[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

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I think you have mistaken fact from imagination.

I have lost credibility? I think so.

You're letting your anger and frustration cloud your judgment, friend. That's a no-no!

(Psalms 37:8) "Cease from anger, and forsake wrath: fret not thyself in any wise to do evil."

YiC,

Z. Smyth

[James Hutchins]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

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I think you have mistaken fact from imagination.

I have lost credibility? I think so.

Son, we are not interested in your perversions.

Sex with animals and nigras (redundant I guess) does not interest us in the least.
To provide links that feed commine ruskie viruses to steal credit card and Chick Tract site passwords is not nice.

You should be ashamed. Why you need to do this when you admit you have lost credibility simply amazes me.

[qualejar]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

wow....
you banned my websites because you thought they were Gay porn....
NASA is Gay porn?my sites ended in .edu and .gov
are you kidding me? those cant be viruses or porn, this is just stringer proof of my correctness.

[xeon49]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

here is some more proof that the earth is not flat, but spherical.

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=62030

one of your own exposing the truth.

Yep, even if the christians see it with their own eyes they don't believe it. Talk about being brainwashed!

[wait_what]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

the sun is 100x larger than the earth, a flashlight is smaller than a table.
ill fix your experiment...

1. turn on the overhead light
2. look at the table
3. turn off the light
4. run to your room crying in embarrassment

yours in science

D. Qualen

Do you have scripture to back up your claim of the sun being 100 times larger than the earth?

Even so, your analogy only involves perspective. The overhead light is still smaller than the table. Not the most accurate way to prove your point.

[Wobzter]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

In my opinion, the very foundation of this thread is wrong.
This thread shows three experiments you can do yourself to prove the Earth is flat. However, doing experiments to determine a conclusion is a scientific method, not a Biblical one. A Biblical way to determine a conclusion, in this case the shape of the Earth, is to follow what the Bible says and stick to it. I've read some 25 pages of this thread, and the most-commonly used argument why the counterargument versus these three experiments are wrong is because they are not in agreement with - correct me if I'm wrong - The KJV1611.
For the sake of clarity, I'll start using terms as "you" for the long-term members of this forum who agree with the topic starter and terms as "us" for members like me who disagree with the topic starter.

Before you start saying I have no business here if I disagree with you guys because whenever we say something we don't listen to people quoting the Bible - there's a difference now. Whereas when scientist talk amongst themselves they use scientific methodology to propose arguments, whereas people quoting the Bible use different methodology. So there's no real way to discuss because the arguments are based on different ground. This thread, however, is using a scientific method and so the arguments proposed here can be debunked using the same scientific method; experiments and theory.

So, before you start saying that my counterarguments below are not in accordance with The KJV1611, keep in mind that the method to prove things is different and in this very thread it's not appropriate to quote Biblical text - which is a different proving method.

Okay, keeping that in mind, let me start with the counterarguments.

Jump!
First of all, a flat Earth never excludes the possibility that the entire universe (with a flat Earth, the spherical sun and the moon, the stars, heaven, the underworld and anything else) is moving at a constant speed in a random direction. We would never be notice this just as you would never notice a train moving (assuming it's well build and not shaking) at constant speed with the windows shut and curtains in front of the windows when you are inside the train (as we are inside the layers of the universe).
Anyway.

If you would actually do the second part of the experiment, standing on a flat bed truck moving at 75 mph (110 feet per second) you would find out something different. Okay, for the sake of safety, let's use a flat bed truck with a bad of length 10 feet. These shouldn't be hard to hard to find. If you have one of 5 feet that's fine as well, just move twice as slow. Anyway, assuming you have a 10-feet bed fat bed truck, let the truck move at a constant speed of 10 feet per second (that's 6.8 mph). If you jump for half a second you should displace 5 feet, wouldn't you?
I mean, you are in the air for half a second, while the truck below you is moving at 10 feet a second. Letting this happen for half a second would mean the truck is 5 feet on away from you. If you land back on the truck, you should be in the middle of the 10-feet bed truck.
If you ACTUALLY do this experiment and jump straight up you will find out that you do NOT displace 5 feet relative to the truck. You can try this yourself, it's safe, don't worry, you'd move 5 feet max).
When doing this experiment you have to make sure you jump straight up (that means a straight angle between the flat bed and the direction you are jumping in) and the car is not accelerating (as this would be the best analogy for the Earth which, according to scientists, rotates at a constant speed; not an accelerating one). Okay, if you do this, you will find you will move a maximum of 1 inch. This 1 inch is relative to the truck, not the Earth below the tires of the truck. This is because, according to science, your horizontal movement in the air is somewhat similar to the of the truck you just jumped from; 10 feet a second relative to the Earth or 0 feet a second relative to the truck.

This 1 inch displacement is because of the air friction. When you throw a piece of paper in the air you will notice it's horizontal movement (not vertical) will decrease very fast after you've thrown it. The same is with you being in the air, your horizontal movement will decrease as well. The mass-versus-area of a piece of paper is very much smaller than that of a human, and so the decrease is much more substantial than with us humans.
Anyway, your horizontal movement of 10 feet a second relative to the Earth is also 10 feet a second relative to the air around you. This relative motion can be regarded as wind. This time it's you moving rather than the air around you. The friction, however, is similar. It causes you to lose your speed relative to the air around you. This means your speed will decrease to some 9.9 feet per second relative to the Earth and the air, or -0.1 feet relative to the truck. This -0.1 feet (the minus indicates the direction; opposite of the direction the truck is moving in we're not talking about negative speed here) is what causes that 1 inch displacement.

In other words; if it weren't for the air friction your speed would be similar to the truck when you jump.
The same applies to jumping from the Earth, because the air is moving along with the rotation of the Earth, there is no difference between the movement of you jumping (which is the same as that of the Earth just as it was the same as that of the truck) and the air. If there is wind you will move a little, but again, not more than an inch. Also, jumping straight up is somewhat difficult for people (just jump a few times, you will notice you will displace a liiiitle bit even with wind still) - this might account for one or two inches. So if you try to prove my theory is wrong by jumping inside your house and seeing you displace even though there is no wind, it's because we humans are - as great as we are - not perfect.

In other words.
This experiment proves nothing because the outcome of the second part of the experiment (of the moving truck) is different that that proposed.
I am NOT saying that my explanation DOES prove the sphericalness of the Earth, it only says that the first experiment is based on a fallacy.
Once again; just try it with a slowly moving truck; you wont move 5 feet unless you jump forwards or backwards (depending on which direction you are facing) and are able to do that exactly right (small chance; just try it yourself). The velocity of the truck and the length of the bed truck are chosen in such a way that it's safe to do this experiment (unless you think that a truck moving at 10 feet a second would suddenly displace more than 10 feet in HALF a second...).


Blow
The analogy given here is the Earth and a human versus a tiny piece of paper and a balloon.
According to us scientists, the Earth has a radius of 25.000 miles. A sphere has a volume of 4/3 * pi * radius * radius * radius . This would make the volume of the Earth some 65449846949787 miles³. For the sake of ease let's say it's 65000000000000 = 65,000,000,000,000 miles³ or 65 trillion miles³. I hope you won't disagree with the equation for the volume of a sphere, if you do, you disagree with elementary mathematics which has aided us in creating things like computers through which we are communicating now.
A human has a volume of about 6 feet height * 1 feet length * 2 feet width = 12 feet³. This is about 0.0000000000407614367 miles³.
The ratio between 65 trillion and 0.0000000000407614367 is something with about 20 zeroes.
This is when evaluating the volume. The Earth's crust is made up of heavier things than a human, so the ratio of the mass would be even bigger.

The mass of an inflated balloon is about 0.17 ounce.
But to make the ratio bigger for the sake of you guys, let's say it's 1 full ounce.
A piece of paper weights 0.000352739619 ounce. To make the ratio bigger let's say it's 0.0001 ounce.
The ratio of 0.0001 and 1 ounce is a ratio of 4 zeroes (1000).
This is nowhere to be compared to the ratio of the Earth and a human (10000000000000000000).

Then I've also found an argument that when you put pour water over a balloon it would just fall off rather than "stick to the balloon". Here the same thing applies.
Anyway, using that same logic that it would just fall down.
Please tell me why the whole universe isn't falling down right at this moment?
What is there to hold the Earth and everything else from falling down?
The Underworld perhaps, but that's there to hold that up and making sure it doesn't fall down?
Nothing, so the whole universe would be falling down.
But this is not in accordance with the first argument of yours which says that the Earth isn't moving (either moving in a straight line or rotating).

Anyway.
This experiment is also not representative for the Earth because the ratio is way off. In other words, this doesn't prove anything (not in favor for anyone; not you, not me).

Get High
Yet again, it's the order of magnitude which is wrong.
The Earth is so big that when you're at the height of the top of the Mt. Everest (5.5 miles) you would still not be able to see your half of the Earth. Due to the curvature of the Earth you would see some 5% of the Earth max (perhaps not even). Only when you go much, much higher, say a thousand miles high, would you see the 50% maximum due to curvature. Because going a thousand miles high is in altitude is not possible unless taking a spaceship (which I will not bother you with); you will indeed experience the fact that; the higher you move the more you'll see.
Also, if the Earth is indeed flat, then how come all I see is the North Sea when looking from Holland (where I live) towards the United Kingdom? How come I don't see the United Kingdom there?
You would say that I would see it if I went higher; but how does this make sense? My altitude wouldn't make a difference if the Earth is flat, would it?
In other words; it still doesn't prove anything.

That's about it, what I wanted to say.
Please, please, consider that this thread's foundation is doing experiments and not quoting Biblical text.
I'm not going to represent any arguments why the Earth would be a sphere, I just wanted to show that these experiments aren't representative.

[xeon49]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

1. Grab a flashlight.

2. Go to a table.

3. From a couple of feet above the table, shine the flashlight straight down on one end.

4. Move the flashlight horizontally across the table to the other end.

5. Turn off the flashlight.

6. Repeat.

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

The other end of the table would still be able to see the flashlight.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

The other end of the table would still be able to see the flashlight.

The earth is bigger than a table, genius

[xeon49]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

The earth is bigger than a table, genius

Yes? The sun is bigger then a flashlight.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Yes? The sun is bigger then a flashlight.

Only slightly. It is significantly smaller than the earth, much smaller than the ratio of flashlight to desk.

PROOF that the sun is only 32 miles in diameter!

[xeon49]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Only slightly. It is significantly smaller than the earth, much smaller than the ratio of flashlight to desk.

PROOF that the sun is only 32 miles in diameter!

It's actually alot bigger, since it's size doesn't change (atleast not noticably) when you approach it with an airplane for example.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

It's actually alot bigger, since it's size doesn't change (atleast not noticably) when you approach it with an airplane for example.

Sure it does. You just don't notice it because you can't look directly at the sun without squinting or going blind.

[James Hutchins]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

It's actually alot bigger, since it's size doesn't change (atleast not noticably) when you approach it with an airplane for example.

No, it is not. If you see a mountain twenty miles away, if you reduce the distance, by 5%, does the mountain get 5% bigger?
Please back up your assertions with scripture and relevant passages. Footnotes will be appreciated. Thanks!

[Wobzter]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

No, it is not. If you see a mountain twenty miles away, if you reduce the distance, by 5%, does the mountain get 5% bigger?
Please back up your assertions with scripture and relevant passages. Footnotes will be appreciated. Thanks!

No. First of all, mountains don't "get bigger".
Anyway, we're talking about perception here.
And in perception it's all about angles.
If you are at a range of 100 miles in front of a 5 mile-width mountain the mountain takes in (2 * tan(100/2.5) = 3.04167 degrees angle.
Then if you move 5% towards the mountain, you're at a range of 95 miles in front of the 5-mile width mountain. The mountain then takes (2 * tan(95/5) = 3.09032 degrees angle. While 5% of 3.04167 is 0.1520835. The increase is only about 0.05 instead of 0.15.

This makes quite much sense though. If you move 100% towards the mountain, it's not that the mountain takes only 6 degrees of your sight. No, it takes about 180 degrees of your sight.

Point is; the ratios here aren't linear.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

No. First of all, mountains don't "get bigger".
Anyway, we're talking about perception here.
And in perception it's all about angles.
If you are at a range of 100 miles in front of a 5 mile-width mountain the mountain takes in (2 * tan(100/2.5) = 3.04167 degrees angle.
Then if you move 5% towards the mountain, you're at a range of 95 miles in front of the 5-mile width mountain. The mountain then takes (2 * tan(95/5) = 3.09032 degrees angle. While 5% of 3.04167 is 0.1520835. The increase is only about 0.05 instead of 0.15.

This makes quite much sense though. If you move 100% towards the mountain, it's not that the mountain takes only 6 degrees of your sight. No, it takes about 180 degrees of your sight.

Point is; the ratios here aren't linear.

Do you have Scripture to back that up?