[Lost Sheep McUinnean]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

[QUOTE=AtheistSmasher;657913]

you people are retards. How can people make up gravity??

First of all, why is everybody that has true faith in God a retard to all of you mormonic Atheists? Gravity IS made up, this is clearly stated in the Bible and has to be accepted by EVERYBODY!

Thank you brother, but first please introduce yourself in the introduction forum. It's good manners. That would be smashing. Thank you.


YIC, McUinnean of that Ilk.

[AtheistSmasher]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

[QUOTE=Lost Sheep McUinnean;657914]

Thank you brother, but first please introduce yourself in the introduction forum. It's good manners. That would be smashing. Thank you.


YIC, McUinnean of that Ilk.

You're welcome! I'm sorry, I will do that, may Jesus forgive me, I just had to response to this ridiculous post of his!

[Lost Sheep McUinnean]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

[QUOTE=AtheistSmasher;657915]

You're welcome! I'm sorry, I will do that, may Jesus forgive me, I just had to response to this ridiculous post of his!

I understand perfectly friend. Many ancestors of mine were quick to draw the sword in days of yore, but then again in battle, one doesn't usually stop to make introductions. Nowadays, of course, things are far more civilised.

YIC, McUinnean of that Ilk.

[AtheistSmasher]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

[QUOTE=Lost Sheep McUinnean;657916]

I understand perfectly friend. Many ancestors of mine were quick to draw the sword in days of yore, but then again in battle, one doesn't usually stop to make introductions. Nowadays, of course, things are far more civilised.

YIC, McUinnean of that Ilk.

AMEN to that! I wish all those heretics were more civilised. Coming in here and trying to 'disprove' all of your fantastic creationist science with their 'true science' hocuspocus, which is totally contradictory to what we know from the Bible. I mean, what do they think? That it's some kind of joke? Hell is NOT a joke... I'm glad i won't end up down there

Btw. I have already introduced myself in the introducing forum now!

[NonDumbPal]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Dear Rev. Jim Osborne,

As some of the repliers have implied, I'll try to rebuke your arguments. I'm trying to be as respectful as I can with my answer, but I'm affraid there's some kind of affirmations I can't afford to read without bringing my palm to my face. Even if they're in a private forum like this, i hope noone gets offended for telling my point of view!

First experiment: you have obviously never jumped up when in the back of a truck Let's suppose the truck is going at a speed of 50 mph. If you jump up, you are NOT pushed backwards at a speed of 50 mph, even if the truck is going at that speed. You are indeed pushed backwards, but not at that speed because what pushes you backwards is the air pressure (the kind of "wind" you can feel on your face for travelling at such speed). When you are on a truck, you really are moving at 50 mph as well, and if the air didn't make pressure to push you backwards you would fall at the same exact spot where you jumped. I invite you to try this experiment. If a truck scares you (it can be dangerous indeed) just try it in a skateboard: it's absolutely the same.

You may ask, following my arguments: When you jump, if the earth is spinning, wouldn't you be pushed backwards because of air pressure? The fact is that all the air of the globe is closed inside the atmosphere, and the air spins at the same speed as the earth, making it seem it's all still. It's as easy as this

Second experiment: Gravitational fields are not depending on the size of the balloon, they're depending on its weight. A balloon, even if it's inflated, does not weight much so its gravitational field is really really small. You could obtain better results on your experiment with a billiard ball or a heavy stone. Anyway, this experiment is absolutely flawed and the reason is very clear. Even if the balloon has a gravity field, and makes an attraction force against the small piece of paper, the small piece of paper is also subject to another attraction force, a much larger one: the earth's! So, as the attraction of the earth is bigger than the attraction of the balloon, the paper falls to the ground. Quite simple, isn't it?

Third experiment: I don't really understand the mechanics of this experiment. As you are higher, you can see more for a simple reason: there are less obstacles impeding your eyesight. But then again, I insist that you try this experiment looking far at the distance, in some terrain that has absolutely no bumps. For example, try looking at the horizon when you are in the sea. In a high place if you prefer. If you look accurately, you will notice that the horizon is not completely straight: it has a slight curvature. This, my friend, was the first thing that made the ancient greeks suspect that the earth was not flat: the fact that the horizon is slightly curved. The size of the earth is pretty vast, so the curvature is not obvious at first eyesight, but it can be noticeable if you look accurately.

Before leaving, let me ask you guys something. This theory that the earth is flat... how can it explain that if you travel straight around the world, you end up arriving to the same location you started? I guess you all guys have heard about "airplanes" or perhaps you have even traveled in one. You know it's possible, starting at the United States, to travel to Japan across the Pacific, then go to Russia, cross it all the way to Finland, get another airplane across the Atlantic, and end up again in United States. How does the "earth is flat" theory explain this fact?

Greetings.

[Cranky Old Man]

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Before leaving, let me ask you guys something. This theory that the earth is flat... how can it explain that if you travel straight around the world, you end up arriving to the same location you started?

So according to your reasoning if I walk in a circle in my garden it will suddenly change into a globe?

[AtheistSmasher]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Dear Rev. Jim Osborne,

As some of the repliers have implied, I'll try to rebuke your arguments. I'm trying to be as respectful as I can with my answer, but I'm affraid there's some kind of affirmations I can't afford to read without bringing my palm to my face. Even if they're in a private forum like this, i hope noone gets offended for telling my point of view!

First experiment: you have obviously never jumped up when in the back of a truck Let's suppose the truck is going at a speed of 50 mph. If you jump up, you are NOT pushed backwards at a speed of 50 mph, even if the truck is going at that speed. You are indeed pushed backwards, but not at that speed because what pushes you backwards is the air pressure (the kind of "wind" you can feel on your face for travelling at such speed). When you are on a truck, you really are moving at 50 mph as well, and if the air didn't make pressure to push you backwards you would fall at the same exact spot where you jumped. I invite you to try this experiment. If a truck scares you (it can be dangerous indeed) just try it in a skateboard: it's absolutely the same.

You may ask, following my arguments: When you jump, if the earth is spinning, wouldn't you be pushed backwards because of air pressure? The fact is that all the air of the globe is closed inside the atmosphere, and the air spins at the same speed as the earth, making it seem it's all still. It's as easy as this

Second experiment: Gravitational fields are not depending on the size of the balloon, they're depending on its weight. A balloon, even if it's inflated, does not weight much so its gravitational field is really really small. You could obtain better results on your experiment with a billiard ball or a heavy stone. Anyway, this experiment is absolutely flawed and the reason is very clear. Even if the balloon has a gravity field, and makes an attraction force against the small piece of paper, the small piece of paper is also subject to another attraction force, a much larger one: the earth's! So, as the attraction of the earth is bigger than the attraction of the balloon, the paper falls to the ground. Quite simple, isn't it?

Third experiment: I don't really understand the mechanics of this experiment. As you are higher, you can see more for a simple reason: there are less obstacles impeding your eyesight. But then again, I insist that you try this experiment looking far at the distance, in some terrain that has absolutely no bumps. For example, try looking at the horizon when you are in the sea. In a high place if you prefer. If you look accurately, you will notice that the horizon is not completely straight: it has a slight curvature. This, my friend, was the first thing that made the ancient greeks suspect that the earth was not flat: the fact that the horizon is slightly curved. The size of the earth is pretty vast, so the curvature is not obvious at first eyesight, but it can be noticeable if you look accurately.

Before leaving, let me ask you guys something. This theory that the earth is flat... how can it explain that if you travel straight around the world, you end up arriving to the same location you started? I guess you all guys have heard about "airplanes" or perhaps you have even traveled in one. You know it's possible, starting at the United States, to travel to Japan across the Pacific, then go to Russia, cross it all the way to Finland, get another airplane across the Atlantic, and end up again in United States. How does the "earth is flat" theory explain this fact?

Greetings.

As it has happened before all these wishy washy scientific nonsense can be falsified with simple Christian logic:

First experiment: What does a truck have to do with it? Surely you are pushed back when you are on a truck, because it moves. The earth doesn't, so you stay in place! Simple as that!

And what is it with you Atheists and your "atmosphere"? There is absolute NO proof to it's existence, it's all theories!

Second experiment: So now your precious "gravity" depends on the weight? How big a rock would you need to "prove" it? As i suspect you would need a bigger rock that the earth itself, which is impossible, so you NEVER EVER can proof your "fact" that there is such a thing as gravity.

Third experiment: Oh, so I will notice that the horizon is NOT completely straight? I don't think so, even if so, how would I see that? Is there a possibility to "fly" far across the see so I can see your so called "curvature" from a specific height? And if i could do that and couldn't see the curvature you would answer "You have to go higher" and then I would fly higher and couldn't see anything, then you would answer "You have to be higher than that" until I'm high enough to be burned by the sun! That's a cheap trick by Satan for burning yourself so you can serve him in hell, so I'm not gonna try out your suicidal mission, I'll let the islamistic terrorists do that, thank you...

And have you never heard of "intelligent pulling"? When you travel in an airplane you fly until the edge of the earth and intelligent pulling puts you back to the other side of the earth so you face to your starting point again, so THAT is why you arrive at the same point again!

Myth BUSTED!

[Lisa H]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Dear Rev. Jim Osborne,

As some of the repliers have implied, I'll try to rebuke your arguments. I'm trying to be as respectful as I can with my answer, but I'm affraid there's some kind of affirmations I can't afford to read without bringing my palm to my face. Even if they're in a private forum like this, i hope noone gets offended for telling my point of view!

...

I got offended because you failed to read the entire thread to find what you already wrote has been proven wrong.

[YourFaithIsAJoke]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

You people are idiots?! Not one of these techniques proves that the earth is flat.... jesus P-I-F-F-L-E-I-N-G CHRIST! REEEETAAAARDS?!

Just by taking binoculars and looking up into the sky, logic will prove the earth is round, rotating around the sun, with the moon rotating around the earth.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

You people are idiots?! Not one of these techniques proves that the earth is flat.... jesus P-I-F-F-L-E-I-N-G CHRIST! REEEETAAAARDS?!

Just by taking binoculars and looking up into the sky, logic will prove the earth is round, rotating around the sun, with the moon rotating around the earth.

I just took a pair of binoculars and looked in the sky. I saw a few clouds. What's your point exactly?

[GOD=life]

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Just by taking binoculars and looking up into the sky, logic will prove the earth is round, rotating around the sun, with the moon rotating around the earth.

ATTENTION: do NOT follow his advice! IF YOU LOOK INTO THE SUN WITH BINOCULARS, YOU MIGHT GO BLIND

Nice try, kiddo. Nice try.

[TheWorldisflat]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

I'm not here to flame. I'm not here to say God doesn't exist. Frankly, I don't care about any of that. I just know this is wrong.

Religion does some great things for people. Some people have kept themselves from killing themselves. Others have given to charity. Some great project centers have been made for the betterment of humanity.

This, however, is destroying it and holding us as a human race back. I don't say that often and unless I truly mean it.

Now, before you say I should go to hell and that I'm a sinner and a horrible person, why don't you get to know me first? I'm a second degree black belt and I teach kids how to defend themselves. I love working with them and take it as my personal goal to make them the best they can be. As a kid I was the shy guy who would get picked on by the other kids because I wasn't very confident. When I joined a new school (of karate), I was welcomed in and slowly worked my way to being the great teacher I am now. I'm confident I've made a difference in these kids lives.

I'm also going to college right now. I never drink alcohol or do drugs simply because I think it is stupid to do so (not to mention illegal). I respect women and treat them as equals to me. Anyone of any race, gender or orientation is fine to be my friend. It's all the same to me.

I also, while I don't like to sort of "brag" to others about it, donate to charities I feel make a big difference in this world.

My point is, I'm not a bad guy and my goal is to make this world a better place to live in for everyone.

But the OP (and frankly everyone else on this forum) is being ignorant and calling all others ignorant who disagree with them. The people of this forum demand proof beyond a reasonable doubt that science works and it's not just "simple formulas". Well, where is yours? I've seen multiple "True Christians" ask for proof yet gives no proof of the world being flat, Heaven, Hell or even God!

But let's get to the sciencey stuff:

1) Jump!
Now, scientists claim that Earth is spherical and rotating at a speed of between 700-1000 miles per hour, depending on your latitude. This is a very high rate of speed. You can disprove this nonsense by simply jumping up as high as you can. Really, it's that simple. What happens when you jump? You come straight down to where you were. But, if the Earth were indeed spinning at such a fast speed, wouldn't you land hundreds of feet away?

If you were to stand in the flat bed of a truck going 75 mph, and jump straight up, what would happen? You wouldn't fall straight down. You would fall out of the truck. That's because trucks move, the Earth doesn't. This experiment proves the Earth is fixed in space and doesn't move.

What is happening here is called inertia. When an object is moving, it doesn't want to stop moving unless something is acting to stop it. I've seen a video (I can't find it atm) of a toy car with a spring board on top of it. There is also a cup on it. The card started to move, the ball was shot straight up and it fell back into the moving car. Since the car was moving forward, the ball was two. Nothing stopped it besides negligible air resistance. You can see this in crash test dummies. Watch a video of them. If they didn't have inertia, they would just stay in place until something hit them. Instead, they are constantly moving forward. Also notice while in a car yourself, when you start to move the car forward, you fell that pull back sensation. This is because you weren't moving, just the car was. This goes away after you stop accelerating.

Now the reason we don't fall back hundreds of yards is because the Earth with it's friction and gravity are keeping us moving at extremely high speeds. Even the air around us is moving at that speed. So, to us, we are not moving at all. In fact, we are moving. A LOT. When we do nothing we a traveling at insane speeds. It just doesn't feel like it due to the theory of relativity. We feel accelerations, not constant velocities.

2) Blow!
Since if the Earth is supposedly a sphere, it naturally comes to assume what would happen to people below the equator, like in Australia? Since they are underneath the sphere, wouldn't they fall off? This is where scientists come up with mumbo-jumbo like "gravity" and "centrifugal force" to explain away their theories. So, the scientists want you to think that because the earth is so much more massive than people or things, that people will naturally "stick" to the bottom of the earth because of gravity.

This can be disproved very simply. Get a balloon and inflate it as big as possible. It will be a spherical shape. Now, take a piece of paper and try to rip, tear, or cut the tiniest speck of paper possible. This paper represents a human being, much smaller in mass to the balloon, which represents the Earth. Now try and place the small piece of paper to the underside of the balloon. What happens? It falls off!

That's right. Even though the balloon is so much bigger in mass, it cannot hold the tiny paper. So if the Earth was a sphere, no one could live below the equator because they would fall off.

This is a common misconception. A balloon actually has a very small mass. Mass is defined as the matter within an object. A balloon has nothing in it, thus it has a small mass. Also, gravity isn't as strong as you think.

Everything has a gravitational pull in it. However, it's extremely weak because we are so small. The Earth, however, is gigantic. I mean, HUGE. Thus, since we are so insignificantly small in comparison, we are attracted to it. Also, because the sun is so huge (but so far away) the Earth is attracted to the sun. The reason we orbit it is because the Earth is trying to move in a straight line away from the sun but the sun pulls it in an infinite eclipse.

3) Get High!
Ok, this one you really can't do at home, but you can do it out in the world. Stand on the ground and look around you. What's the farthest you can see? Maybe it's a building, tree, or mountain. Now, find some place very close to it where you can get a much higher vantage point. (This also works if you're on a jet and about to take off.) Notice how in the higher place you can see much farther? You can see more of the world the higher you get. This shows the world is flat because the higher you go, the easier it is to see over obstacles. At the same time, it shows the world cannot be spherical. Because if the world was curved, the far distance would forever remain out of view because of the Earth's curvature. It would eternally be over the horizon.

If the Earth was a sphere, it would not matter how high you went, you would still see the same thing. Since this is not the case, the Earth is flat.

Well, this is simply because the Earth is absolutely enormous. For those of you who live in the USA, try taking a drive through the upper states. It's ENDLESS. This world is so much bigger than you think. Seriously, try to imagine how big the world is. Try to think about how long it would take for you to walk across just one state or country. Hours? Days? Now imagine the entire planet! It would take forever (assuming there was an absurdly long bridge for you to do this with). Now, two things prevent us from being able to see the roundness with our own eyes.

One is the simple fact that our eyes cannot perceive it. Our eyes work by bouncing light off of the objects in front of us and bringing it back for processing. That is why we see in light but not in darkness. So, a light that far away isn't going to make it to us in a usable form. Not to mention if it bounces off of something else, we won't see it.

The second is what is available to us to see from. The highest is Mount Everest. There are so many clouds up there that it's impossible to see that far. Everywhere else is NOTHING compared to the size of the Earth. Remember, however big you think the Earth is, you're wrong. It's bigger than that. I can throw numbers at you with a bunch of zeros but it means nothing. Until you take a really really long walk and realize you've gone no where in terms of how big this planet is, you'll never understand it. You're only option is to take a really long road trip.

These experiments are all confirmed by creation scientists as being 100% accurate. If you're skeptical of the flat Earth, why don't you do these experiments so you can see truth with your own eyes.

So what? Just because a certain group agrees with you means they are right?

See, this is what I don't get about religion and atheism. Religion can't prove anything! There is absolutely no proof that there is a God. Atheists also can't fully with out a doubt prove that we aren't created by something because of point zero. aka "What was the first thing to exist and how did it get there?" The chicken and the egg argument.

So, we have two sides, a stupid argument and no proof on either side! So who cares? Why have there been WARS over this? Why have people DIED because of this? Why can't I buy milk after 6pm on a SUNDAY after this? This is an endless debate where the only proof is...well, there isn't any! I can't say there is no God. Nor can I say there is God. So guess what! I'm not debating it.

So why am I here? To tell you what I can prove. That is all. Just remember, when you are about to tell me to go to hell and that you hope I am saved. Think about two things. I'm a nice guy. I help people and I work for the good of humanity. And second, can you prove it? Why bother arguing about something you cannot prove to be true? It's an endless argument that will never end unless someone dies or gives up.

Think about it.

Julian.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

blah blah blah

Too long, didn't read.

[Lost Sheep McUinnean]

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Too long, didn't read.

This +1

[TheWorldisflat]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Maybe that's why you people here don't understand any of this. Two lazy to read anything long besides the one thing you believe in. Read it. Might learn something. Also for someone who is giving me a "warning" about my "unsaved trash", you might want to READ my post first.