[MatthiasB]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

You are going to be an STD expert...? How do you plan on becomming that? You do know that fornication is a sin, don't you?

All I know is that my tallywhacker looked funny and that it had unnatural colors and when I accepted Jesus back into my life it started to look normal again. You must understand that correlation always implies causality and therefore the reason that my tallywhacker started to look normal again must be that I became a True Christian™.

I'm studying medicine..
You're temporary 'illness' could have beenan STD you're not sure, and our immune system solves a lot of problems without the intervention of a doctor. That doesn't give the right to assume a medical 'miracle' of disappearing diseases has occured.

Matthias

[James Dewitt]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

I'm studying medicine..
You're temporary 'illness' could have beenan STD you're not sure, and our immune system solves a lot of problems without the intervention of a doctor. That doesn't give the right to assume a medical 'miracle' of disappearing diseases has occured.

Matthias

Jesus heals, have you ever made a blind man see? Illness is caused by DEMONS
THE BLOOD OF JESUS CLEANSES YOU FROM ALL SIN AND GUILT (1 JOHN 1:7). JESUS IS THE DELIVERER!!

"Did you know that (according to Mythology) the symbol of medicine is a staff of Aesculapius. Aesculapius was the god of medicine and healing. He was the son of the god Apollo and a nymph named Coronis. Snakes were sacred to Aesculapius, because it was believed they were able to come back from the dead when they shed their skin. His usual attribute is a club like staff with a serpent coiled around it."

Note - Yes, anyone that is a nurse or doctor or medical profession should CAST OUT these demons. Even if you work in a hospital these demons could be present. The serpent is also associated with depression. Where do people who are depressed usually end up if they are not seeking DELIVERANCE? -- a hospital.
The dental symbol is a triangle in a circle. This same symbol is the highest satanic symbol.
PRESCRIPTIONS
RX is a symbol used on prescriptions written by doctors. It is generally accepted as representing the Latin word "recipe", which means to take. RX is traceable to the sign of Jupiter, which was placed on ancient prescriptions to appeal to that god for favorable action of the compound.
**Note** We are not telling you to stop taking prescriptions. However, if you are having difficulty receiving DELIVERANCE from sickness, you may need to call out the name of the prescription.

[A Follower]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Well my friend,

Since I'm not an expert in the bible, I won't talk about it anymore, since I haven't been in outer space, I won't say the earth is round anymore.
But, since I know something about mathematics and medecine I do want to make some remarks..
You can say that Newton's definition about gravitation is a metaphore, and I cannot dissaprove that. But, his mathematical proofs, they aren't metaphores.. It's like counting how many eggs they are in your refrigerator, 6, that equals 3+3 or 9-3. You can't say that's a metaphore for something else.. So Newtons methematical proofs are correct and that's a fact, not a metaphore and you cannot say that it is wrong unless you're saying that mathematics is wrong and 3+3 isn't 6. And to correct you're statement, Einstein never proved Newton wrong, especially not his methematical proofs. Einstein just improved the theorie so it can be applied on the universe. And you can't say einstein is wrong.. I mean, he kind of invented the nuclear bomb and it's hard to say that no such thing exists..

You are wrong. Newton is wrong. Einstein is wrong. Just because someone uses mathematics doesn't automatically make him right. Yes 3+3 = 6, but saying that doesn't make me have 6 fingers on each hand. When the math doesn't match reality then the math is worthless.

Newton used mathematics to pretend that stars and planets and earth revolve around the sun according to a specific formula, but that formula doesn't account for Mercury, there is no way to explain how Mercury moves along the firmament with Newton's theory. Which obviously proves that Newton never intended his theory as something seriously scientific, it is the metaphor about God sitting above us and smiting us that is important.

Einstein did correct Newton on Mercury with his special relativity theory, but that one is obviously wrong as well, as it doesn't account for the movement of certain dim stars along the firmament, also proof that Einstein is not a serious scientist, but rather a theologian expounding metaphors. The same is true for many of his other theories, like when he said "God doesn't play dice", scientists today say that's wrong too.

And my friend, Medecine.. I don't know if I wrote it correctly but that's doesn't matter doesn't it? What matters is that God can't physically cure you.. I mean, do you study medecine? Have you studied medicine? Our body is a wonderfull thing and is it created by god? I don't know, I wasn't there at the time. Is our body the product of millions of years of evolution? I don't know, I wasn't there, altough if we see what artefacts have been found that lived millions of years, after we saw it through the microscope, after we studied it's DNA and other chemical properties, it seems very likely it is the product of millions of years ago. But how come these creachers existed? Was that God's work? Was it the Big Bang? That I really don't know since I'm not an expert on that matter and I must admit, I just believed the scientists that the Big Bang happened, but I didn't studie it myself. So now I'm opening myself for other ways of thinking and I shall study this matter soon. But that the human body is a product of evolution.. That I have studied and that is a correct fact.

You say time and time again you don't know anything. Then why do you come here to tell us we are wrong, when you have no clue about what's right?

Of course humans aren't made with evolution, and no, you didn't study human evolution either, it doesn't exist so it can't be studied. No scientist has ever turned a monkey into a human, scientists even say they won't do such experiments. Why? Because it would prove them wrong. However many Christians have done extensive study on this "theory of evolution" and kept monkeys separate from other monkeys in an environment fit for humans to see if they would turn into humans. They didn't. Even though all evolution requirements had been met, separation and environmental pressure, but no monkey wanted to evolve.

And, as I said, I don't believe God can cure you physically. Do you really believe God can cure cancer? It's rediculous to denie the power of Medicine and drugs. I don't denie the power that God has on your mental state, but it's not possible God can cure you physically. And maybe I'm wrong saying that since I cannot prove that, but I can prove that chemotherapie can cure cancer.

Again you are wrong, chemotherapy actually makes people very very sick. It is poison. The cure happens when people feel so miserable from the harm you doctors cause that they start praying to God to end their misery.

I can prove that there are many cures for many deseases. Centuries ago, when people believed in God but didn't have the Medical knowhow, millions of people died by disseases we could cure now, thanks to medicine. Why did God didn't cure these people, why couldn't he do the thing I can do now? I'm not saying I'm greater than God, I'm just saying that God is in you, but figuratively. For a doctor, it is really hard to see dead people because of a simple disease and faith. One month ago there were Jehova witnesses in the hospital. Their son had a heart condition and needed to get surgery really urgent but the parents didn't want their son to recieve blood and therefor we couldn't opperate him. In my country, we have quite a good solution for that, doctors can start a quick juridical procedure and can become the legal guardian of that child for one day, so he can give permission for the operation and then the child is given back to the parents and they can't maltreat that child by law.

The parents aren't allowed to abuse their children, but you are? Have you ever thought about what happens when the child dies? The poor baby will go straight to Hell because of your actions, do you as a doctor really believe that it is good for a child to be burned alive for all eternity? Or might it be better for a few days of suffering on earth to be rewarded with everlasting health in Heaven?

But in this case, the doctors weren't fast enough and I find it difficult to say, the young 8 year old boy died.. That kid died because of his parents.. Is this right? We could save that kid and it would have had a great life! It could have had a wilf, child'ren becoma a grandparent and then die when he lived his live. Doctors could have give such a life to that kid, and what was given that child by these parents and their God? Death. And don't say you're a christian and that God wouldn't let you or one of your fellow followers die.. In the whole world, there's only one case of cancer that dissapeared, one case.

Again you are wrong, cancer has disappeared regularly, according to Norwegian doctors 20% of breast cancer cases heal without medical intervention, which just happens to be close to the percentage of Christian Norwegians.

I cannot prove that isn't God's work, but there are far more christians who died because of cancer, especially because of not wanting medical help then this one who is cured.
And as a student of medicine, I had to study the history of medicine. That's not science, it's just history. At first there was only faith, if you're sick you're in God hands, and a disease is a punishment.

How can you say disease is not a punishment? Do adulterers and whores not get STDs? Do homosexuals not get AIDS? Of course they do, while normal people don't get any of those diseases. Adulterers, whores and homosexuals are simply being punished for their unGodly behavior.

Then there were the Greeks, kind of mixed their 'discoveries' with faith. Then, about 2600 years ago, human beings started to make more and more scientifical discoveries. In the beginning they were still mixing this with faith. (even till the 18th century it faith and medicine was mixed up). But Greeks, Romans, they believed in their Gods but they also discovered the power of medicine, they already had drugs back in that time. It isn't impossible Jesus took some drugs (extracts of a plant for example) to cure his diarrhea for example. Is that impossible?
Nowadays, medecine is based on sciene but still has some sort of faith, Hippocrate for example. I mean, you see the progress of a world with only faith (since science didn't exist) than a world with science and faith aqually and now a world with science and a certain rational form of faith. How many people lived 2000 years ago? and now? That's thanks to medecine.

And my friend, to reply on you weird remark stating I'm lying and have never been on the antartic because I'm a student. Being a student means living with my parents. My parents aren't students and have worked a lot and like to travell and I like to go with them. I travalled all over Europe (I live in Europe) and when I was 16 I went to Africa, when I was 17 I went to the antartic (No I didn't have to swim in summertime) and when I was 18 I went to the United States (east coast) wich was really amazing..

Matthias

No, you didn't go to the antarctic. There are no hotels on Antarctica, there are no tourist attractions, there is nothing there. And if it was full of snow and ice you obviously weren't there in the summer, now where you?

p.s. bold for stupidity.

[James Dewitt]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

I'm studying medicine..
You're temporary 'illness' could have beenan STD you're not sure, and our immune system solves a lot of problems without the intervention of a doctor. That doesn't give the right to assume a medical 'miracle' of disappearing diseases has occured.

Matthias

Cancer and all the other sickness are brought on by Demons.
1. Because of sins of the fathers, iniquities and our own sins.
2. As we understand more about the demons we know that sickness and disease is caused by demons. We have a sickness or disease we do DELIVERANCE on it. We then pray for healing and a miracle.
3. If we have done the above and there is no manifestation of healing then we go to the doctor.
4. However, when we first started DELIVERANCE we know that the demons try us to see if we believe, are serious, and to try to make us give up and not understand our authority in the Name of JESUS. When we are just dealing with demons of rejection, fear, etc. we don't necessarily have a manifestation immediately but it seems to be easier to believe that the demons are gone. With sickness we believe that we must have a manifestation or we are not healed.
5. To be successful with healings we must keep on with the DELIVERANCE and maybe even fast. (This kind goes out by prayer and fasting). The demons are trying us and we are not being overcomers because of the physical realm that we are dealing with instead of just the spiritual.
6. For example, we cast out fear. Then the next day we are not afraid. But if the demons come back we just cast it out again. It is just easier to believe. But with the physical we need more faith and patience. I believe we can be overcomers in this area when we fast and pray and cast out the demons. Maybe this is the KIND that comes out by prayer and fasting.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

But then you're only looking from a biblical perspective.

Duh!

2 questions: how do you know the bible is correct? How do you know the bible is the only truth?

Because the Bible says so:

2nd Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"

Psalm 12:6-7 "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever."

[MatthiasB]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Jesus heals, have you ever made a blind man see? Illness is caused by DEMONS
THE BLOOD OF JESUS CLEANSES YOU FROM ALL SIN AND GUILT (1 JOHN 1:7). JESUS IS THE DELIVERER!!

"Did you know that (according to Mythology) the symbol of medicine is a staff of Aesculapius. Aesculapius was the god of medicine and healing. He was the son of the god Apollo and a nymph named Coronis. Snakes were sacred to Aesculapius, because it was believed they were able to come back from the dead when they shed their skin. His usual attribute is a club like staff with a serpent coiled around it."

Note - Yes, anyone that is a nurse or doctor or medical profession should CAST OUT these demons. Even if you work in a hospital these demons could be present. The serpent is also associated with depression. Where do people who are depressed usually end up if they are not seeking DELIVERANCE? -- a hospital.
The dental symbol is a triangle in a circle. This same symbol is the highest satanic symbol.
PRESCRIPTIONS
RX is a symbol used on prescriptions written by doctors. It is generally accepted as representing the Latin word "recipe", which means to take. RX is traceable to the sign of Jupiter, which was placed on ancient prescriptions to appeal to that god for favorable action of the compound.
**Note** We are not telling you to stop taking prescriptions. However, if you are having difficulty receiving DELIVERANCE from sickness, you may need to call out the name of the prescription.

Yes I knew that and in one of my previous posts I mentioned the history of medicine. You should learn more about evolution rather than to stick with the past. You can't compare the medicine of 2000 years ago with now. it has had a scientific evolution.
and my friend, actually in some cases we can make blind people see. there have been cases in which people become blinded (a special light) and after a certain time are able to see again, without intervention. this can be explained by fysiologie. people who have genetic blindness, mostly cant be helped by no one or nothing. Jesus making a blind person see is a metaphore..

Matthias

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Jesus making a blind person see is a metaphore..

A metaphor for what?

[MatthiasB]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Duh!

Because the Bible says so:

2nd Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"

Psalm 12:6-7 "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever."

You can't say the bible is right by saying the bible says so.. thats like saying the holocaust was right because Hitler said so..

Matthias

[James Dewitt]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

A metaphor for what?

What does he know? They still use leaches to heal, when everyone knows all you need is Jesus.

[James Dewitt]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

You can't say the bible is right by saying the bible says so.. thats like saying the holocaust was right because Hitler said so..

Matthias

Is that some kind of crack against Hitler? The Joos just love to blame Hitler for everything. Granted Hitler was a damn Catlik but he did not do anything wrong. The so called holocaust is a lie dreamed up by the Liberal media( all owned by hook nosed Joos) to discredit the Germans.

[Johannes Kirkeholm]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

2 questions: how do you know the bible is correct? How do you know the bible is the only truth?

God is omniscient --> He knows what the Bible says

God is omnipotent --> He can change what the Bible says if it doesn't reflect his opinion.

So if the Bible isn't the exact Word of God then one of the following options must be the case:

1 God isn't omniscient and doesn't know what the Bible says

2 God isn't omnipotent and can't change what the Bible says

3 God is neither omniscient nor omnipotent

4 God is misleading us on purpose for some reason.

5 God doesn't exist

6 God doesn't care about human affairs

You will notice that options 1-6 are idiotic and that the Bible therefore must be the exact Word of God.

[GOD=life]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

You can't say the bible is right by saying the bible says so..

No, the Bible is right because God said so.

2 Timothy 3:16:
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness

thats like saying the holocaust was right because Hitler said so..

No, but we can state as fact that Hitler's view was that the Holocaust was right. That doesn't mean that the Holocaust isn't a hoax, just that Hitler thought it was right.

Similarly, we can state as fact that God's view is that the Bible is right.

[MatthiasB]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

A metaphor for what?

https://WWW.msgr.ca/msgr/reading_the_bible_again_02.htm

Here are all the answers.

Matthias

[MatthiasB]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

[QUOTE=GOD=life;661023]No, the Bible is right because God said so.

2 Timothy 3:16:
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness [\QUOTE]


You're saying the bible is right because God says so but you use the bible to support this. So you're using the bible to prove itself is right.

Matthias

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

WWW.msgr.ca/msgr/reading_the_bible_again_02.htm

Here are all the answers.

Matthias

If by restoring the man's sight He really means showing him the way of Jesus, why do you think God made this story intentionally obscure and confusing? Why didn't He just say what He meant? He is God, so He could have just been clear and said what He meant.

I think God says what He means and means what He says. God does not speak in code. Only men have to be obscure when they can't think of a clear way to say something.