[hell is people]

Re: Lets dissect an atheist!

I have a question that needs to be answered....

Is there anything else besides the bible that talks about god? I know there are several different bibles out there but are there any other books to be read?

[hell is people]

Re: Lets dissect an atheist!

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that's a bit harsh don't you think....

I mean did god say you can judge me and call me such things ???

What if I am saved and you assume such things... would that really make me want to be apart of this site?

that truly saddens me

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: Lets dissect an atheist!

Well, ok, I admit that this thread's title was a bit misleading. Instead of dissecting an actual atheist (which would indeed be very valuable for Creation Science), I thought it would be fun to dissect some of the most common atheist rantings and prove exactly how they are wrong. Let's start with a very old, very famous argument that atheists and Godmockers have been using for years.

The Paradox of the Stone

What is the Paradox of the Stone?

Simply put, the Paradox of the Stone is the question "Can God create a stone so heavy that He cannot lift it?". The logical "proof" is as follows:

(1) God either can or cannot create a stone that is so heavy that he cannot lift it.
(2) If God can create a stone that is so heavy that he cannot lift it, then God is not omnipotent.
(3) If God cannot create a stone that is so heavy that he cannot lift it, then God is not omnipotent.
Therefore:
(4) God is not omnipotent.
(5) If God exists then he is omnipotent.
Therefore:
(6) God does not exist.

At first glance, this argument seems quite compelling indeed! How can a being exist if it is omnipotent but cannot do everything? It is right at about this point that the raving atheists think they have won, but lets take another look at this.

What is the definition of omnipotence?



Ok, so from these definitions we can conclude that an omnipotent being has unlimited power. Now we need to make sure that God is an omnipotent being.

Is God omnipotent?

"And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth." Revelation 19:6

"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." Matthew 28:18

"But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26

Of course, there are also many other verses in the Bible that show that God is omnipotent, so I think its safe to conclude that he is.

So how can we address the paradox?

Well, if we look at the definition of omnipotence, we see that there really isn't any paradox at all! If God is an omnipotent being, and if being omnipotent means He has unlimited power, it stands to reason that it is within his (unlimited) power to do things that are logical impossibilities. This means God can create square circles, make 2+2=5, and create stones that are too heavy for Him to lift and then proceed to lift them!

So atheists, before you post your tired, old, and ridiculous arguments here, remember:

"Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding." Proverbs 3:5

Sister Lycia,

An excellent thwarting of such a maniacal and desperate atheist arguement! It's obvious that Jesus guided you in your wonderful explanation.

When are these atheists going to realize that God is beyond their understanding? Sure, they can come up with as many convoluted " what ifs" as they want to to try to disprove, not only his might but He HIMSELF.. but they will never ever succeed.

What worries me is they have the audacity to question God in the first place. Bad move! God keeps score and they will see the tally of their disobedience and disrespect come Judgement Day!


2 Thessalonians 1:6-10

6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;

7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.



Gosh, let's see how they question Him THEN!

YIC

Phebe Carlyle.

[Jesus is Lord]

Re: Lets dissect an atheist!

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that's a bit harsh don't you think....

I mean did god say you can judge me and call me such things ???

Yes, yes He did.

Leviticus 19:15
Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.

2nd Timothy 4:1-2
I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in all the Bible

What if I am saved and you assume such things... would that really make me want to be apart of this site?

that truly saddens me

We know you are not Truly Saved™ as you are not a member of Landover Baptist and therefore not a True Christian™. LBC is the only church in the world that follows God's Word (the holy KJV1611 Bible) word for word, letter for letter thus only it's members are Truly Saved™. If you wish to become Truly Saved™ contact one of the wonderful Pastors and they will be glad to help you set up a tithing plan and get you on the road to Salvation™.

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: Lets dissect an atheist!

I have a question that needs to be answered....

Is there anything else besides the bible that talks about god? I know there are several different bibles out there but are there any other books to be read?

I suppose there are many books speaking of various gods, but there is only ONE to speak THE WORD of God HIMSELF and that IS the KJV1611!

For the record, any other bibles you may have seen are nothing short of per-versions of His word.

Why do you ask? Isn't God's preserved word ENOUGH FOR YOU?

Oh I also hope you have introduced yourself in the Introduction Forum. General common courtesy goes a long way here, missy, so if you have not done so as yet, I suggest you hop to it post haste.

YIC

Phebe Carlyle.

[hell is people]

Re: Lets dissect an atheist!

cool Ill get right to it then...

I did some research on the 'best bible' as you recommended and found too many flaws to the contrary of rational thinking....

'Since no two Greek or Hebrew manuscripts are exactly the same and none contain, in a single publicly accessible place, all the words of the original New Testament and only those words, KJV only advocates do not claim to have the perfect word of God in the original languages. Yet they claim they have it in English! How so? Ultimately it is by faith. By faith they ‘believe’ that God supernaturally guided the KJV translators to pick the right Greek and Hebrew words and translate them perfectly every single time, despite often having several options from which to choose.'

you do know that the original bible wasn't english right, and that language does change over the years and with further translation...

thanks for the input missy

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Lets dissect an atheist!

cool Ill get right to it then...

I did some research on the 'best bible' as you recommended and found too many flaws to the contrary of rational thinking....

'Since no two Greek or Hebrew manuscripts are exactly the same and none contain, in a single publicly accessible place, all the words of the original New Testament and only those words, KJV only advocates do not claim to have the perfect word of God in the original languages. Yet they claim they have it in English! How so? Ultimately it is by faith. By faith they ‘believe’ that God supernaturally guided the KJV translators to pick the right Greek and Hebrew words and translate them perfectly every single time, despite often having several options from which to choose.'

you do know that the original bible wasn't english right, and that language does change over the years and with further translation...

thanks for the input missy

This will answer your question.

Matthew 12:26 says with God all things are possible, but God can't lift the stone. You kind of defeated your own argument there.

ALL things are possible with God. That means God can create things even if He had NOTHING to do with them or NEVER EXISTED. That's how powerful God is!

Its only willful ignorance when Atheists refuse to see God when He is not there!

[hell is people]

Re: Lets dissect an atheist!

This will answer your question.

ALL things are possible with God. That means God can create things even if He had NOTHING to do with them or NEVER EXISTED. That's how powerful God is!

Its only willful ignorance when Atheists refuse to see God when He is not there!

I see. Has god spoken to you though because im not athiest I just have alot of questions and that's just human nature. I will accept what sounds or seems logical based off this. Why is it that if one has questions they are shunned or looked negatively upon?

What if god commanded me to write a bible of his true words...

I think you would say I am crazy...

Why can god not be real now as a man?
jesus was a man why can he not come again.

What if a man thinks that he is godly when he is in fact the anti christ.... who would the anti-christ be?

What if all evil people wishing hate and death on people are the true end of days...

What if nuclear bombs end humanity before god can? this is highly likely as it is mainly man than causes the most deaths in this world.

How can you deny me the asking of such questions?

I say people are hell because Hitler and every other terrorist and genocide causer causes hell and this cannot be denied.

I believe in loving life and what happens now as if I only worry about what happens when I die then I will not truly live.

Im a nice person and I dont do things to denote burning in hell.

How is it that I do not have to conform in a particular religion but still love and believe in god and through that live as a good christian would?

You see it is not a religion that made me love god and be a good person but the belief in myself and that there is something bigger than me that I cannot begin to comprehend.

Thus I am sorry that I cannot agree with publishings of a book that may have been corrupted as I feel that the true god is in me and he is the one that directs me.

Thus you cannot claim I am atheist as I do believe in God but I will not believe in anything man made that tells me about him because if I connect fathom what he is or capable of how can any other man?

[Aristotle]

Re: Lets dissect an atheist!

cool Ill get right to it then...

I did some research on the 'best bible' as you recommended and found too many flaws to the contrary of rational thinking....

'Since no two Greek or Hebrew manuscripts are exactly the same and none contain, in a single publicly accessible place, all the words of the original New Testament and only those words, KJV only advocates do not claim to have the perfect word of God in the original languages. Yet they claim they have it in English! How so? Ultimately it is by faith. By faith they ‘believe’ that God supernaturally guided the KJV translators to pick the right Greek and Hebrew words and translate them perfectly every single time, despite often having several options from which to choose.'

you do know that the original bible wasn't english right, and that language does change over the years and with further translation...

thanks for the input missy

There are some early Greek and later English perversions of GOD's word, produced by those influenced by Satan but only the KJV 1611 is the inspired WORD of GOD.

[Jesus is Lord]

Re: Lets dissect an atheist!

I see. Has god spoken to you though because im not athiest I just have alot of questions and that's just human nature. I will accept what sounds or seems logical based off this. Why is it that if one has questions they are shunned or looked negatively upon?

What if god commanded me to write a bible of his true words...

I think you would say I am crazy...

Of course He (always capitalize pronouns when referring to God Almighty) speaks to us. We are His Chosen™.

Why can god not be real now as a man?
jesus was a man why can he not come again.

Because the Bible tells us He won't return as a man until the Rapture.

John 14:1-4: Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
4And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

Acts 3:20-21: And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
21Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Hebrews 9:28: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

What if a man thinks that he is godly when he is in fact the anti christ.... who would the anti-christ be?

What if all evil people wishing hate and death on people are the true end of days...

Matthew 24:4-5: And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Matthew 24:23-24: Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

What if nuclear bombs end humanity before god can? this is highly likely as it is mainly man than causes the most deaths in this world.

Do you truly believe that the Almighty Creator will let that happen before it is time? He knows all and sees all.

Im a nice person and I dont do things to denote burning in hell.

Being a nice person is not enough. Many "nice" people get thrown to the lake of fire every day.

John 14:6: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Mark 8:36-37: For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? 37Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

[hell is people]

Re: Lets dissect an atheist!

There are some early Greek and later English perversions of GOD's word, produced by those influenced by Satan but only the KJV 1611 is the inspired WORD of GOD.

Yes your stupidity is indeed overwhelming if you can claim that the first Bible ever created directed by God is in fact false and made by the devil.....

Are you truly blinded by logic and were you fed only the bible as a child.

Im afraid to see how twisted your off spring are.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Lets dissect an atheist!

Yes your stupidity is indeed overwhelming if you can claim that the first Bible ever created directed by God is in fact false and made by the devil.....

Are you truly blinded by logic and were you fed only the bible as a child.

Im afraid to see how twisted your off spring are.

What is the first Bible ever created? So help me, if you say the Latin Vulgate, I'm going to rip your head off.

[PraiseNewton]

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you know what i dont get? the hatred of gays. i mean god made them that way so we should love them just as we love the non-gay community.

same goes for muslims. maybe god needed to reintroduce his message of peace and holiness to the earth so he used mohammed. i mean jews dont believe that jesus was the savior but they arnt hating on us for it. You christians have gone too far i think. youve overstepped your boundries and are doing more harm to your souls with your internalized hatred of peace-loving peoples then those who accept those very same people for who they are. we are all human. we are all one of the same and arguing over the details of how to lead a good and moral life only drives us to pointless conflicts. i weep for you and for your ignorance.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Lets dissect an atheist!

you know what i dont get? the hatred of gays. i mean god made them that way so we should love them just as we love the non-gay community.

same goes for muslims. maybe god needed to reintroduce his message of peace and holiness to the earth so he used mohammed. i mean jews dont believe that jesus was the savior but they arnt hating on us for it. You christians have gone too far i think. youve overstepped your boundries and are doing more harm to your souls with your internalized hatred of peace-loving peoples then those who accept those very same people for who they are. we are all human. we are all one of the same and arguing over the details of how to lead a good and moral life only drives us to pointless conflicts. i weep for you and for your ignorance.

And for the umpteenth millionth time, care to point out where we are scripturally incorrect? As for the muzzies, you should look into their beliefs as well rather than just guessing it's all fuzzy bunny hippie love.

[PraiseNewton]

Re: Lets dissect an atheist!

And for the umpteenth millionth time, care to point out where we are scripturally incorrect? As for the muzzies, you should look into their beliefs as well rather than just guessing it's all fuzzy bunny hippie love.

im not talking about reading the bible for a literal meaning because if we do that then wearing clothes of blended material and cutting your hair would be unthinkable for any catholic (Leviticus 19:19-27). What im talking about is reading for the true message and not getting caught up on the details. At the end of the day religion's petty rules and explanations of nature are out dated but what isnt out dated is the message that jesus and buddah and Mohammed and moses were all preaching: treat others as you would like to be treated.