[handmaiden]

Re: If the Earth is flat...

I've always seen science as a means of explaining how creation works and God's Word as explaining to me why it works. It's fascinating learning just how complicated and detailed everything in nature is. I know it's not a vital part of Christian living, nature is just so interesting to learn about.

Science also creates expectations that God does a great job at surpassing and proving just how impossibly powerful he is.

I'm sorry my dear, but nature is disgusting. It is blood and death at one end and waste products and babies at the other. But thank you for joining us here.

[Tanya Fairywings]

Re: If the Earth is flat...

Amen, God is great. To successfully navigate life as a good Christian, really we don't even need to know where the stars came from or the order in which God created the beasts, but He saw fit in His wisdom to tell us anyway. As far as other things, like how stars work, how magnets work, where diseases come from, what fossils are, why children resemble their parents, where Eden was located, where the dragons and giants and unicorns went, why some humans used to live for centuries but we cap out at like 120 max nowadays, what's at the bottom of the oceans or the tops of mountains, how most of our organs work, what is matter made out of --- these are mysteries man was not meant to know. "For we walk by faith, not by sight" (2 Corinthians 5:7).

If you have a question that can't be answered by the Bible, rest assured that God knows it but it's none of our business. That's where scientists went wrong, trying to sort out "questions" they had about the Bible and then, in their arrogance, deciding that what they found with their feeble mortal senses overruled His holy word. Whenever I'm faced with a scientist I can't out-shout (not too often), I plug my ears and begin singing "BLESSED ASSURANCE JESUS IS MINE! OH WHAT A FORETASTE OF GLORY DIVINE. HEIR OF SALVATION, PURCHASE OF GOD, BORN OF HIS SPIRIT, WASHED IN HIS BLOOD" and so on. That usually shuts them up. Can I get an amen?

I've always seen science as a means of explaining how creation works and God's Word as explaining to me why it works. It's fascinating learning just how complicated and detailed everything in nature is. I know it's not a vital part of Christian living, nature is just so interesting to learn about.

Science also creates expectations that God does a great job at surpassing and proving just how impossibly powerful he is.

[Dennis Lukes]

Re: If the Earth is flat...

God has not explained how stars work ... I'm beginning to despair of any sort of answer here.

Amen, God is great. To successfully navigate life as a good Christian, really we don't even need to know where the stars came from or the order in which God created the beasts, but He saw fit in His wisdom to tell us anyway. As far as other things, like how stars work, how magnets work, where diseases come from, what fossils are, why children resemble their parents, where Eden was located, where the dragons and giants and unicorns went, why some humans used to live for centuries but we cap out at like 120 max nowadays, what's at the bottom of the oceans or the tops of mountains, how most of our organs work, what is matter made out of --- these are mysteries man was not meant to know. "For we walk by faith, not by sight" (2 Corinthians 5:7).


If you have a question that can't be answered by the Bible, rest assured that God knows it but it's none of our business. That's where scientists went wrong, trying to sort out "questions" they had about the Bible and then, in their arrogance, deciding that what they found with their feeble mortal senses overruled His holy word. Whenever I'm faced with a scientist I can't out-shout (not too often), I plug my ears and begin singing "BLESSED ASSURANCE JESUS IS MINE! OH WHAT A FORETASTE OF GLORY DIVINE. HEIR OF SALVATION, PURCHASE OF GOD, BORN OF HIS SPIRIT, WASHED IN HIS BLOOD" and so on. That usually shuts them up. Can I get an amen?

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: If the Earth is flat...

God made all the lights in the sky - the sun and the moon and stars (Genesis 1:16). Light does not "warp" it simply is (Genesis 1:3)

I'm glad you mentioned that. Light existed before there were any stars and God has not explained how stars work. Wherever light comes from, I'm pretty sure it reaches the ground and doesn't get reflected back by with to or from the firmament. If that were not so, the world itself would have to be glowing and as we know glowing rocks are too hot for life. Maybe angels could manage but not humans.

Another alternative, since we can actually see things, would be to navigate using "the 3rd eye" which is a demonic concept utterly opposed to God. I'm going out of my way to accommodate these suggestions about light and presumably our interlocutor reckons that sparkling diamonds refract light wherever it comes from. Creation scientists understand that light came before stars and I know God hasn't described how stars work – so couldn't the pre-existing light Genesis 1:3 simply be refracted by the stars once God made them? They would still be "lights" no matter how they work.

But I'm beginning to despair of any sort of answer here.

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: If the Earth is flat...

Friend, we have patiently defended our beliefs against your mocking and scoffing. It's only fair that you take your turn defending your beliefs against OUR critiques.

I'll give you a choice:

"Top 10 reasons Elon Musk is the AntiChrist".

Or:

"Climate Crisis averted: we'll just nuke the hurricanes."

Or:

Photographic proof: fusion power steals halos from angels!

Your move, Catholic.

[Johny Joe Hold]

Re: If the Earth is flat...

provide me scriptural support for the existence of "lithium." You can't. Chapter and verse or it didn't happen.

Just to digress a bit, I want to say how proud I am of our community here in LBC. You give your all to defend Jesus. You use the Bible to establish the truth no matter the bricks and arrows that come in to harm you.

When someone appears here to attack the truth, this time the Bible's declaration of a flat earth, you all join in to successfully rebuke the sinner. God Bless You.

[Dennis Lukes]

Re: If the Earth is flat...

God made all the lights in the sky - the sun and the moon and stars (Genesis 1:16). Light does not "warp" it simply is (Genesis 1:3). This isn't Star Trek. And the stars themselves are all the same color, white, you can look at them yourself. Also, provide me scriptural support for the existence of "lithium." You can't. Chapter and verse or it didn't happen.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: If the Earth is flat...

"BUT WHY DO THESE DIAMONDS SPARKLE????" It's because of the earth's atmosphere reflecting and warping the light, but that is only a little bit, there's not enough to change it majorly.

1. Would that mean diamonds don't sparkle on the moon?

2. If the earth's atmosphere reflects the light, how does it get to the diamonds?

heavier and heavier elements until it reaches either Iron (Fe) or Lithium (Li)

3. Li (lithium) is the lightest metal and one of the lightest elements.

There are different types of colors for stars as well

3a. We already know that: all you need to do is look up. Are you suggesting this refutes the diamond hypothesis? There are red, orange, yellow, white, dark brownish-red and blue diamonds as well.

4. My real worry though is that you haven't addressed any of my questions. Here's another one. If stars are 1,200,000,000 km across, how could they fall to the earth? Where would they fit? The authority claimed for catholicism is the exact same source I'm using for my questions about the stars and moon.

Thank you.

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: If the Earth is flat...

Yea and I think yours is the beers your mom had while she had you. I hope she's already deceased.

That is an extraordinary claim, requiring extraordinary (Biblical) evidence.

The fact that I can't even make out exactly what the claim even is....That's beside the point. But I'll debate you on whether it's actually possible.

Be it resolved: Fetal Alcohol Syndrome/Beer Goggles is/are a load of bulldung made up by potheads.

My argument: neither are mentioned in the Bible.

[handmaiden]

Re: If the Earth is flat...

Yea and I think yours is the beers your mom had while she had you. I hope she's already deceased.

Your behavior here towards Sister Joanna--and to the rest of our online community--is very disrespectful.

I am very tempted to pray that a number of fates befall you, but having searched my soul and The Good Book, I have set aside my uncharitable inclinations and come to the realization that you truly may be doing the best that you can with what little you have been given.


Deuteronomy 16:17
Every man shall give as he is able, according to the blessing of the Lord thy God which He hath given thee.

[Iplaytf2]

Re: If the Earth is flat...

Brothers and Sisters, I think we have our answer to where this child's problems originate!

Yea and I think yours is the beers your mom had while she had you. I hope she's already deceased.

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: If the Earth is flat...

I am a catholic.

Brothers and Sisters, I think we have our answer to where this child's problems originate!

[Iplaytf2]

Re: If the Earth is flat...

That's already been done. Giant diamonds.

I dare you to not invoke the scientific method, Darwin, or Satan in YOUR next reply, punk.

You do know diamonds don't actually shine right, they just reflect light, and space is REALLY dark, actual stars are like the sun, giant hot orbs of burning plasma, a start named Stephenson 2-18 is roughly the size of Saturn's orbit, or 1.2 billion kilometers. There are different types of colors for stars as well, red, orange, yellow, white, dark brownish-red and blue, the reason it has these colors is because of what elements it is burning. Speaking of elements, through out the stars lifespan, it will burn heavier and heavier elements until it reaches either Iron (Fe) or Litium (Li) at that point, the start will balloon up to 4 times it's current size, after that, it will either shrink down into a white dwarf star, or pop, in a brilliant supernova.


Now, second thing, you can actually watch the stars to figure out that the earth is round. PRETTY CRAZY RIGHT??? it's been tested time and time again, the reason this works is because of the Coriolis Effect.


From wikipedia:
"In physics, the Coriolis force is an inertial or fictitious force[1] that acts on objects in motion within a frame of reference that rotates with respect to an inertial frame. In a reference frame with clockwise rotation, the force acts to the left of the motion of the object. In one with anticlockwise (or counterclockwise) rotation, the force acts to the right. Deflection of an object due to the Coriolis force is called the Coriolis effect. Though recognized previously by others, the mathematical expression for the Coriolis force appeared in an 1835 paper by French scientist Gaspard-Gustave de Coriolis, in connection with the theory of water wheels.[2] Early in the 20th century, the term Coriolis force began to be used in connection with meteorology." Using this, you can find out where you are on earth, if you are at the northern latitudes, and look up, the stars will be spinning COUNTER CLOCKWISE. If you go to the Equator, they will be going directly east to west. And if you go into the south. A whole new batch of stars will be visible, and they will turn CLOCKWISE.


Third. And I know you're gonna ask- "BUT WHY DO THESE DIAMONDS SPARKLE????" It's because of the earth's atmosphere reflecting and warping the light, but that is only a little bit, there's not enough to change it majorly.


So there you go. Now, go ahead and try and justify your points now.


Oh!- and, if it is a flat earth, why can't I see the stars near the south pole, better yet! What does south even mean on the model-


Science always win. The Bible may sure exist, and I am a catholic. But that does not mean that I believe in flat earth.

[Dennis Lukes]

Re: If the Earth is flat...

Ok, well, explain the stars, what are they to you. How do they work on a flat Earth model, be scientific, and don't even bring up God, or jesus, once. I dare you.

That's already been done. Giant diamonds.

I dare you to not invoke the scientific method, Darwin, or Satan in YOUR next reply, punk.

[Adam Fag]

Re: If the Earth is flat...

Maybe stars are holes in the firmament? And to suggest to not even bring up God, or Jesus on a Christian forum is a bit rich, don´t you think?

Do you mean the stars are gods?