where a True Christian Scientist™ debunks a false Christian interpretation of this passage):



The following image is taken from a creation science book. According to real scientists, this is how the universe really looks like:



Here we see how the planets, the sun and the moon revolve around the flat earth:



Now, if you still don't believe these scientific facts, here are some real photographs taken at the ends of the earth:









As you can see, this is a solid proof the Earth is flat. Why else would it have edges like these? ...because the earth is flat! That's why.

YIC,
Alex

I'm going to address all your points in the order you've written them, Alex.

"In the modern world it has become a widely spread lie that the earth is round. Of course, this is impossible. If the earth is round, then why don't people just fall off at the bottom?"

"The bottom" is an abstract concept - gravity is the exertion of force generated by mass towards the centre of the gravitational object. "The bottom" does not exist in the way you're describing it. There is only the centre of the (roughly, but not perfectly) spherical Earth. The super-dense core creates enough gravitational force to keep everything in check, as it were.

I also, having studied the original Hebraic versions of the Bible, believe your translation of Jeremiah 16:19 is incorrect - as with any non-Latin based language, the translation is difficult, but it more closely translates to this:
Lord, you are my strength and fortress,
my refuge in the day of trouble!
Nations from around the world
will come to you and say,
“Our ancestors left us a foolish heritage,
for they worshiped worthless idols.
than the King James' Bible version you quoted, which has been shown by many Christian Hebraic scholars to be a rather poor translation. And even if your translation were perfect, the "four corners of the earth" section of the text would appear to imply that the Earth is a square, since a disc has no corners. It should also be noted that the reference to four corners does not imply that the writers of these texts believed that the Earth was flat (although they may well have done). Indeed, it suggests more that the four corners were the four compass points - compass points reliant on the electromagnetic nature of the two poles at the opposite ends of our planet's rotational axis.

I also find fault with your description of Christian scientists as "real scientists" odd - science is about methodical, scientific enquiry, whether your results prove or disprove your hypothesis: are the only "real" scientists the ones who you agree with? If so, why not just do away with science entirely and go by your word?

As for your "real photos at the end of the world" - one is a photoshopped advert for a travel company (and explicitly states so), the second is a painting which, if actually true, appears to have somehow been taken from off the "edge" of the world itself, and the last two are photoshopped and, again, somehow the "photographer" has managed to float off the "edge" of your disc-world.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

"The bottom" is an abstract concept - gravity is the exertion of force generated by mass towards the centre of the gravitational object. "The bottom" does not exist in the way you're describing it. There is only the centre of the (roughly, but not perfectly) spherical Earth. The super-dense core creates enough gravitational force to keep everything in check, as it were.

Then why do they write on those boxes "This side up"? From whence does a pineapple upside down cake get its name? You say "bottom" is an abstract concept. Then is it a coincidence that a person's "bottom" is always on the same end of their body? Is it?

I also, having studied the original Hebraic versions of the Bible, believe your translation of Jeremiah 16:19 is incorrect - as with any non-Latin based language, the translation is difficult, but it more closely translates to this:
Lord, you are my strength and fortress,
my refuge in the day of trouble!
Nations from around the world
will come to you and say,
“Our ancestors left us a foolish heritage,
for they worshiped worthless idols.
than the King James' Bible version you quoted, which has been shown by many Christian Hebraic scholars to be a rather poor translation. And even if your translation were perfect, the "four corners of the earth" section of the text would appear to imply that the Earth is a square, since a disc has no corners. It should also be noted that the reference to four corners does not imply that the writers of these texts believed that the Earth was flat (although they may well have done). Indeed, it suggests more that the four corners were the four compass points - compass points reliant on the electromagnetic nature of the two poles at the opposite ends of our planet's rotational axis.

The KJV1611 is God's Holy Word. The translation itself is inspired by God. So any complaints you have about the KJV1611 you need to take up with God.

Also, the four compass points aren't really places. So how could they be corners?

I also find fault with your description of Christian scientists as "real scientists" odd - science is about methodical, scientific enquiry, whether your results prove or disprove your hypothesis: are the only "real" scientists the ones who you agree with? If so, why not just do away with science entirely and go by your word?

I suppose the only true scientists are the one's you agree with then? Science is science. Who are you to say our scientists aren't as good as yours?

As for your "real photos at the end of the world" - one is a photoshopped advert for a travel company (and explicitly states so), the second is a painting which, if actually true, appears to have somehow been taken from off the "edge" of the world itself, and the last two are photoshopped and, again, somehow the "photographer" has managed to float off the "edge" of your disc-world.

I challenge you to circle one thing in any of those pictures that is there as a result of photoshop. Those photographs are genuine. Brother Alex wouldn't post some crap. He has no reason to. The truth is on his side.

[Ron Hubbard]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Hey Alex,

This is such a good expiation!

I've got a co-salesman at the place where i work and he thinks the earth is round! I've had over 9000 arguments with him about this matter, however he still doesn't believe me. But with these new arguments i'm sure I can convince him.
Thx

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Welcome Ron Hubbard. Please make an introduction here. Where are your manners?

[Steven the jap lover]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

I don't understand.... How could the earth be a sphere?? Wouldn't it just roll around and crush everybody? Just because the government tries to tell you that the earth is round doesn't mean it is! Let's try logic!!! Logic suggests that if we can stand and walk in a straight line, then the world must be FLAT! God + Logic = Everybody wins

[TheDrunkenScot]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Then why do they write on those boxes "This side up"? From whence does a pineapple upside down cake get its name? You say "bottom" is an abstract concept. Then is it a coincidence that a person's "bottom" is always on the same end of their body? Is it?

The KJV1611 is God's Holy Word. The translation itself is inspired by God. So any complaints you have about the KJV1611 you need to take up with God.

Also, the four compass points aren't really places. So how could they be corners?

I suppose the only true scientists are the one's you agree with then? Science is science. Who are you to say our scientists aren't as good as yours?

I challenge you to circle one thing in any of those pictures that is there as a result of photoshop. Those photographs are genuine. Brother Alex wouldn't post some crap. He has no reason to. The truth is on his side.

That's an excellent misrepresentation of my first point, although I suppose I should have made it clearer that when I spoke of "bottom as an abstract concept" I meant within the larger Universe - fly out into the vastness of space, and tell me, where is the "bottom" of the Universe? Whichever "edge" you wish to point to, I need merely flip you 180 degrees (entirely possible in the weightless, zero-gravity vacuum) and your bottom will become the top.

As for the KJV1611 being written by God: I think you'll find it was actually written by the senior theologians of the Church of England, and was started in 1604. So, unless one of those Archbishops was God Himself, it wasn't written by God.

I'm not actually sure what your third point is even trying to say - are you agreeing that there are no "corners" of the Earth? I think you've misunderstood me.

I believe that anyone who creates hypotheses and tests them using rational thought and methodological scientific process is a scientist, regardless of whether I believe they are right or wrong.



I've circled two relatively clear examples of photoshopping in this picture: the tree is too sharply delineated from the "cliff" in the lower circle, and pixellation is evident in the second circle.
Ignoring the painting, which is clearly NOT a photograph, I challenge you to show me exactly where those last two photographs were taken, sir.

[Lisa H]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

That's an excellent misrepresentation of my first point, although I suppose I should have made it clearer that when I spoke of "bottom as an abstract concept" I meant within the larger Universe - fly out into the vastness of space, and tell me, where is the "bottom" of the Universe? Whichever "edge" you wish to point to, I need merely flip you 180 degrees (entirely possible in the weightless, zero-gravity vacuum) and your bottom will become the top.

As for the KJV1611 being written by God: I think you'll find it was actually written by the senior theologians of the Church of England, and was started in 1604. So, unless one of those Archbishops was God Himself, it wasn't written by God.

I'm not actually sure what your third point is even trying to say - are you agreeing that there are no "corners" of the Earth? I think you've misunderstood me.

I believe that anyone who creates hypotheses and tests them using rational thought and methodological scientific process is a scientist, regardless of whether I believe they are right or wrong.


I've circled two relatively clear examples of photoshopping in this picture: the tree is too sharply delineated from the "cliff" in the lower circle, and pixellation is evident in the second circle.
Ignoring the painting, which is clearly NOT a photograph, I challenge you to show me exactly where those last two photographs were taken, sir.

MosesTheRaven worships Stephen Spielberg.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

That's an excellent misrepresentation of my first point, although I suppose I should have made it clearer that when I spoke of "bottom as an abstract concept" I meant within the larger Universe - fly out into the vastness of space, and tell me, where is the "bottom" of the Universe? Whichever "edge" you wish to point to, I need merely flip you 180 degrees (entirely possible in the weightless, zero-gravity vacuum) and your bottom will become the top.

The bottom of the universe is the lowest point of Hell. As far as my bottom becoming my top, that sounds like some weird fantasy you're having, certainly not science.

As for the KJV1611 being written by God: I think you'll find it was actually written by the senior theologians of the Church of England, and was started in 1604. So, unless one of those Archbishops was God Himself, it wasn't written by God.

God was speaking through those theologians and ascertaining that it was His Word in the final draft.

I'm not actually sure what your third point is even trying to say - are you agreeing that there are no "corners" of the Earth? I think you've misunderstood me.

No. I'm saying that the four compass points can't be the four corners, because compass points are not corners. Don't tell me that is complicated to you.

I believe that anyone who creates hypotheses and tests them using rational thought and methodological scientific process is a scientist, regardless of whether I believe they are right or wrong.

Then why are you questioning our scientheists?

I've circled two relatively clear examples of photoshopping in this picture: the tree is too sharply delineated from the "cliff" in the lower circle, and pixellation is evident in the second circle.
Ignoring the painting, which is clearly NOT a photograph, I challenge you to show me exactly where those last two photographs were taken, sir.

I disagree. I do not think those examples are "clear". Also, I am not a geographer and therefore cannot tell you where the pictures were taken. But you can't either so don't be a hypocrite. Of course there is pixellation; you are on a computer!

All this aside, the real issue at hand is a Biblical one. The KJV1611 makes it abundantly clear that the world is flat. Are you calling God a liar? I suppose you are some sort of atheist.

[TheDrunkenScot]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

The bottom of the universe is the lowest point of Hell. As far as my bottom becoming my top, that sounds like some weird fantasy you're having, certainly not science.

God was speaking through those theologians and ascertaining that it was His Word in the final draft.

No. I'm saying that the four compass points can't be the four corners, because compass points are not corners. Don't tell me that is complicated to you.

Then why are you questioning our scientheists?

I disagree. I do not think those examples are "clear". Also, I am not a geographer and therefore cannot tell you where the pictures were taken. But you can't either so don't be a hypocrite. Of course there is pixellation; you are on a computer!

All this aside, the real issue at hand is a Biblical one. The KJV1611 makes it abundantly clear that the world is flat. Are you calling God a liar? I suppose you are some sort of atheist.

Well, if the bottom of the Universe is the lowest point in Hell, please show me where this "Hell" is.

How, exactly, was God "speaking through" them?



Oh look... four compass points, and four corners of the compass star.

I question "scientheists" because I believe they lack a proper application of scientific method.

The burden of proof is on the asserter, my friend. If you cannot tell me where these photos of the edge of the Earth were taken (preferably precise longitude and latitude), then you are failing to put proof behind your assertion of a flat Earth, and therefore your assertion must be ignored until you do give proof.

Oh, and any decent internet browser with optimisation options disabled will remove pixellation from hi-res images such as the one I've pointed out.

[Nobar King]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

I've circled two relatively clear examples of photoshopping in this picture: the tree is too sharply delineated from the "cliff" in the lower circle, and pixellation is evident in the second circle.

You don't think that a tree would grow on a cliff? You must live somewhere really flat.