[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Wether or not you find it ludicrous or "immature and silly" is completely irrelevant to the point here.

If not a car, then try jumping on an airplance travelling 10 times faster. According to the theory, the person jumping will end up several hundred feet behind the plane when he lands.

Are you rude and ignorant? INTRODUCTION FORUM is there for a reason. USE IT!

Also, no one said aircraft cannot fly fast as they do when you fly across the world. That however does not take away from the fact of earth being flat.

YIC,

Mrs.P.Wintersnow

[Plepple]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Mr Critters,

I find it ludicrous that someone would be standing up in a car in the first place. It is not only highly dangerous but also quite an immature and silly thing to do.

Secondly, could you please show some courtesy and read THIS! prior to making any more posts. When you have done that, please head over to the INTRODUCTION FORUM and introduce yourself in a proper manner.

Thank you for your time.

YIC,

Mrs.P.Wintersnow

Whether something is ludicrous or not has no bearing on the value of truth. If we'd all just dismiss things that could challenge our views by making them out to be laughable and silly; I can assure you our world would be an arbitrarily darker place.

How do you know "Critters" isn't simply another account he/she made in order to more freely discuss things with you people? Asking him/her to fabricate a lie or to reveal his or her identity would be counterproductive.

Even if we assume the first premise is false; it still doesn't matter since it won't help at all unless his/her visit is a very long one.

(...) 5.0000000000001% of the earths material to make something to prove this experiment, the result will always end in a failure. (...)

I'm however quite interested. I know some basic formulas for gravitational influence and (unfortunately only) circulative rotation so I might understand you. I have not found any way to send you a personal message yet so I apologize for asking you of this here even after you've stated it's most likely a waste of time. However, unlike most people here: I'm interested in acquiring knowledge about myself and my surroundings - and I find your information tantalizing. :3

[Cretin]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

I suggest you read the opening post of this thread. This was in response to his claim that the earth is not moving. I adress the issue of the earth being flat further down in my post. I think you are missing the point of my jumping suggestion completely, it is, once again, in response to the first part of his thread, the "1. JUMP!" part.

And I know that your first instinct when faced with something you can not answer or dismiss directly is to try to derail the topic into something else, sure I'll use the introductions forum if I find it necessary, I would still like a proper reply to my post instead of insults though.

[Cretin]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Sorry Plepple, I still can't see any way to edit my posts in this forum, would be easier and cleaner than making two since I didn't see your response until I was already writing my own.

Anyways, what question would you like answered? Mind you, I am in no respect an expert on gravitational physics

[Brother Temperance]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Hmmm... it must be different in Australia. Here the wind blows from time to time - not all the time.

What with all their nonsense about time zones, the Austrians probably think the wind blows from 3 o'clock to 7 o'clock.

Nice try. Let's pretend you are inside a train standing in the aisle, but someone has removed the roof. Are you trying to say that now, all the sudden, if you were to jump you would slam into the back of the train just because the roof was removed? That is evidence you can see with your own eyes.

Fine, give me a train with no roof, someone to drive it for me and a length of empty track to run it on, and I'll be happy to accept your challenge. If you refuse to provide me with this, then it's not something I can see with my own eyes.

And sadly, the gravity on earth is much greater than anything you can actually manufacture at home here. Why? Because the objects you are using to manufacture those items are objects already on our planet, so unless you use 5.0000000000001% of the earths material to make something to prove this experiment, the result will always end in a failure.

So, if I test your theory it will always fail, but it's definitely right? That's basically what you're saying here.

If I ask you: "Which car are you referring to?", the answer: "There's only one car." is not giving me any additional information since from my point of view there are countless imaginary cars.

Son, I realise your atheist life is empty and meaningless, but you really need to cut down on the psychedelics.

Whether something is ludicrous or not has no bearing on the value of truth. If we'd all just dismiss things that could challenge our views by making them out to be laughable and silly; I can assure you our world would be an arbitrarily darker place.

No it wouldn't. That's a ridiculous thing to say.

How do you know "Critters" isn't simply another account he/she made in order to more freely discuss things with you people? Asking him/her to fabricate a lie or to reveal his or her identity would be counterproductive.

No, it would be completely productive, because it would force the Satanist to admit that they're a liar. Of course, we already know they're lying about the earth, but it would be good to see them admit it.

[Plepple]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Sorry Plepple, I still can't see any way to edit my posts in this forum, would be easier and cleaner than making two since I didn't see your response until I was already writing my own.

Anyways, what question would you like answered? Mind you, I am in no respect an expert on gravitational physics

No worries, I don't know how either. I'm just keeping another tab open with the same page and updating it just when I'm done with my post. If there's something I want to reply to I just copy my text and go back to add another quote.

I'm also by no means an expert, I've only finished some very basic courses regarding physics, I'm however very interested in these type of things. Do you have a link or something regarding how massive an object must be to give the effects of what you described before? Do you use ~5% of earth's material or just the equivalent from elsewhere? :3

[Cretin]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

So, if I test your theory it will always fail, but it's definitely right? That's basically what you're saying here.

No. What I am saying is that the test he suggests is not scientifically correct, or even logically correct. Unless you manage to create an object with a gravitational pull that surpasses that of the Earth itself, the result will always be that the piece of paper falls down to the Earth due it's greater gravity. And the quote from Plebble on what I said is actually not completely true. You would not need 50.00000001% of the Earth's mass. You would simply need an object of a density and mass that creates a gravitational pull surpassing that of the earth itself, ie ~9.81 meters per second. A balloon, which is made up of air, clearly does not possess the necessary density and the sheer mass required to overcome the gravitional acceleration of our entire planet.

Side note to noone in particular: If such a thing as gravity does not exist, why do I fall back to the ground when I jump instead of floating off into the sky?

[Cretin]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Do you use ~5% of earth's material or just the equivalent from elsewhere? :3

5% was a typo What I meant was that if you were to create an object to surpass the earth's gravitational pull, yet still having the same density and same material composition of the earth, you would need 50.0000001% of the earth's material to overcome it.

Interesting fact though: The weight of the object you are creating is actually not important, as long as you manage to compress it to a density that will surpass the gravitational pull of our earth.

[Plepple]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Son, I realise your atheist life is empty and meaningless, but you really need to cut down on the psychedelics.

No it wouldn't. That's a ridiculous thing to say.

No, it would be completely productive, because it would force the Satanist to admit that they're a liar. Of course, we already know they're lying about the earth, but it would be good to see them admit it.

I have no idea what you realize or not I would however advise you, for the sake of argument, to not assume too much. Unless you have concrete evidence of what kind of medication I'm presumable on; I'd be delighted if you'd refrain from a false argumentum ad hominem.

I can also assure you I've not said anything. What I've written is however quite arbitrarily valid.

Why are you assuming that Critter's a Satanist? He/she could very well be someone who's seeking your guidance and all you're doing is ridiculing the person, spouting nonsense about who she or he is. Is that what your supposed God has taught you?

5% was a typo What I meant was that if you were to create an object to surpass the earth's gravitational pull, yet still having the same density and same material composition of the earth, you would need 50.0000001% of the earth's material to overcome it.

Interesting fact though: The weight of the object you are creating is actually not important, as long as you manage to compress it to a density that will surpass the gravitational pull of our earth.

Oh, now I see. I was thinking you had a special distance in mind which would allow a mass only five percent of the earth's mass to successfully attract smaller things to itself. I guess now the decimals make sense. ;3

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

The rude critter person wrote:

Side note to noone in particular: If such a thing as gravity does not exist, why do I fall back to the ground when I jump instead of floating off into the sky?

It is not gravity but Universal Acceleration. Earth is accelerating 'upward' at a constant rate of 1g (9.8m/sec^2). This produces the effect you refer to as "gravity".

And also Critter, I have read Rev Jim's exciting home experiments and tried them all at home and they worked. Therefore, his work was peer reviewed and his conclusions prove TRUE.

YIC,

Mrs.P.Wintersnow

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Why are you assuming that Critter's a Satanist? He/she could very well be someone who's seeking your guidance and all you're doing is ridiculing the person, spouting nonsense about who she or he is. Is that what your supposed God has taught you?

Listen Pineapple,

It is more than apparent that this critter girl is not here to seek guidance as people who do make an introduction.(If you had any grain of courtesy in you, you would have done so by now as well) She is obviously here to mock God and we don't take kindly to those kind of folk around here.

YIC,

Mrs.P.Wintersnow

[BelieverInGod]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

5% was a typo What I meant was that if you were to create an object to surpass the earth's gravitational pull, yet still having the same density and same material composition of the earth, you would need 50.0000001% of the earth's material to overcome it.

Interesting fact though: The weight of the object you are creating is actually not important, as long as you manage to compress it to a density that will surpass the gravitational pull of our earth.

Have you considered rereading what you write first to make sure you know what you are saying?

It gets very confusing when every time someone catches you in something you claim it's a typo.

As for your answers.

I've stood up it the back of a pickup, I didn't even need to jump and I fell over.

I took the piece of paper and put it on the bottom of a horses jolly ball (http://www.toptackequestrian.co.uk/j...aker-598-p.asp) much bigger and much heavier than the balloon mentioned. The piece of paper fell off of that even easier than it did off of the balloon and the small ball I used. Therefore it seems like the bigger/denser ball I use, the less likely it is the paper will stick.

[Plepple]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Listen Pineapple,

It is more than apparent that this critter girl is not here to seek guidance as people who do make an introduction.(If you had any grain of courtesy in you, you would have done so by now as well) She is obviously here to mock God and we don't take kindly to those kind of folk around here.

YIC,

Mrs.P.Wintersnow

Am I supposed to hear something coming from you perhaps?

I'm obviously not writing about conscious guidance. These might be questions Critters is (no offense to you Critters, I'm just making up a scenario) curious about, the last questions he or she needs in order to convert and reach salvation. What you're doing is making up excuses to stomp on that person's perhaps last chance for bliss. Is that really okay in your religion? Did Jesus advocate making things up in order to satisfy your own lust for other people's suffering? ;3

(...) I took the piece of paper and put it on the bottom of a horses jolly ball (http://www.toptackequestrian.co.uk/j...aker-598-p.asp) much bigger and much heavier than the balloon mentioned. The piece of paper fell off of that even easier than it did off of the balloon and the small ball I used. Therefore it seems like the bigger/denser ball I use, the less likely it is the paper will stick.

What a surprise! Since the earth is a far greater mass than your ball, it attracted the piece of paper rather than the ball. You've not proven anything but your own incompetence.

Are you a mature adult? :3

[GOD=life]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

I can honestly (this time) claim that I'm the equivalent of a God/deity.

Right. Looks like you're this kid:



Read the tale of this kid here:

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1041/1041_01.asp

The point I was making is that I'm Atheist about all deities while you're Atheist about most of them.

It's a weak point and irrelevant to this discussion. Are you trying to "win" by derailing this thread?

Again: if, by definition, being atheist means rejecting all deities, then it's logically impossible to be atheist and theist at the same time.

If we substitute the definition, then you're basically saying this:

"I am someone who rejects all deities"
"You are someone who rejects all deities, but not all of them"

So essentially, you apply the word in a way that directly contradicts its definition. And thus the logic is flawed.

QED

As an aside, logic doesn't seem to be your strength. You complain about ad hominem arguments here:

I'd be delighted if you'd refrain from a false argumentum ad hominem.

And then you use it yourself here:

Are you a mature adult?

[BelieverInGod]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

What a surprise! Since the earth is a far greater mass than your ball, it attracted the piece of paper rather than the ball. You've not proven anything but your own incompetence.

Are you a mature adult? :3

Yes I'm an adult, and the mother of 3 boys.

According to you the more mass an object has, the more gravity it has. Well the paper needed to be blown on quite hard to leave the balloon, lightly to leave the toy ball, and didn't need to be blown on at all to fall off of the jolly ball. That is going in the complete opposite direction of how you said it would happen.