[True Disciple]

Re: The 10 worstly mistaken fields of secular science!

While religion claims that it was created by god (out of nothing? correct mne if I'm wrong)

Correct. Creation Ex Nihilo. In fact, the Big Bang Theory also claims that everything was created from nothing, with the difference that it says that nothing turned itself into everything. This is also why the Big Bang Theory is so ridiculous.

Science says How the big bang occured, what happened in those few microseconds and such, and we have evidence aswell, evidence in the forms of the stars, expansion and all that stuff, I dont know to much about it really, but also evidence in the fact that the universe now exists,

Evidence in the stars? You are entitled to your own opinions, of course, but I think horoscopes are stupid. And besides that, demonic as well:

Isaiah 47:13-14:
Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee. Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it.

and all this stuff is probebly written down in a book somewhere.

You are right:



Very good, friend! You're making progress here!

S R
We exist We exist
Book confirming the above Book confirming the above
theory with evidence to support it

ding ding ding we have a winner!

I can't follow your reasoning at all here. If this is how the Big Bang normally is justified, it only confirms the idiocy of the concept.

This is exactly why science won't accept oppinion from faith, it lacks suitible evidence (if want to talk to a scientist, speak science! why cant we all co-exist in peace? (: )

Well, if you want to go to Heaven, speak Faith!

And as True Christians™, we only accept evidence we can be 100% sure of, in other words, evidence provided by God Himself. This can be found only in the Bible.

lets use the creation of the universe as an example, this are what science has on its side of the argument:

• A theory (big bang, or multiverse stuff if you want your head to explode)
• Books detailing it
• Evidence in the fact that the universe exists, this is also probebly contained in a book somewhere
• Evidence that comes from the repeatable testing of predictions

Now on religions side (please correct me if this isnt religions argument):

• A Reason in that it was created by God (please comment on my lack of the use of the word theory here)
• Evidence in the fact that the universe exists
• A book stating the above

The results are in, science leads religion 4:3

There are so many things wrong with this:

1. Science doesn't trump Faith because you choose to tell four things about science, resulting in four dots, and three things about Faith, resulting in three dots.
2. You keep going on about evidence for the Big Bang, but you haven't provided any so far, apart from astrology.
3. You've omitted the fact that the books in the case of science are written by man, but in the case of Faith, is written by God.
4. You are right in that Biblical Creation in itself is not a theory. But it is not a "reason," it is a Fact™.
5. You give two theories in the part about "science" (big bang and "multiverse stuff"), and only one in the part about Faith.
6. You have also omitted the Fact that in the case of science, there are many different opinions, and it changes every year, while the Bible is internally consistent.

I have no proof that the above is true, nor do you have any proof that it is false, the same can be said about your quote.

What? Of course I do! The difference is that you are quoting a false religious text, secular science or other, and I quoted the Word of God. I did point out that God Himself said to have written the Bible, didn't I?

1. You now already presume God to exist, while this is a point of debate here.

What? Are you saying you are denying the existence of cucumbers as well?

2. You now already presume God is infallible to exist, while this is a point of debate here.

That is simple logic: God has created everything, and this includes right and wrong. "Infallible" means "incapable of making errors." As God created the very concept of right and wrong, nothing He does can be an error, because if God says it isn't an error, it automatically isn't one.

3. You now already presume Heaven to exist, while this is a point of debate here.

Again, all evidence points to the fact that it exists. The Bible is filled with mentions of Heaven, and I already explained why the Bible trumps secular science by definition.

4. The Science does not know everything, we know things now we never did before, like the History of scientific discoveries to date on this planet

Yes. So what?

3. In my first post, science did cover each of the ten subjects aswell, using not my interpretation, but evidence provided by repeatable experiments drawn from theories

And I've explained why that was wrong, didn't I?

I'm sure someone has written a book containing references about video camera's existing back in those days... maybe its not true!

Again, True Science™ proves you wrong:

Titus 1:1-3:
Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness; In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour

Therefore, that story is true!

Yet in your earlier statement, you said your prayer caused the iceland volcanic erruption, which if you look at the ammount of people it mingled with and pissed off, a fair number of those must have been non-christian people right?

"Intermingling" means, at least in the Scripture I quoted, interbreeding with other peoples. I did not do that with the hellbound, blaspheming eskimoes in that thread.

he caught you out there mate haha, better way to put that, that animation is friggin discriminatory towards those pictured in it, now I'm going to say that and walk away, you may respond to it, but I'm not going to tlak about it again

So you accuse us of racism, but won't listen to us defending ourselves against such a slanderous accusation?

Anyway, this picture:
1. just shows a couple of guys being bombed. The idea that specific groups are being pictured there is just a figment of your bigoted, racist imagination.
2. As with all smilies, the meaning of it depends on the way people use it.

Do you have any evidence to confirm this besides the fact it is possible?

Of course! Where else do you think clouds come from?

Now I'm going to sitck my neck out here and post a personal belief that I believe many mirror, If that is true, and the bible prooves that wrong, then those aprts of it do not deserve a place in civilised society
*runs away from the angry people with pitchforks and guns!*

So you want to ban the Bible? How can you still pretend, then, that you aren't trying to persecute us? Why do you hate Jesus?

[Tukasa]

Re: The 10 worstly mistaken fields of secular science!

Correction, not using firefox does not make me smile, it makes me cry :'(

[Tukasa]

Re: The 10 worstly mistaken fields of secular science!

@Tukasa I think the Bible goes beyond science. It covers a lot of science like where everything comes from and how everything works but it also covers a lot of things science can not explain. Thinks like our soul and our purpose in life. I am always surprised when people prefer science over the Bible, especially since they risk not being allowed to Heaven.

Things such as our soul (if there is such a thing) and our purpose in life I will leave up to religion or peoples other beliefs, but I want to show you a fundamental flaw in what you just said, namely

where everything comes from and how everything works

Both science and christianity aknowledge that the universe exists, agreed?
We both have our different views on how that actually came to happen.
Science has the Big Bang theory (and also the recent emergence of the idea that our universe was created when a previous universe split into two, multiverse stuff, makes my mind explode), While religion claims that it was created by god (out of nothing? correct mne if I'm wrong)

We all understand what I've said right?

Now heres the fundemental difference, Science says How the big bang occured, what happened in those few microseconds and such, and we have evidence aswell, evidence in the forms of the stars, expansion and all that stuff, I dont know to much about it really, but also evidence in the fact that the universe now exists, and all this stuff is probebly written down in a book somewhere. Now You may claim you have evidence that God created the universe (or multiverse, *insert scary cackling here*) your evidence being in the fact that we are here and a book from a few hundred years ago made up of bits and pieces from even longer ago say so. So lets count types of evidence here

S R
We exist We exist
Book confirming the above Book confirming the above
theory with evidence to support it

ding ding ding we have a winner! You may say that we have no evidece, but if you tested some of the predictions made by our theory, you would see that our evidence is correct, your next course of action would be to blame it on some other reason that you cannot proove and we cant disprove. If you look here, science still ahs the highground due to its evidence (:

now, to the next big ass post quoting my other post, this will take a while :L

Well, it is. Secular science is opposed to True Christian™ Law:

1 Timothy 6:20-21:
O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

This is exactly why science won't accept oppinion from faith, it lacks suitible evidence (if want to talk to a scientist, speak science! why cant we all co-exist in peace? (: )

lets use the creation of the universe as an example, this are what science has on its side of the argument:

• A theory (big bang, or multiverse stuff if you want your head to explode)
• Books detailing it
• Evidence in the fact that the universe exists, this is also probebly contained in a book somewhere
• Evidence that comes from the repeatable testing of predictions

Now on religions side (please correct me if this isnt religions argument):

• A Reason in that it was created by God (please comment on my lack of the use of the word theory here)
• Evidence in the fact that the universe exists
• A book stating the above

The results are in, science leads religion 4:3

The thing you lack is practically the langauge of science, it would be like me writing a book in english without knowing the alphabet, anyway, moving on

1 Timothy 2:3-4:
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

let me counter that with this, what I want you to get out of this is that one is no more true or proven than the other

[QUOTE]1 Tukasa 4:76:69
To be seen and absorbed through both the eyes and the mind's eyes, it was decreed that it was The wooden seat which will grant eternal life to anyone who sits on it from their first breath [/QUOTE]

I have no proof that the above is true, nor do you have any proof that it is false, the same can be said about your quote.

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Does the bible cover why when we inhale O_2 we exhale CO_2? no, does it explain the way the particles in the dust storm I am happily watching interact with each other and obscure my view of the city? no. You claim that it covers everything, and yes, it does offer some theories as to why some of the natural phenomena around us occurs, but it lacks evidence, it just states. The rest of it has come from your interpretation of it, lacking evidence, just based on opinion
1. You now already presume atoms to exist, while this is a point of debate here.
2. The Bible does not cover everything, only the things God deemed important enough, like the names of all moderately important people in the history of Israel.
3. However, the Bible did cover each of these ten subjects, so it is not my interpretation, but Biblical Truth.

Maybe I should be somewhat more clear about why the Bible is the Infallible Word of God. You see, God wants us to go to Heaven

1. You now already presume God to exist, while this is a point of debate here.
2. You now already presume God is infallible to exist, while this is a point of debate here.
3. You now already presume Heaven to exist, while this is a point of debate here.
4. The Science does not know everything, we know things now we never did before, like the History of scientific discoveries to date on this planet
3. In my first post, science did cover each of the ten subjects aswell, using not my interpretation, but evidence provided by repeatable experiments drawn from theories

[/QUOTE]

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Originally Posted by Giovanni
Now i personally attend a youth group at a local church, no i do not believe in god. But jesus sounds like a great fellow for he turned water into wine? I mean this guy knew how to party! anyways...

You believe a nonexistent God turned water into wine? How do you rationalize that?

Haha nice one giovanni, True Disciple, you believe water was turned into wine from a secondary source? who can you confirm it happened, were you there? do you have a video? even a photo?? How can you expect us to believe you then? I'm sure someone has written a book containing references about video camera's existing back in those days... maybe its not true!

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But NO WHERE in the bible have I seen, that you should discriminate your fellow neighbour. Weather it be the man down the street or the man who like you is trying to find their own kind of enlightenment.
Yes, we should. It is against the Will of God to intermingle with non-christian peoples:

Yet in your earlier statement, you said your prayer caused the iceland volcanic erruption, which if you look at the ammount of people it mingled with and pissed off, a fair number of those must have been non-christian people right?

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Guys that is Racist.
You think so? Why? Which race exactly is being discriminated against here?

he caught you out there mate haha, better way to put that, that animation is friggin discriminatory towards those pictured in it, now I'm going to say that and walk away, you may respond to it, but I'm not going to tlak about it again

2. The oceans do not drain because they are replenished by rain. The water that falls off at the edges evaporates (because of the heat of Hell, which is located under the Earth) and rises to forms clouds, completing what is known as the "Hydrologic Cycle."

Do you have any evidence to confirm this besides the fact it is possible?

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We should respect everyone, be they female, of a different religion, or from a different country.
Again, the Bible proves you wrong, false christian. About other religions

Now I'm going to sitck my neck out here and post a personal belief that I believe many mirror, If that is true, and the bible prooves that wrong, then those aprts of it do not deserve a place in civilised society
*runs away from the angry people with pitchforks and guns!*

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Originally Posted by A mate to God
I'd like to point out a fault in genetics. If I am not mistaken, genetics states that a bat is a mammal. That is of course wrong, since bible clearly says that it's a bird: Deut.14:11-18

A very good point, Brother! More proof of the cluelessness of secular science!

I Will go with your word here and say that genetics states that a bat is a mammal, this is because its characteristics are similar to that of a mammal not a bird, and again this becomes a fight between evidence and the word of scientists against the word of the bible
score check? 2:1

sorry for all the spelling mistakes, not using thy holy firefox today (:

/t

[True Disciple]

Re: The 10 worstly mistaken fields of secular science!

Yes yet, a few hundred years ago we had no idea how volcano's worked, now, we have models to explain them,

I don't know if you are right at this. I'm aware of the Theory of Plate Tectonics, be we've proven recently that it is True Christian™ Prayer that ultimately made, for example, the volcano in Iceland erupt, as we started praying on February 17th, and God answered our Prayers.

Though the use of the word "friend" may be civil in your reply, I do not believe the words "occult trash" are

Well, it is. Secular science is opposed to True Christian™ Law:

1 Timothy 6:20-21:
O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

In your beliefs it may be, but not mine, and I'm proud to say I did it again

That is something between Jesus and you. But now, when you are sodomized by demons with barbed tallywhackers in the Lake of Fire, at least you cannot say that nobody warned you against your sinful ways.

Dear True Disciple,
Sorry to bother you If pride is a sin, then is Pastor Ezekiel sinful? In his status he says "Putting the "stud" back in Bible study". I believe that stud is a complimentary term, and in this context it is directed at himself? so is he being prideful?

No, he isn't. Stud is a neutral term, as far as I'm aware.

While I have no solid proof to say that the devil does not exist, do you have any besides a few hundred year old book? I actually don't want to put it this way, but there is no proof that the contents of that book are true, The majority of the phenomenon it explains can be explained though other means such as theory's with predictions that can be tested repeatedly under many different conditions which produce quantitative evidence to reinforce the theory, what makes it more important than perhaps a fiction book written around the same time (I really did not enjoy putting it that way, but its true)

Maybe I should be somewhat more clear about why the Bible is the Infallible Word of God. You see, God wants us to go to Heaven:

1 Timothy 2:3-4:
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

To give us the opportunity to require a one-way ticket to Heaven instead of Hell, He had His Only Son sacrificed, so that the only thing to do to get Saved™, is to accept Him as Our Lord and Saviour:

John 3:16:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

However, God wants this Message to be known. How could He do that?

By making Man write the Bible, of course:

2 Timothy 3:16:
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness

And seeing that God is omnipotent:

Jeremiah 32:27:
Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?

He was perfectly able to prevent errors from diluting His Message. Therefore, the Bible cannot possibly be wrong.

Do you now understand why the Holy Bible trumps science by definition?

Does the bible cover why when we inhale O_2 we exhale CO_2? no, does it explain the way the particles in the dust storm I am happily watching interact with each other and obscure my view of the city? no. You claim that it covers everything, and yes, it does offer some theories as to why some of the natural phenomena around us occurs, but it lacks evidence, it just states. The rest of it has come from your interpretation of it, lacking evidence, just based on opinion

1. You now already presume atoms to exist, while this is a point of debate here.
2. The Bible does not cover everything, only the things God deemed important enough, like the names of all moderately important people in the history of Israel.
3. However, the Bible did cover each of these ten subjects, so it is not my interpretation, but Biblical Truth.

Now i personally attend a youth group at a local church, no i do not believe in god. But jesus sounds like a great fellow for he turned water into wine? I mean this guy knew how to party! anyways...

You believe a nonexistent God turned water into wine? How do you rationalize that?

But NO WHERE in the bible have I seen, that you should discriminate your fellow neighbour. Weather it be the man down the street or the man who like you is trying to find their own kind of enlightenment.

Yes, we should. It is against the Will of God to intermingle with non-christian peoples:

Ezra 9:1-4:
Now when these things were done, the princes came to me, saying, The people of Israel, and the priests, and the Levites, have not separated themselves from the people of the lands, doing according to their abominations, even of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Jebusites, the Ammonites, the Moabites, the Egyptians, and the Amorites. For they have taken of their daughters for themselves, and for their sons: so that the holy seed have mingled themselves with the people of those lands: yea, the hand of the princes and rulers hath been chief in this trespass.
And when I heard this thing, I rent my garment and my mantle, and plucked off the hair of my head and of my beard, and sat down astonied.
Then were assembled unto me every one that trembled at the words of the God of Israel, because of the transgression of those that had been carried away; and I sat astonied until the evening sacrifice.

Guys that is Racist.

You think so? Why? Which race exactly is being discriminated against here?

I also find that the Bible doesnt really say that the Earth is flat. The quotes seem to be poetic. The Earth is round. This is a fact. If the Earth were flat, how would the water stay on it?

1. You now declare seven Scripture Verses from seven very different books to be "poetic." Where does the literal part start according to you, and how do you differentiate between literal and poetic? Is Jesus dying on the Cross poetic as well?
2. The oceans do not drain because they are replenished by rain. The water that falls off at the edges evaporates (because of the heat of Hell, which is located under the Earth) and rises to forms clouds, completing what is known as the "Hydrologic Cycle."

I am saved, and even if I wasn't, I would still not be trash.

If you are saved, then why do you deny the Truthfulness of God's Word? You cannot be a Christian and deny the Temptation of Christ.

We should respect everyone, be they female, of a different religion, or from a different country.

Again, the Bible proves you wrong, false christian. About other religions:

Deuteronomy 13:12-16:
If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the LORD thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying, Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;
Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you;
Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.
And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the LORD thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again.

And other countries:

Joshua 10:32-40:
And the LORD delivered Lachish into the hand of Israel, which took it on the second day, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein, according to all that he had done to Libnah.
Then Horam king of Gezer came up to help Lachish; and Joshua smote him and his people, until he had left him none remaining.
And from Lachish Joshua passed unto Eglon, and all Israel with him; and they encamped against it, and fought against it:
And they took it on that day, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein he utterly destroyed that day, according to all that he had done to Lachish.
And Joshua went up from Eglon, and all Israel with him, unto Hebron; and they fought against it:
And they took it, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof, and all the cities thereof, and all the souls that were therein; he left none remaining, according to all that he had done to Eglon; but destroyed it utterly, and all the souls that were therein.
And Joshua returned, and all Israel with him, to Debir; and fought against it:
And he took it, and the king thereof, and all the cities thereof; and they smote them with the edge of the sword, and utterly destroyed all the souls that were therein; he left none remaining: as he had done to Hebron, so he did to Debir, and to the king thereof; as he had done also to Libnah, and to her king.
So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded.

I'd like to point out a fault in genetics. If I am not mistaken, genetics states that a bat is a mammal. That is of course wrong, since bible clearly says that it's a bird: Deut.14:11-18

A very good point, Brother! More proof of the cluelessness of secular science!

[Felicity]

Re: The 10 worstly mistaken fields of secular science!

@Rev. M. Rodimer most of this is handled automatically by my jPad. It has specific support for this forum.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: The 10 worstly mistaken fields of secular science!

@Giovanni thank you for your nice words, although I am not entirely sure it is even possible to smile from down there. I will pray for you to change your mind and go to Heaven instead. #Matthew 6:6

Felicity, dear, this isn't Twitter.

There's a handy "Quote" feature. You may wish to give it a try.

[Felicity]

Re: The 10 worstly mistaken fields of secular science!

@Giovanni thank you for your nice words, although I am not entirely sure it is even possible to smile from down there. I will pray for you to change your mind and go to Heaven instead. #Matthew 6:6

[Giovanni]

Re: The 10 worstly mistaken fields of secular science!

If it exist love, and I go to hell, I will smile up to you and hope your having a good time.

For that will be how I lived my life.

*starts singing don't worry be happy*

[A mate to God Waiting for Email Confirmation]

Re: The 10 worstly mistaken fields of secular science!

I'd like to point out a fault in genetics. If I am not mistaken, genetics states that a bat is a mammal. That is of course wrong, since bible clearly says that it's a bird: Deut.14:11-18

[Felicity]

Re: The 10 worstly mistaken fields of secular science!

@Giovanni I do not think I dodged your question. I did mention we should let Jesus guide us in being nice and helping people. Would doing that not make life a little bit like Heaven? And yes you made clear where you stand. It makes me a bit sad you do not want to go to Heaven. It seems to me you might be underestimating the risks you are taking. Pretending something bad does not exist does not mean it will stop to exist.

[Giovanni]

Re: The 10 worstly mistaken fields of secular science!

As i said Heaven and Hell Will both have to miss me.

And you dodge my Question, I asked why? Why are you defaming when you can, turn ife into Heaven?

You seem to me to be a nice and loyal person. So i will end my arguement here and leave you with one last thing..

I do not wish to go to heaven because I have already found 'enlightment' not through religion but through my fellow comrades.

If heaven and hell were my only options..
I would gladly suffer in hell for ever for not believing in god, or sinning to protect them. For my belief in my friends, family and fellow humanity goes far beyond that of the lord and my love further.

I hope this shows why i stand up for the rights, beliefs and hard work of my fellows.

Love, Peace, Unity
Giovanni

[Felicity]

Re: The 10 worstly mistaken fields of secular science!

@Giovanni I am surprised that you do not want to go to Heaven. I assure you Heaven is much nicer than the alternative. The True Christians™ on this forum are just trying to save souls. It is one of the things God asks us to do. #2 Timothy 4:1-2 I agree with you that we should let Jesus guide us to be nice people in life and to help those who need our help.

[Giovanni]

Re: The 10 worstly mistaken fields of secular science!

Fecility,
I'm not sure about you, but I'm not waiting to go to heaven, I personally would rather not go to heaven no hell when my time is up I wish to rest in peace.. but thats personal.

My question is that this forum is spending there time and most likely life shunning and defaming other religions, races and women.

When you could follow in the steps Jesus and my local youth group.. too better man kind and make Heaven out of Life.

Peace.

Giovanni

[Felicity]

Re: The 10 worstly mistaken fields of secular science!

@Tukasa I think the Bible goes beyond science. It covers a lot of science like where everything comes from and how everything works but it also covers a lot of things science can not explain. Thinks like our soul and our purpose in life. I am always surprised when people prefer science over the Bible, especially since they risk not being allowed to Heaven.

[Felicity]

Re: The 10 worstly mistaken fields of secular science!

@Emily_smiles yes I know about the article that says most women should not be on the Internet. I agree with that article. The Internet seduces a lot of women to sin and it is better if they are not tempted and go to Heaven instead. I asked my father permission to be on the Internet and since I am Saved(C) I am allowed to be on the Internet. #1st John 1:7